Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Depends. Were they tested because the had symptoms?

Not sure tbh. ‘‘Twas only my mate was telling me about it. They definitely did have symptoms but whether that’s why they were tested I don’t know. There’s been a few versions of how they got it before it came out they were at a house party.

igCorcaigh wrote: »

See that jump in cases and swabs around Jan 13?
Would this be due to people going back to work on Jan 4, nine days earlier?

The decline since that time seems to be slower than that of the previous week.

I wouldn't read that much into 1 day of data. There was significantly less testing on the 11th and 12th, which makes the jump look bigger.

Out driving earlier I was struck by two separate big groups hanging around outside coffee shops drinking coffee and socialising. All ages really from 10-70.

Drumpot wrote: »

Having more then one parameter to manage doesn’t absolve the government of its responsibility for ramifications of the decisions they made/make.

The message the government sent to the people particularly by the decision to lower restrictions (and hint at January lockdown) in the way they did has led us to where we are now. With leaky Leo pandering to certain crowds, he’s doing a lot of damage for his own benefit.

The shock of Ireland’s numbers around the world as our rise in cases went off the charts was the result of how our government managed to balance things in December. Could we actually of managed December any worse?

Agree totally.
This" we will have our Christmas ,we deserve it , then we will lock down again and sure be grand " message was peddled by the government.
With that sort of leadership many did as instructed, and we now know it isn't grand at all .

Stheno wrote: »

That wasn't really the message in fairness

There was advice for people not to fly into the country which was ignored by 150k people
There was advice to self isolate if you did travel

And there was advice to limit your contacts prior to visiting family for Christmas as well

Not for me but certainly for many who hear what they want to hear

What was the point of “advice” to people in the U.K.?
They weren’t sitting around watching RTE or permanently tuned to Newstalk.

Most of them likely paid no heed to a message that was mumbled into a debate in a bubble.

I was just posting earlier that people I’m encountering on Zoom meetings etc aren’t even sure what Level 5 is. They weren’t aware there’s a stay at home mandate.

One person seemed to think we were in Tier 3 “or something”.

And someone else thought it was a 2km limit, but that you could meet people outdoors.

If that’s how poorly understood messaging is here, they might as well have been posting on Boards and hoping that the message was heard loud and clear in England.

If they didn’t want people to travel, they should have banned entry. Everything else is pointless waffle and I’m sick listening to it at this stage.

Datacore wrote: »

What was the point of “advice” to people in the U.K.?
They weren’t sitting around watching RTE or permanently tuned to Newstalk.

Most of them likely paid no heed to a message that was mumbled into a debate in a bubble.

I was just posting earlier that people I’m encountering on Zoom meetings etc aren’t even sure what Level 5 is. They weren’t aware there’s a stay at home mandate.

One person seemed to think we were in Tier 3 “or something”.

And someone else thought it was a 2km limit, but that you could meet people outdoors.

If that’s how poorly understood messaging is here, they might as well have been posting on Boards and hoping that the message was heard loud and clear in England.

If they didn’t want people to travel, they should have banned entry. Everything else is pointless waffle and I’m sick listening to it at this stage.

They stoped flights from uk and people rebooked to fly in through belfast.

Eod100 wrote: »

Just looking at the HSE daily operations report, I'm probably missing something very obvious but if ICU surge capacity for adult beds is 313 and there's 300 adult beds occupied (184 with covid) , how is there 22 beds available?

I'm sure the figures are probably fluid, but today Reid seemed to say there was 28 beds available but the number of people in ICU had increased to 191 as of this morning.

Just don't know how that's calculated if it exceeds surge capacity unless they've counting a few extra beds they can use if the 313 figure is reached (but hopefully it won't be).

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-15-january-2021.pdf

Exactly that.
Extra surge capacity is using theatre recovery areas for example , as extra ICU beds just while needed .
These would not be permanently available obviously,so it is not included as ICU beds open and staffed .

hmmm wrote: »

We need to stop targeting outdoor activities for closure just because they are visible - what's happening inside houses is far more dangerous. We are in a lockdown now which is going to last months, and people should be allowed find things to do outside without all the public shaming. Yes there is a small chance of transmission, but even in extreme cases (e.g. large-scale outdoor demonstrations with people shouting) there has been little evidence of widescale transmission as a consequence.

I agree, outside looks to be far safer. 20 x or something I've seen quoted, but transmission still does still occur - and especially when there is no social distancing or masks being used.

The virus is rampant at the moment and there is a lot of uncertainty about the new variant, formite trasmission, thriving in cold temperatures, and frightening anecdotes of people catching it during very brief encounters.

With all that in mind, it would be better if we all err on the side of caution, follow nephts advice, and keep to ourselves for the time being, at least for the next month or so.

Families standing around together in the sea air... that really burns me up emotionally.

According to rickety theory of causality #5167 they could be responsible for the occupation of as many as 3.7 ICU beds.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Exactly that.
Extra surge capacity is using theatre recovery areas for example , as extra ICU beds just while needed .
These would not be permanently available obviously,so it is not included as ICU beds open and staffed .

I was thinking that, they might not list certain types of beds as "ICU"

small print *Due to the dynamic nature of reporting, available beds may differ
depending on capacity and reserved status at individual sites for critical
care beds. Furthermore, some of the available beds may be specialist
beds, not available for admission of general ICU patients.

poppers wrote: »

They stoped flights from uk and people rebooked to fly in through belfast.

This.

Goes to show the government can try but the morons will always find a way to bend the rules.