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Cheltenham 2021 Antepost

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    #512
    IAMAMORON
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    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Is he that bad a jumper though? I thought he looked fine until the fall, willing to give any novice a second chance.

    I personally think 5/2 is an absolute monster of a price - far more likely to turn up with it being right handed it suits much better that the DRF, Envoi would be equally comfortable at either track, he is a Grade one horse receiving 11lbs in bottomless ground, Gordan's are running under par and surely the last thing that connections want is a slugging match with AF 8 weeks away from the big one - all for a measly 20K.

    Yes , he is that bad, especially at 5/2. He can win all day at that price, I am backing Fulham to beat Chelsea at home on Saturday - around 11/2 generally. Do a double with Lampard getting the sack after.


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    #513
    IAMAMORON
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    If I am having any bet in the race it will be a fiver on all the outsiders.

    In a 3 horse race - always back the outsider.


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    #514
    Pogue eile
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Yes , he is that bad, especially at 5/2. He can win all day at that price, I am backing Fulham to beat Chelsea at home on Saturday - around 11/2 generally. Do a double with Lampard getting the sack after.

    What price is he if/when Envoi is a no show?


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    #515
    IAMAMORON
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    Pogue eile wrote: »
    What price is he if/when Envoi is a no show?

    I don't know tbh, but I would probably go dutch on the field then, or lay him. You are talking about backing a 1/2 shot over fences in a graded race after he fell last time out and has shown on multiple occasions that he is a quirky jumper. As I said he can win all he likes at those prices - there are better bets to be had.

    In the meantime Fulham and Chelsea goes ahead at 5.30 Craven Cottage tomorrow night. I got 6/1 on Betfair - happy days.


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    #516
    Dr. Bre
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    Champ still entered in the stayers hurdle


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    #517
    Pogue eile
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I don't know tbh, but I would probably go dutch on the field then, or lay him. You are talking about backing a 1/2 shot over fences in a graded race after he fell last time out and has shown on multiple occasions that he is a quirky jumper. As I said he can win all he likes at those prices - there are better bets to be had.

    In the meantime Fulham and Chelsea goes ahead at 5.30 Craven Cottage tomorrow night. I got 6/1 on Betfair - happy days.

    No, I am talking about backing him at 5/2 :confused:


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    #518
    IAMAMORON
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    Pogue eile wrote: »
    No, I am talking about backing him at 5/2 :confused:

    He is still a shight bet if Envoi Allen does him for 3 lengths at every fence, neither horse has a clue what weight they are carrying.

    Jumping is the game, I would rather back a good jumper than a shight one.

    Or Fulham at 6/1.


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    #519
    The Mig
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    I was that drunk over Xmas I had forgotten Asterion Forlonge fell in Limerick. Had to check the RP there


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    #520
    Pogue eile
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    He is still a shight bet if Envoi Allen does him for 3 lengths at every fence, neither horse has a clue what weight they are carrying.

    Jumping is the game, I would rather back a good jumper than a shight one.

    Or Fulham at 6/1.

    I see now that its no longer Ante post having gone past the 48hr decs so my point is kind of redundant as the prices are subject to Rule 4 - he was 5/2AP earlier in the week with Hills.


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    #521
    Pogue eile
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    He is still a shight bet if Envoi Allen does him for 3 lengths at every fence, neither horse has a clue what weight they are carrying.

    Jumping is the game, I would rather back a good jumper than a shight one.

    Or Fulham at 6/1.

    Come on now that's just silly, even for you!


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    #522
    IAMAMORON
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    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Come on now that's just silly, even for you!

    I think this conversation is over.

    If there is anything about it that you are not understanding let me spell it out for you.

    There are better bets to be having this weekend. Go find one.


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    #523
    Dr. Bre
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I think this conversation is over.

    If there is anything about it that you are not understanding let me spell it out for you.

    There are better bets to be having this weekend. Go find one.

    Fulham at 6/1?


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    #524
    IAMAMORON
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I think this conversation is over.

    If there is anything about it that you are not understanding let me spell it out for you.

    There are better bets to be having this weekend. Go find one.

    There look I found one already - Dreal Deal looks a cracking ew bet in the next.

    https://www.irishracing.com/card?race=Punchestown_Sun_17th_Jan_2021_1_20&prc=071&prd=202101171320


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    #525
    IAMAMORON
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    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Fulham at 6/1?

    Fill your booties. To the max.


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    #526
    RivetingRoger
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    I am very confident in Thyme Hill for the Stayers, unless Champ runs in which case I will be all over him


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    #527
    akelly02
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    RivetingRoger wrote: »
    I am very confident in Thyme Hill for the Stayers, unless Champ runs in which case I will be all over him

    ah roger , looks like its me against you again in the stayers!

    paisley park all the way boy!!


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    #528
    supremenovice
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    Faugheen not entered in the Ryanair or the Gold Cup. I wonder is that it for the Machine?


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    #529
    akelly02
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    lads

    has there been a worse racer ever run , form wise at least than the boodles last year.

    just go back through the result.

    not one horse in that is worth a shyte.

    its gas


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    #530
    RivetingRoger
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    akelly02 wrote: »
    ah roger , looks like its me against you again in the stayers!

    paisley park all the way boy!!

    Happy to take you on Kelly boy!!!!


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    #531
    RivetingRoger
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    supremenovice wrote: »
    Faugheen not entered in the Ryanair or the Gold Cup. I wonder is that it for the Machine?

    Got a clip last week
    Setback alright
    Punchestown probably the plan now
    Who knows, he ain't getting any younger


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    #532
    akelly02
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    RivetingRoger wrote: »
    Happy to take you on Kelly boy!!!!



    He stung ya before rog, when you are frothing at the mouth over faugheen.

    he fairly put them in their place that day , and he will do the same again in march!!


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    #533
    supremenovice
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    akelly02 wrote: »
    lads

    has there been a worse racer ever run , form wise at least than the boodles last year.

    just go back through the result.

    not one horse in that is worth a shyte.

    its gas

    When have we ever had a good one out of it? Crack away Jack was half decent.
    No place for it at Cheltenham at all, belongs at Plumpton.


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    #534
    famagusta
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    supremenovice wrote:
    When have we ever had a good one out of it? Crack away Jack was half decent. No place for it at Cheltenham at all, belongs at Plumpton.


    Can't understand why they didn't get rid of it and leave in the novice handicap chase, look at the horses that have come out of that in comparison


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    #535
    RivetingRoger
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    akelly02 wrote: »
    He stung ya before rog, when you are frothing at the mouth over faugheen.

    he fairly put them in their place that day , and he will do the same again in march!!

    Don't you DARE say Paisely feckin Park put Faugheen in his place!!!!

    They both have their place, and my boys place is in the pantheon of greats!
    Your boy will never win at the festival again!!

    THE CHEEK OF YOU KELLY!!


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    #536
    akelly02
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    RivetingRoger wrote: »
    Don't you DARE say Paisely feckin Park put Faugheen in his place!!!!

    They both have their place, and my boys place is in the pantheon of greats!
    Your boy will never win at the festival again!!

    THE CHEEK OF YOU KELLY!!



    I love faugheen myself rog, but HE WAS PUT IN HIS PLACE !!.

    This years stayers will be a cracker.


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    #537
    kksaints
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    famagusta wrote: »
    Can't understand why they didn't get rid of it and leave in the novice handicap chase, look at the horses that have come out of that in comparison

    It keeps a lot of the mediocre 4-year olds out of the Triumph Hurdle making the Triumph a classier race. The Triumph in the 90s and early 00s was a calvary charge.


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    #538
    RivetingRoger
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    akelly02 wrote: »
    I love faugheen myself rog, but HE WAS PUT IN HIS PLACE !!.

    This years stayers will be a cracker.

    It will, and I tell you now son, Paisley doesn't win it!!


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    #539
    Coneygree
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    I'm on record here saying I fancied Paisley to get bet last year, I just had no clue what would beat him. I definitely don't fancy him this year. Thyme Hill is my main dart but it is another weak enough renewal. I'd love a horse that's just not good enough for the GC to go for it. Percy, Kemboy, something like that... The Storyteller is already pencilled in. Gutted it seems like Thistlecrack isn't entered. Even though he's nearly 13 I felt he deserves one more run at Cheltenham before he's retired, although I'm being a little selfish


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    #540
    IAMAMORON
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    I am backing Paisley Park - for the sole reason that he is an exciting bet to have. He takes some time to get going and then boots home. I reckon there is 3/1 available on the day, I will have a win only bet, nothing too big.

    The biggest danger at the prices is Fury Road. He ran shight at Christmas and it looked too bad to be true. If any of Gordon Elliott's show improvement next time out they need to be considered for the festival.


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    #541
    Dr. Bre
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    I like mcfab for the stayers


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