Wifi mesh systems

Clareman · 16-01-2021 10:13PM

Gooey Looey wrote: »

You don't have double NAT! Or you are connecting these devices to your main router

"What is Double NAT? | Answer | NETGEAR Support" https://kb.netgear.com/30186/What-is-Double-NAT

Most devices are on the wifi, some are wired but not many. I've the ISP router as a passthrough which is removing the double NAT issue I think.

Gooey Looey · 16-01-2021 10:14PM

Clareman wrote: »

Most devices are on the wifi, some are wired but not many. I've the ISP router as a passthrough which is removing the double NAT issue I think.

You don't have double NAT, you have bridged your ISP router!

I have the same here.

FTTH doesn't use a modem, just a router, so you can replace the router with another but this router must support vlan tagging on the wan which isn't possible on a Google WiFi. This is the point that was being made

Mgit · 16-01-2021 10:18PM

I have linksys velop and it had double nat by default or at least uses a different subnet for the wireless clients which is a disaster as ethernet smart tvs etc are not accessible by WiFi clients.

I changed mine to ap mode works OK after, unless you're techie I'd stay away from the velop, they're good when setup but can be tricky to get going right.

I have the dual mode velop and both nodes on ethernet, get 300 to 400mbps on 5ghz WiFi.

Tried bt whole home and it was a disaster, screen mirroring from mobiles kept dropping, returned to argos for refund.

Gooey Looey · 16-01-2021 10:43PM

Mgit wrote: »

I have linksys velop and it had double nat by default or at least uses a different subnet for the wireless clients which is a disaster as ethernet smart tvs etc are not accessible by WiFi clients.

I changed mine to ap mode works OK after, unless you're techie I'd stay away from the velop, they're good when setup but can be tricky to get going right.

If they were both connected to the Velop that's most likely a security setting called client isolation or AP isolation there's little need for it on a home network
"Linksys Official Support - Getting to know the AP Isolation function" https://www.linksys.com/gb/support-article?articleNum=135098

The thing about running a mesh system in AP mode is you are missing out on most of the router features you've paid for

Daveq · 16-01-2021 10:54PM

54and56 wrote: »

So I got and installed the 2 unit TaoTronics AC300 Tri-Band Mesh WiFi system yesterday.

Any thoughts / suggestions?

Is it possible I've somehow ended up with a double NAT scenario or something similar which is creating a delay in traffic?

I have the same system with a Virgin Media Hub 3.0. WiFi disabled on VM Hub, no fixed IPs
All settings on TT as default. UPNP enabled etc..
I have the IOT 2.4 disabled and just connected my IOT devices to the standard 2.4ghz band that it uses. It should provide two 5ghz bands and a 2.4ghz on the same SSID.
And I have 5ghz on 80m instead of Auto.
I have a NAS drive connected via ethernet to the VM Hub instead of the TT router and can still access it using its IP so I think that means VM Hub is providing IP addresses.

In the app click on the globe on the home page. See what IP address for the gateway is. Mine is showing as 192.168.0.1 which is my VM Hub.

Gerry T · 17-01-2021 03:26PM

Looking for a little help, I have the Huawei Q2, 6 units in total around the house. Connected to a Virgin Hub 3. I have the Virgin wifi disabled on 2.4 and 5GHz.
I'm getting 240 Mbps which I'm happy with but after about a week it drops to 20 Mbps. If I switch off both the main Huawei and Virgin router the speed goes back up to 240.
Reading here I see people suggesting there can be a conflict with two routers and the Virgin one should be put in bridge mode, thinking that might be an issue. I've connected to the Virgin Hub but I can't see anywhere in the settings to do this. Is switching off the wifi the same as bridge mode or are there other settings that might need changing.

degsie · 17-01-2021 05:09PM

Gerry T wrote: »

Looking for a little help, I have the Huawei Q2, 6 units in total around the house. Connected to a Virgin Hub 3. I have the Virgin wifi disabled on 2.4 and 5GHz.
I'm getting 240 Mbps which I'm happy with but after about a week it drops to 20 Mbps. If I switch off both the main Huawei and Virgin router the speed goes back up to 240.
Reading here I see people suggesting there can be a conflict with two routers and the Virgin one should be put in bridge mode, thinking that might be an issue. I've connected to the Virgin Hub but I can't see anywhere in the settings to do this. Is switching off the wifi the same as bridge mode or are there other settings that might need changing.

Generally you have to options:
1) Bridge your ISP's router so that it is in 'modem only' mode and set your 'base' mesh unit to router mode, or
b) Set your 'base' mesh unit to access point mode and connect to one of the ISP's router's lan ports
In either case turn off the ISP's router wifi.

ratracer · 17-01-2021 05:14PM

Gerry T wrote: »

Looking for a little help, I have the Huawei Q2, 6 units in total around the house. Connected to a Virgin Hub 3. I have the Virgin wifi disabled on 2.4 and 5GHz.
I'm getting 240 Mbps which I'm happy with but after about a week it drops to 20 Mbps. If I switch off both the main Huawei and Virgin router the speed goes back up to 240.
Reading here I see people suggesting there can be a conflict with two routers and the Virgin one should be put in bridge mode, thinking that might be an issue. I've connected to the Virgin Hub but I can't see anywhere in the settings to do this. Is switching off the wifi the same as bridge mode or are there other settings that might need changing.

If you follow the bargain alerts thread for the Q2, I’ve posted about my experience with it in their. I had similar trouble with mine, would keep needing to be reset. I sent the first one back for inspection, I was told it had a fault ( but not told what the fault was), and a new one would be sent out. The new ones did the exact same thing after a week or so. I sent them back, they were also judged to be faulty. I eventually received my money back.

I would suggest that if there is an issue with yours, you should initiate a repair/ refund ASAP, if you leave if too long, you will be left with a whole pile of useless tech.

RangeR · 17-01-2021 05:16PM

degsie wrote: »

Generally you have to options:
1) Bridge your ISP's router so that it is in 'modem only' mode and set your 'base' mesh unit to router mode, or
b) Set your 'base' mesh unit to access point mode and connect to one of the ISP's router's lan ports

Generally these are your two options. I'd go with option 1. Bridge your ISP router.

Option 3 is to get around double natting, which is what I think you have [2 routers in router mode]. I do this. I have actually 3 routers. VM router but in bridge mode. Google WIFI as the main internal router. and an edge router as a VPN server routing all outbound traffic from all internal devices through the VPN. But it took a while to get right. It's not for the faint hearted.

Double Natting is not bad, once you know it's there and build rules around it. It just complicates things.

Gerry T · 17-01-2021 05:58PM

degsie wrote:

Generally you have to options: 1) Bridge your ISP's router so that it is in 'modem only' mode and set your 'base' mesh unit to router mode, or b) Set your 'base' mesh unit to access point mode and connect to one of the ISP's router's lan ports In either case turn off the ISP's router wifi.

Thks, I was trying to bridge the virgin router but it doesn't seem to have the option Ill check AP mode on the Q2 when home

Gerry T · 17-01-2021 06:00PM

ratracer wrote:

I would suggest that if there is an issue with yours, you should initiate a repair/ refund ASAP, if you leave if too long, you will be left with a whole pile of useless tech.

Agh crap, bought in the UK last yr from BOX, great price but not sure how that will work with brexit & shipping. Will try the AP mode suggested and check out that thread

Gerry T · 17-01-2021 06:03PM

RangeR wrote:

Double Natting is not bad, once you know it's there and build rules around it. It just complicates things.

Im not that strong on IT, i can follow instructions but managing rules is out of my knowledge.
I'll see how AP goes.
Pity i can't find how to set the virgin hub3 into bridge. Think thst is best as it leaves the q2 features. But is there other settings that can be switched that gives the same rest as bridging a router

54and56 · 17-01-2021 07:37PM

Daveq wrote: »

I have the same system with a Virgin Media Hub 3.0. WiFi disabled on VM Hub, no fixed IPs
All settings on TT as default. UPNP enabled etc..
I have the IOT 2.4 disabled and just connected my IOT devices to the standard 2.4ghz band that it uses. It should provide two 5ghz bands and a 2.4ghz on the same SSID.
And I have 5ghz on 80m instead of Auto.
I have a NAS drive connected via ethernet to the VM Hub instead of the TT router and can still access it using its IP so I think that means VM Hub is providing IP addresses.

In the app click on the globe on the home page. See what IP address for the gateway is. Mine is showing as 192.168.0.1 which is my VM Hub.

Thanks Daveq, that's very helpful.

When I click on the globe the IP address is the Virgin static IP address and the gateway address is one less ie the same as the IP address but the last digit is one lower than the IP address which I don't think is one of the static IP addresses I have from Virgin.

Might call Virgin tomorrow and figure out how to access their router/modem so I understand and can fully control the setup.

So far very happy with the TT, everything is working well and the admin app is very easy to use.

Cyrus · 17-01-2021 08:06PM

Gerry T wrote: »

Im not that strong on IT, i can follow instructions but managing rules is out of my knowledge.
I'll see how AP goes.
Pity i can't find how to set the virgin hub3 into bridge. Think thst is best as it leaves the q2 features. But is there other settings that can be switched that gives the same rest as bridging a router

Seems pretty easy called modem mode in the settings

https://www.virginmedia.com/help/virgin-media-hub-modem-mode#hub3orhub4

Cheshire Cat · 17-01-2021 08:39PM

Cyrus wrote: »

Seems pretty easy called modem mode in the settings

https://www.virginmedia.com/help/virgin-media-hub-modem-mode#hub3orhub4

That's the UK website. Unfortunately not as easy for Irish customers.

Damien360 · 17-01-2021 09:03PM

Cheshire Cat wrote: »

That's the UK website. Unfortunately not as easy for Irish customers.

I have a VM hub 3 and it is just that easy. Log in with 192.168.0.1, access menu and change to modem mode. Access IP changes on reboot to 192.168.100.1. You can now use your own router.

Gerry T · 17-01-2021 11:23PM

Cyrus wrote:

Seems pretty easy called modem mode in the settings

I tried connecting with both my ph and laptop and that option is not on the menu !
I've gone through all the menu options and didnt see any modem mode or bridge mode option.

Gerry T · 17-01-2021 11:29PM

Damien360 wrote:

I have a VM hub 3 and it is just that easy. Log in with 192.168.0.1, access menu and change to modem mode. Access IP changes on reboot to 192.168.100.1. You can now use your own router.

When i log on the menu has
Home
Connected devices
Advanced settings
Admin

Connected devices just shows whats plugged into esch port
Admin allows password change, reboot, remote access and info
Advanced has more menues
Wireless
Security
DHCP
UPhP
Tools
Cant see in any of them the modem or bridge option.

Bluefoam · 17-01-2021 11:46PM

Gerry T wrote: »

When i log on the menu has
Home
Connected devices
Advanced settings
Admin

Connected devices just shows whats plugged into esch port
Admin allows password change, reboot, remote access and info
Advanced has more menues
Wireless
Security
DHCP
UPhP
Tools
Cant see in any of them the modem or bridge option.

I'm guessing 'wireless'... Why don't you click on the menu options to find out what they are?

RangeR · 18-01-2021 12:11AM

Cyrus wrote: »

Seems pretty easy called modem mode in the settings

https://www.virginmedia.com/help/virgin-media-hub-modem-mode#hub3orhub4

This is all I did to my Hub. It was was clear as day in the menu. Maybe VM have hidden it now?

RangeR · 18-01-2021 12:14AM

54and56 wrote: »

Might call Virgin tomorrow and figure out how to access their router/modem so I understand and can fully control the setup.

Open a command prompt by tapping the Windows key once [Windows 10 assumed] and type CMD then press enter.

You should see a black window with white text.

Type ipconfig then press enter again.

You will see rows of text and numbers. You are looking for Default Gateway. That's the IP address of your VM router. Just type that number [usually 192.168.0.1] into your browser to login. login detail on the router sticker.

dam099 · 18-01-2021 01:52AM

Gerry T wrote: »

When i log on the menu has
Home
Connected devices
Advanced settings
Admin

Connected devices just shows whats plugged into esch port
Admin allows password change, reboot, remote access and info
Advanced has more menues
Wireless
Security
DHCP
UPhP
Tools
Cant see in any of them the modem or bridge option.

By default Virgin usually have customers on a hybrid IP4/IP6 system DS-Lite. You need to ring them and ask them to switch you to IP4, modem mode should be available once they do that (may need a reboot).

grogi · 18-01-2021 03:30AM

Are we yet beyond the "IPv6 crap, IPv4 good" nonsense?

I'm running my home automation services exclusively over IPv6, which allows Google Assistant cloud to reach the servers without any trickery.

Gerry T · 18-01-2021 07:45AM

Bluefoam wrote:

I'm guessing 'wireless'... Why don't you click on the menu options to find out what they are?

I have.

Gerry T · 18-01-2021 07:47AM

dam099 wrote:

By default Virgin usually have customers on a hybrid IP4/IP6 system DS-Lite. You need to ring them and ask them to switch you to IP4, modem mode should be available once they do that (may need a reboot).

Thanks, I'll give them a call today

dam099 · 18-01-2021 11:03AM

grogi wrote: »

Are we yet beyond the "IPv6 crap, IPv4 good" nonsense?

I'm running my home automation services exclusively over IPv6, which allows Google Assistant cloud to reach the servers without any trickery.

Seems not, since some of the ISP's still don't support fully.

For Virgin if you want to use Modem mode then they seem to only allow it over IP4.

I'm on Vodafone now and they are only giving out an IP4 address on my router.

54and56 · 18-01-2021 11:53AM

RangeR wrote: »

Open a command prompt by tapping the Windows key once [Windows 10 assumed] and type CMD then press enter.

You should see a black window with white text.

Type ipconfig then press enter again.

You will see rows of text and numbers. You are looking for Default Gateway. That's the IP address of your VM router. Just type that number [usually 192.168.0.1] into your browser to login. login detail on the router sticker.

Thanks RangeR,

Tried that but no joy I'm afraid. No matter which of the 192.168..... IP addresses I type into Chrome all I get is "This site can’t be reached" messages.

54and56 · 18-01-2021 12:49PM

On a bit of a whim I entered the 89.101.xxx.xx Gateway address the TT app shows in the "Globe" system status and I think it's the address of the Virgin modem as this is what I get. Now if only I knew the login and password

Bluefoam · 18-01-2021 01:04PM

54and56 wrote: »

On a bit of a whim I entered the 89.101.xxx.xx Gateway address the TT app shows in the "Globe" system status and I think it's the address of the Virgin modem as this is what I get. Now if only I knew the login and password

Try the login information provided for the wifi

54and56 · 18-01-2021 02:08PM

Bluefoam wrote: »

Try the login information provided for the wifi

The TT router admin app doesn't use a password, instead it uses a form of 2 factor authentication. You enter your email address as the username and then hit a "send code" button which emails a 6 digit code that you have 5 minutes to enter in the app to gain access.

I tried entering the code into the Chrome login/password option but no joy.

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