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Cheltenham 2021 Antepost

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    #482
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Slattsy wrote: »
    He said a few hundred, there'll be no problems there.

    Ye putting 200 on today and another 200 next week

    Just didnt want to lose 300 if they only returned back a certain amount like up to 100

    But looks like I should be alright so going to do the bets


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    #483
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    The confidence behind Zanahiyr is understandable but the triumph is a minefield.
    I'd be very interested to see how quixlios goes goes next time out before putting any big sums down


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    #484
    supremenovice
    Registered Users Posts: 976 ✭✭✭supremenovice


    Any early opinions on the County?
    Two I've marked down for it are Botox Has and Tiger Tap Tap. I think there are big handicaps in both of them at some stage. They aren't priced up yet from what I can see.


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    #485
    akelly02
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    supremenovice wrote: »
    Any early opinions on the County?
    Two I've marked down for it are Botox Has and Tiger Tap Tap. I think there are big handicaps in both of them at some stage. They aren't priced up yet from what I can see.



    tiger tap tap is a hound in my opinion , literally hasnt done a tap since he was bigged up to beat sir erec a few christmases ago


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    #486
    longshotvalue
    Registered Users Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    supremenovice wrote: »
    Any early opinions on the County?
    Two I've marked down for it are Botox Has and Tiger Tap Tap. I think there are big handicaps in both of them at some stage. They aren't priced up yet from what I can see.




    I was hoping Verdana Blue would be this years Aramon, but i'm not the only one unfortunately. FAV NRNB.:mad:. Ill have a find another one.


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    #487
    Pogue eile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    aidankkk wrote: »
    I was hoping Verdana Blue would be this years Aramon, but i'm not the only one unfortunately. FAV NRNB.:mad:. Ill have a find another one.

    Would you not think She is very ground dependent to be backing 2 months out?


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    #488
    Pogue eile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    supremenovice wrote: »
    Any early opinions on the County?
    Two I've marked down for it are Botox Has and Tiger Tap Tap. I think there are big handicaps in both of them at some stage. They aren't priced up yet from what I can see.

    Milkwood is one that strikes me as very unexposed and in the 'could be anything' category, the other one that strikes me as 'interesting' is Soaring Glory who I thought was going to be a Supreme hotpot at one point but I got the feeling the last two times they were keeping a little back to protect his mark.

    Unless I was privy to some insider info though I wouldn't go near the County until at least after the Betfair.


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    #489
    longshotvalue
    Registered Users Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭longshotvalue


    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Would you not think She is very ground dependent to be backing 2 months out?


    Id say she would have a great chance to win this on anything but Very soft. I wouldn't back her at the price now anyway , she's need to be 20/1 nrnb to factor in ground etc.


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    #490
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    supremenovice wrote: »
    Any early opinions on the County?
    Two I've marked down for it are Botox Has and Tiger Tap Tap. I think there are big handicaps in both of them at some stage. They aren't priced up yet from what I can see.

    I dunno lad, I couldn't have that tiger tap tap of it started now.
    Absolute pig of a horse


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    #491
    posturingpat
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    supremenovice wrote: »
    Any early opinions on the County?
    Two I've marked down for it are Botox Has and Tiger Tap Tap. I think there are big handicaps in both of them at some stage. They aren't priced up yet from what I can see.

    Ngolo, county written all over him the way he races. Only fear is bha handicapper putting him up something ridiculous like 8 or 9lb but the likely 4 or 5 should be fine.


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    #492
    Pogue eile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    posturingpat wrote: »
    Ngolo, county written all over him the way he races. Only fear is bha handicapper putting him up something ridiculous like 8 or 9lb but the likely 4 or 5 should be fine.

    Wrong handicap ;)


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    #493
    supremenovice
    Registered Users Posts: 976 ✭✭✭supremenovice


    No love for Triple T so :rolleyes: . In fairness, he has been a disappointment so far.
    But he is trained by a maestro in W P Mullins who seems to good at laying one out for it.


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    #494
    posturingpat
    Registered Users Posts: 2,722 ✭✭✭posturingpat


    Pogue eile wrote: »
    Wrong handicap ;)

    Could well be. I'll not be backing him yet anyway, handicaps in general you're better off sitting
    tight I find with the competitiveness of markets and terms come Cheltenham week.
    Finishes his races very strongly over 2 mile, I think Cheltenham strong gallop and 2 mile is perfect.
    I presume you're thinking the MP but I'd be wanting a thorough stayer in it and I think this boy mightnt be a dour enough stayer.


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    #495
    Pogue eile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    posturingpat wrote: »
    Could well be. I'll not be backing him yet anyway, handicaps in general you're better off sitting
    tight I find with the competitiveness of markets and terms come Cheltenham week.
    Finishes his races very strongly over 2 mile, I think Cheltenham strong gallop and 2 mile is perfect.
    I presume you're thinking the MP but I'd be wanting a thorough stayer in it and I think this boy mightnt be a dour enough stayer.

    Yeah, was keeping an eye on him for the Martin Pipe but wouldn't be backing him until closer to the time


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    #496
    The Mig
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    The Mig wrote: »
    Envoi looks like he’s gonna run Sunday at Punchestown. Be interesting if Asterion Forlonge turns up too receiving 11lbs from EA

    Both of them declared. We’ve got a race folks!


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    #497
    Slattsy
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    What odds one of them is a n/r?


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    #498
    The Mig
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 2,034 Mod ✭✭✭✭The Mig


    Stone bruise NAP.


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    #499
    Coneygree
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    Christ giving Asterion 11 lbs and on heavy ground. If Envoi hacks up here it'll be some performance. Asterion is mad as a brush but he's a quality horse if right. Jockeys and trainer seem confident in Envoi anyway.


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    #500
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    I wouldn't be too down on Envoi if he is beaten here. To give a quality horse like Asterion Forlonge 11 is almost impossible
    Over even weights he would laugh at him


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    #501
    Slattsy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,775 ✭✭✭✭Slattsy


    Is it priced up?


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    #502
    Coneygree
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    12 stone on potentially heavy ground. That could really find the bottom of a horse, regardless how much a machine he is. Risky move but fair ****s to connections I guess.


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    #503
    The Mig
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    Slattsy wrote: »
    Is it priced up?

    Can’t see any yet slatts. All waiting for the 1st bookie to price it up and then the rest follow suit no doubt

    Just seen Sky bet have 4/9 EA and AF is 9/4


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    #504
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    Looking at the conditions, the weight he will have to carry, the proximity to Cheltenham........this has NR written all over it


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    #505
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Slattsy wrote: »
    Is it priced up?

    4/9 v 5/2 - generally

    https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/2021-01-17-punchestown/12:50/winner


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    #506
    IAMAMORON
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    I couldn't be backing Asterion Forlonge over any type of a fence again, he can't do it.

    They should train him to be a flat stayer, he could make a nice few bob for connections. Serious machine.


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    #507
    RivetingRoger
    Registered Users Posts: 2,625 ✭✭✭RivetingRoger


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I couldn't be backing Asterion Forlonge over any type of a fence again, he can't do it.

    They should train him to be a flat stayer, he could make a nice few bob for connections. Serious machine.

    He wouldn't win a flat handicap around Galway lad


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    #508
    Brock Turnpike
    Registered Users Posts: 3,744 ✭✭✭Brock Turnpike


    RivetingRoger wrote: »
    Looking at the conditions, the weight he will have to carry, the proximity to Cheltenham........this has NR written all over it

    I would be amazed if he runs.


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    #509
    IAMAMORON
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    RivetingRoger wrote: »
    He wouldn't win a flat handicap around Galway lad

    A has a Grade 1 under his belt, don't get too smart Rog.

    He is right good horse, but he is a sloppy jumper.

    If he could jump at all he would be a great bet for Sunday. He isn't though.


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    #510
    Coneygree
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    Yeah I'm a big fan of him too. Mad as anything out there but a serious engine. I've no problem putting my hand up saying I fancied him more than Shishkin last March.


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    #511
    Pogue eile
    Registered Users Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Pogue eile


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    A has a Grade 1 under his belt, don't get too smart Rog.

    He is right good horse, but he is a sloppy jumper.

    If he could jump at all he would be a great bet for Sunday. He isn't though.

    Is he that bad a jumper though? I thought he looked fine until the fall, willing to give any novice a second chance.

    I personally think 5/2 is an absolute monster of a price - far more likely to turn up with it being right handed it suits much better that the DRF, Envoi would be equally comfortable at either track, he is a Grade one horse receiving 11lbs in bottomless ground, Gordan's are running under par and surely the last thing that connections want is a slugging match with AF 8 weeks away from the big one - all for a measly 20K.


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