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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #6002
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    How can there be virus in the ice cream? Are they suggesting it was in whey powder from Ukraine? (Surely not the NZ milk powder as NZ have almost zero covid). This is a weird story. How could it survive pre production export/import and storage of ingredients. I'm having a brain fart moment..

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0116/1190173-coronavirus-ice-cream/


  • #6003
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Maybe Govt. could re-issue this press release, simply changing the year. It might work this time.

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  • #6004
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    A little irresponsible though for Henry to come out with those comments when in reality he doesn't really know. Nobody really knows, he can have an opinion, we all can but doesn't mean its fact. With the vast vast majority of people vaccinated over the summer there'll be little appetite for restrictions, thats just the reality of it.

    There was little appetite for restrictions before Christmas and look where that got us. What people have desires for shouldn't be what we use to determine our approach. There's a long way to go before vaccination will have an impact. We can bury our heads in the sand again or we can proactively accept it and open up to the extent that the data tells us it's safe.


  • #6005
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    How can there be virus in the ice cream? Are they suggesting it was in whey powder from Ukraine? (Surely not the NZ milk powder as NZ have almost zero covid). This is a weird story. How could it survive pre production export/import and storage of ingredients. I'm having a brain fart moment..

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0116/1190173-coronavirus-ice-cream/

    Not beyond the realms of possibility, given what happened in the meat plants. An ice cream plant will have people working on a chilled factory with production lines and product flying past.

    If someone is breathing out coronavirus, I guess it could be on or in the product and frozen, it might be preserved and detectable.

    It might also be non viable though as something that might infect you.

    If that were the case it would be hugely problematic for the entire food sector.

    I would be more concerned about the ice cream plant itself rather than the whey, which would be very processed and dried.


  • #6006
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Just curious to know what is people’s take on children mingling outside in the current status. What about playing in a neighbours back garden v being out the front?

    I would of interpreted it that they do not want them playing together but this effectively means people having to lockup kids. Once a child is not in a person line of sight you can’t expect them to follow such rigid guidelines (ignore your friends etc). So I am just wondering how are parents managing this?


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  • #6007
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Australia looking after citizens tennis players again.
    The sight of some of the world's biggest tennis stars touching down for the forthcoming Australian Open has frustrated many Australians unable to return home because of the pandemic.

    There are roughly 37,000 Australians waiting to return, ABC News reports.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-55683035


  • #6008
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Of all the current restrictions, I think the 5km rule would be the one most would like to have relaxed first.


  • #6009
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    Probably a bad idea to have them mingling, particularly at the peak of this outbreak. The level of it in the community is way too high to take chances.


  • #6010
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    prunudo wrote: »
    Of all the current restrictions, I think the 5km rule would be the one most would like to have relaxed first.
    True here anyway


  • #6011
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,449 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Turtwig wrote: »
    There was little appetite for restrictions before Christmas and look where that got us. What people have desires for shouldn't be what we use to determine our approach. There's a long way to go before vaccination will have an impact. We can bury our heads in the sand again or we can proactively accept it and open up to the extent that the data tells us it's safe.

    Its non comparable though between say Christmas when nobody was vaccinated to say May, June or July this year when there'll be large numbers vaccinated.

    Two completely different situations at the specific periods in time I feel.

    In reality nobody knows what the situation at the specific moment in time months down the road will be, having the critical mass of vulnerable vaccinated changes things.


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  • #6012
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,384 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    The state just take over the Beacon Hospital and all the others while they're at it. End this private public nonsense.


  • #6013
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Datacore wrote: »
    Not beyond the realms of possibility, given what happened in the meat plants. An ice cream plant will have people working on a chilled factory with production lines and product flying past.

    If someone is breathing out coronavirus, I guess it could be on or in the product and frozen, it might be preserved and detectable.

    It might also be non viable though as something that might infect you.

    The frozen part I get, viruses can survive in permafrost. It's the ingredients coming from elsewhere and presumably shipped, stored, etc..they seem to be trying to say that was where the virus got into the ice cream. That doesn't make sense. Because of time delay etc.
    And if it's really in the ice cream even from the breathing out...then just yikes generally.
    Anyway bit baffled. :o They do seem to come up with odd stories for how virus re-emerges in China. Shrimp too?


  • #6014
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Marty Bird wrote: »
    Exactly if all the high risk groups are done which its the most serious too why have restrictions on those that they have said from the beginning is only a mild dose and you won’t be in danger from it.

    Except they never said this. You made this interpretation yourself. Population level risk and individual risk are two who very different things. Look at how tiny our cases numbers have been for our systems to become crippled. Even if the proportion of people requiring healthcare drops it's not beyond possibility that there is still a very finite number of infections to so called lower risk groups that the health system can absorb. It would allow us have higher daily case numbers than now. With exponential growth that would at most buy us a few weeks. Little more.


  • #6015
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Just looking at the HSE daily operations report, I'm probably missing something very obvious but if ICU surge capacity for adult beds is 313 and there's 300 adult beds occupied (184 with covid) , how is there 22 beds available?

    I'm sure the figures are probably fluid, but today Reid seemed to say there was 28 beds available but the number of people in ICU had increased to 191 as of this morning.

    Just don't know how that's calculated if it exceeds surge capacity unless they've counting a few extra beds they can use if the 313 figure is reached (but hopefully it won't be).

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-15-january-2021.pdf


  • #6016
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The state just take over the Beacon Hospital and all the others while they're at it. End this private public nonsense.

    FG nationalise a business belonging to Dennis O’Brien? Surely you are not that naive?


  • #6017
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    Datacore wrote: »
    If that were the case it would be hugely problematic for the entire food sector.

    Why? We’ve all continued eating through the pandemic without much issue. We know the virus is spread through face to face contact like many other illnesses. No need to get into hysterics about ice cream covid


  • #6018
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Eivor wrote: »
    Why? We’ve all continued eating through the pandemic without much issue. We know the virus is spread through face to face contact like many other illnesses. No need to get into hysterics about ice cream covid

    Yeah sorry now I am so unhysterical as to be horizontal on the couch here :pac: it is just passing interest in an odd story.


  • #6019
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    The frozen part I get, viruses can survive in permafrost. It's the ingredients coming from elsewhere and presumably shipped, stored, etc..they seem to be trying to say that was where the virus got into the ice cream. That doesn't make sense. Because of time delay etc.
    And if it's really in the ice cream even from the breathing out...then just yikes generally.
    Anyway bit baffled. :o They do seem to come up with odd stories for how virus re-emerges in China. Shrimp too?

    I wonder if the testing is picking up non viable virus fragments or perhaps could be detecting an otherwise undetected outbreak in a local plant?

    I’m never entirely sure about Chinese data. It’s a country that’s far too ready to produce facts that suit politics.


  • #6020
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Yeah sorry now I am so unhysterical as to be horizontal on the couch here :pac: it is just passing interest in an odd story.

    It’s interesting I agree but not “problematic for the entire food sector” like the other guy said


  • #6021
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Its non comparable though between say Christmas when nobody was vaccinated to say May, June or July this year when there'll be large numbers vaccinated.

    Two completely different situations at the specific periods in time I feel.

    In reality nobody knows what the situation at the specific moment in time months down the road will be, having the critical mass of vulnerable vaccinated changes things.

    You feel.

    Let's see what the case numbers and hospitalisation rates are doing. Having this expectation early is dangerous. We all want it to be the case. Doesn't mean it will be. Put it simply. What is the demographic with the lowest incidence rate of hospitalistion? Now how many total of these infected before this low incident rate cripples your health infrastructure. How long at various r values can this number of infections be reached?

    70% vaccination is our only way out imo.


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  • #6022
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Datacore wrote: »
    I wonder if the testing is picking up non viable virus fragments or perhaps could be detecting an otherwise undetected outbreak in a local plant?

    I’m never entirely sure about Chinese data. It’s a country that’s far too ready to produce facts that suit politics.

    Probably. Outbreak at plant. And they say it's the ice cream! :)


  • #6023
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,786 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Datacore wrote: »
    I’m not sure how it will pan out, but I’m already hearing friends of mine talking about emigrating as soon as it’s possible to and all sorts of stuff like this all over again.

    I’m not sure where to, but I think it’s just their default reaction to being frustrated with the status quo here.

    I don't see the point of emigrating, if its only being done cos you are annoyed how we managed the virus.
    To me thats just more typical Irish begrudgery.

    Nearly every country in the world has been affected similarly. Some managed it better as they had more severe lockdowns to get it under control. I don't think we had the appetite in Ireland for those types of hard lockdowns.

    A few days ago we were 2nd in Europe per head of population for number of people vaccinated.


  • #6024
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    How can there be virus in the ice cream? Are they suggesting it was in whey powder from Ukraine? (Surely not the NZ milk powder as NZ have almost zero covid). This is a weird story. How could it survive pre production export/import and storage of ingredients. I'm having a brain fart moment..

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0116/1190173-coronavirus-ice-cream/

    Covid-99

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #6025
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    The state just take over the Beacon Hospital and all the others while they're at it. End this private public nonsense.

    You do know who owns the Beacon, don't you? :rolleyes:


  • #6026
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Eivor wrote: »
    It’s interesting I agree but not “problematic for the entire food sector” like the other guy said

    I am close to some managing food sector industries, including frozen foods, and they take Covid control extremely seriously. Huge investment.


  • #6027
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    Covid-99

    Hahah :D


  • #6028
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    It is only 16 January and there is already a sense of fatigue out there this weekend.

    I think we have 4 weeks at very maximum where people will continue to comply with the spirit of getting numbers down.

    Beyond that, people will just not comply.

    Feeling and seeing that myself too. It was very quiet around today but you can sense people are starting to relax a bit again. It’s just mentally very difficult to keep up your guard for weeks on end. We’ve had 3 weeks break from level 5 since mid October. Still not seeing family or friends but it’s starting to get to me.


  • #6029
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    NIMAN wrote: »

    A few days ago we were 2nd in Europe per head of population for number of people vaccinated.

    First in Europe! The U.K. is no longer in Europe and has been relocated to Narnia.

    Great on vaccines, don’t mention the fish!


  • #6030
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Was out tonight in Hanoi down the old quarter. I'd say a thousand people were out around this one corner in countless little bars watching Heineken-sponsored DJs on a massive publicly-funded stage.

    Proper party atmosphere. Not a mask in sight. Life completely normal. Just a mad Saturday night in Hanoi.

    It blows my mind that international travel is so important to the West, continuous lockdowns are preferable. How often do any of ye even travel abroad anyway..

    Contact tracing. Dedicated Covid-19 hospitals. Mandatory quarantine if you have it, and mandatory quarantine if you arrive in the country. Shut down entire towns for a couple of weeks if there's an outbreak. Northern Ireland isn't an excuse.. You can't say none of it was done because of the border.

    If in 2019 I asked you which country would allow the infected live in the same household as the uninfected during a pandemic, you'd have all said Vietnam or China. That's a really sad fact. It would have been viewed as barbaric and uncaring if the Chinese took Ireland's approach. I can't believe my uncle and aunt were Covid-19 positive and allowed live at home with my cousin and they just use the kitchen at different times.

    Over 800 people were traced and tested the last time there was spread in the community here. They caught it, like they do every time. They said a year ago the medical system couldn't handle the virus so they just went for zero. I got extremely lucky living here.


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  • #6031
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Datacore wrote: »
    I’m not sure how it will pan out, but I’m already hearing friends of mine talking about emigrating as soon as it’s possible to and all sorts of stuff like this all over again.

    I’m not sure where to, but I think it’s just their default reaction to being frustrated with the status quo here.

    I am resigned to emigration. The real pain will be over the next 5 or so years. And I know I can never retire if I am living here. I'm too old and have burned out my options on things like Re-education to be able to start again and ever have security when getting to retirement age.

    The real **** will hit the fan in 30 years, when the people who were in their 20s during the economic collapse in the 00s and will have to face it again now in their 30s. They won't be able to retire, they won't be able to pay the future equivalent of €1500 a month for renting a 1 bed apartment and whatever government of the time will have to pick up the pieces of renting OAPs becoming homeless.

    We're still paying for the last collapse and this one will be far worse.

    If you are in your 30s and haven't got your **** together now, you are ****ed if you stay in Ireland. Absolutely ****ed.


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