Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01

TheValeyard · 18-01-2021 06:55PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

So what happens now ?
Will we have thousands of more people on the move on Thursday?

Yes. And if we all do our part, we might just finally push the health service over the edge!

Icyseanfitz · 18-01-2021 06:55PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The big issue will be hospital and ICU capacity. Because our numbers got so high, hospitals will be under severe pressure for some weeks. It will be too risky to re-open schools until mid to late February.

Norma will have schools open start of February, this push for special schools this week is the opening move for it.

wirelessdude01 · 18-01-2021 06:56PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

Oh not with teachers no, definitely not but I reckon it's something they can parrot to the public. "Teachers have received extensive training on revised Covid safety measures..." Yadda yadda. Box ticked.

They can tick the box that they covered the public health guidance that the INTO demanded.

wirelessdude01 · 18-01-2021 06:57PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

I can't help thinking of the poor Voice for Teacher admins wading through all the post requests that must've hit them after that shítshow of a webinar.

Two of them would have been at the CEC meeting as well.

beggars_bush · 18-01-2021 07:02PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

They can tick the box that they covered the public health guidance that the INTO demanded.

Department of Education are experts at box ticking

Murple · 18-01-2021 07:05PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0118/1190529-special-schools/

wirelessdude01 · 18-01-2021 07:11PM

INTO CEC having second emergency session today. Called back after the NPHET webinar.

mirrorwall14 · 18-01-2021 07:13PM

Is this tweet accurate? https://twitter.com/dunne45/status/1351212081169780739?s=24

Because if so is that not exactly the opposite of what we are about to do?

combat14 · 18-01-2021 07:13PM

best of luck to everyone going back in to school risking their very lives on thursday

hopefully students will all be wearing masks and safely distancing at all times - this is too serious to get sick from:

Almost 30% of Covid patients in England readmitted to hospital after discharge – study

Readmission rate for Covid patients 3.5 times greater, and death rate seven times higher, than for other hospital patients

Nearly a third of people who were discharged from hospitals in England after being treated for Covid-19 were readmitted within five months – and almost one in eight died, a study suggests.

The research, which is still to be peer-reviewed, also found a higher risk of problems developing in a range of organs after hospital discharge in those younger than 70 and ethnic minority individuals

“There’s been so much talk about all these people dying from Covid … but death is not the only outcome that matters,” said Dr Charlotte Summers, a lecturer in intensive care medicine at the University of Cambridge who was not involved in this study.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jan/18/almost-30-of-covid-patients-in-england-re-admitted-to-hospital-after-discharge-study

redmgar · 18-01-2021 07:14PM

Leaving aside teachers for the moment, every worker in country has a vested interest on the lockdown situation.
Public sector workers are happy to continue as it is because they are working from home and have job security.
Certain private sector employees are either unemployed or employments are uncertain so they want everything open.
And they want kids back at school to improve their education and get rid of them from under their feet.
Real concern for the health service is not the actual concern for either group.

Obviously this does not apply for everyone, but a large section.

hesaidshesaid · 18-01-2021 07:15PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Is this tweet accurate? https://twitter.com/dunne45/status/1351212081169780739?s=24

Because if so is that not exactly the opposite of what we are about to do?

I'm pretty sure that was in relation to full school re-opening, not the partial re-opening on Thursday.

combat14 · 18-01-2021 07:16PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Is this tweet accurate? https://twitter.com/dunne45/status/1351212081169780739?s=24

Because if so is that not exactly the opposite of what we are about to do?

he just said now was not the (safe) time to open schools.... ??

hesaidshesaid · 18-01-2021 07:17PM

combat14 wrote: »

he just said now was not the (safe) time to open schools.... ??

It's cut off, you don't hear his full point. I'm open to correction but that's what I got from it.

BonsaiKitten · 18-01-2021 07:38PM

Just looked back at the YouTube webinar for the craic.

77 likes, 1,000+ dislikes.

If that doesn't show the mood of the INTO members at present then I don't know what does. Hope John Boyle is drowning in a sea of emails.

km79 · 18-01-2021 07:38PM

I think it’s fairly obvious what NPHET think
If they just come right out and say it then Norma can save face and blame them
http://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1351229270304186375

http://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1351229272095150082

wirelessdude01 · 18-01-2021 07:39PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

Just looked back at the YouTube webinar for the craic.

77 likes, 1,000+ dislikes.

If that doesn't show the mood of the INTO members at present then I don't know what does. Hope John Boyle is drowning in a sea of emails.

You really should have a scan of the comments on the youtube link. OHH MY DEAR GOD.

mirrorwall14 · 18-01-2021 07:39PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You really should have a scan of the comments on the youtube link. OHH MY DEAR GOD.

Anyone got the link?

hesaidshesaid · 18-01-2021 07:40PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You really should have a scan of the comments on the youtube link. OHH MY DEAR GOD.

They were flying in so fast it was impossible to keep up with them. But the message was crystal clear. People do not feel safe.

ETA: Nor do they think the kids in their care will be safe.

BonsaiKitten · 18-01-2021 07:41PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You really should have a scan of the comments on the youtube link. OHH MY DEAR GOD.

There may or may not be a few comments on there from me! Chat was absolutely flying during the webinar.

BonsaiKitten · 18-01-2021 07:41PM

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Anyone got the link?

https://youtu.be/q-hRntFTjZ0

hesaidshesaid · 18-01-2021 07:46PM

Any update on the second CDC meeting?

Natterjack from Kerry · 18-01-2021 07:50PM

hesaidshesaid wrote: »

They were flying in so fast it was impossible to keep up with them. But the message was crystal clear. People do not feel safe.

ETA: Nor do they think the kids in their care will be safe.

Both opinions are ones they are not capable of forming. Their training, expertise, and experience does not lie in the realm of disease transmission risk assessment.

18-01-2021 07:50PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

https://youtu.be/q-hRntFTjZ0

comments disabled for me...

ETA oops my bad...its on the right hand side in the bog chat box!

Stateofyou · 18-01-2021 07:51PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

https://youtu.be/q-hRntFTjZ0

How do you see the comments? Says turned off. Running scared obviously.

wirelessdude01 · 18-01-2021 07:52PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

How do you see the comments? Says turned off. Running scared obviously.

They show up for me. Let it run or click forward a little and they should show up.

Birdy · 18-01-2021 07:53PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

How do you see the comments? Says turned off. Running scared obviously.

Go to Live chat.

BonsaiKitten · 18-01-2021 07:53PM

Stateofyou wrote: »

How do you see the comments? Says turned off. Running scared obviously.

Next to the like/dislike buttons you should see a Live Chat option. This should open the live chat replay for you. Skip forward a little bit to see the fury in full force :pac:

But yes, they're running scared imo. Don't think this backlash was expected.

JP100 · 18-01-2021 07:54PM

It's make or break time for the INTO.

Stateofyou · 18-01-2021 07:56PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

They show up for me. Let it run or click forward a little and they should show up.

Ah yes, here they come...

Comments so far about the disgraceful organising of people who registered not allowed on due to capacity.

downthemiddle · 18-01-2021 07:57PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

We have 7 children in our mainstream school who would meet the criteria for a return on Thursday. Principal has rang the parents of all 7 and 6 have confirmed they definitely won't be sending their kid in. The remaining one won't either when they realise that the other 6 aren't.

Now here is the issue. Principal is having a bit of a powerplay and is still insisting that the full SET team and all SNA's are to present to the school building for work on Thursday unless the whole thing is shelved. 99% sure they will have ZERO children in the building. Absolutely stupid attitude. Sure fire way to continue eroding staff morale.

Your principal is obviously extremely compliant and following the instruction in the letter rigidly. Some teachers, unfortunately, are unable to make an independent decision. The DES decision already divides staffs and school communities. A principal doubling down exacerbates the situation.

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Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) Mod warning in OP 22/01