Machinery Photo/Discussion Thread II

Morris Moss · 12-01-2021 07:49PM

Grueller wrote: »

Always loved the look of the deutz. Never actually considered one as there is no independent mechanic in the area here that works on them regularly.
Best of luck with her.

Edit: What was the lead time on her from order to delivery Morris?

Had a deutz here anyway and never gave much bother so no point changing for us, ah that tractor was in stock but a few things had to be done to it before we got it, we bought in early December.

Say my name · 12-01-2021 07:53PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Not tempted to get the lot together under LESS?

The one you have looks in good nick. Perhaps the previous owner upgraded themselves with LESS - although it does have the brackets. A lot of fellas are going to be stuck now with the new rules so I'd say there'd be a few knocking around for sale this year with lads upgrading.

Yea the owner upgraded to a new tank and dribblebar under the scheme.
I was pricing new but it's cheaper by a good bit for me to buy this 2nd hand and apply for a dribble bar under the scheme.

Morris Moss · 12-01-2021 07:59PM

Say my name wrote: »

Yea the owner upgraded to a new tank and dribblebar under the scheme.
I was pricing new but it's cheaper by a good bit for me to buy this 2nd hand and apply for a dribble bar under the scheme.

Will ya go dribble bar or trailing shoe?

Say my name · 12-01-2021 08:04PM

Morris Moss wrote: »

Will ya go dribble bar or trailing shoe?

Dribble for simplicity and weight.

Donald Trump · 12-01-2021 08:08PM

Say my name wrote: »

Yea the owner upgraded to a new tank and dribblebar under the scheme.
I was pricing new but it's cheaper by a good bit for me to buy this 2nd hand and apply for a dribble bar under the scheme.

Applications close on Friday!

Say my name · 12-01-2021 08:12PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Applications close on Friday!

Approved both ways since April last..

mad-for-tar · 12-01-2021 08:51PM

blue5000 wrote: »

Well wear, just in time. Is there a Cummins in the Case?

Say my name wrote: »

Thanks. I'm not sure on the engine.
It's a 10 maxxum 115, 6 cylinder if that's any use.
A whiney yoke.

Iveco/FPT engine, NEF or New Engine Family as it was known. 6.7 litre, this one with mechanical injection. Was a joint venture in the beginning between Cummins and Iveco (you’ll see EEA in raised letters in places on the blocks of some which stood for European Engine Alliance).

They parted ways a few years after and whilst both use in large the same blocks and design, they do now have their differences as per each manufacturers own specs.

You’d want to see the factory in Turin, Italy, it’s acres and acres under cover, Strada del Cascinette if I remember is one of the streets close by. Millions of engines churned out of there every year.

The gearbox sure does whine on them alright, old 40 series Ford design, 16/17x16, carried over and beefed up over the years.

Good workhorse though the 115hp 6 cylinder.

hopeso · 12-01-2021 09:06PM

Morris Moss wrote: »

New Bus here

Well wear! Lovely looking yoke! :cool:

SuperTortoise · 12-01-2021 09:18PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

I've been keeping an eye on donedeal over Xmas, mostly out of boredom with being off work for the festivities. I'd formed the opinion that all jeeps had increased in price lately but I'd agree that land cruisers in particular have experienced a price jump in the last few month's.

The older pre 03 body shape are now making either side of €5000 for anything in half reasonable shape and you'd still be looking at a circa 20 year old jeep with maybe 250,000 or more miles. Once you go into the mid naughties regs your talking €10,000 for anything approaching good condition and sub 200,000 miles. There was a clean lwb 08 a few weeks back with I think around 150,000 miles @ €13,500, it's a serious touch for a 13 year old jeep.

I'm of the opinion that the only value to be had in a land cruiser is in the €20,000+ category, unless you know the history of a lot of those lower priced older jeeps they could prove to be a money pit from the outset. I'd say there's more 97-01 models left locally than 02-03, there seems to be better lasting in the older one's. What's people's opinions on the mitsubishi pajero/shogun from let's say 2012 onwards? There not that common locally but look a nice jeep and you'd still have a 3.2 engine.

If memory serves me the last of the shockingly bad injector pump issues was around the 2012 mark in the 3.2 pajero's, they went from 2001 right up to 2012 or thereabouts(might be 2001-2007 can't remember), they all break and you're talking north of €3000 to fix. Fuel lines corrode, lets in air and that breaks the pump.

Second hand jeeps are gone completely cracked, can't and won't touch them at the mad money being asked, looked at a 05 landcruiser, well minded in fairness and 270K on the clock, was asked 8.5K, 07 pajero very middling nick, 170K on the clock, was asked 11K, absolutely mental money.

enricoh · 12-01-2021 10:04PM

I wouldn't mind but fresh second hand land cruisers were going for a song 10 years ago. All the builders/ tradesmen heading to oz or canada were offloading.

Albert Johnson · 12-01-2021 10:19PM

SuperTortoise wrote: »

If memory serves me the last of the shockingly bad injector pump issues was around the 2012 mark in the 3.2 pajero's, they went from 2001 right up to 2012 or thereabouts(might be 2001-2007 can't remember), they all break and you're talking north of €3000 to fix. Fuel lines corrode, lets in air and that breaks the pump.

Second hand jeeps are gone completely cracked, can't and won't touch them at the mad money being asked, looked at a 05 landcruiser, well minded in fairness and 270K on the clock, was asked 8.5K, 07 pajero very middling nick, 170K on the clock, was asked 11K, absolutely mental money.

The injector pump issues weren't something I was aware of, as I said there not that popular locally. There's probably a reason for that rarity but I was looking at what €20,000 would buy in a pajero compared to a land cruiser. Also I've been hearing lads talk for year's about how underpowered the newer land cruisers are compared to the older models. There's not many manufacturers offering 3 litre engines in recent year's and although I don't tow huge loads I'd prefer to have the power there for when needed.

I agree that the second hand market is crazy dear but if you need a jeep you'll have to buy something. I figured out the hard way that there's nothing as expensive as a bad yolk. At least if you bought something clean and reliable you'd have something to show for your money compared to throwing money in a crock of a thing and still not having any comfort.

JustJoe7240 · 12-01-2021 10:26PM

SuperTortoise wrote: »

If memory serves me the last of the shockingly bad injector pump issues was around the 2012 mark in the 3.2 pajero's, they went from 2001 right up to 2012 or thereabouts(might be 2001-2007 can't remember), they all break and you're talking north of €3000 to fix. Fuel lines corrode, lets in air and that breaks the pump.

Second hand jeeps are gone completely cracked, can't and won't touch them at the mad money being asked, looked at a 05 landcruiser, well minded in fairness and 270K on the clock, was asked 8.5K, 07 pajero very middling nick, 170K on the clock, was asked 11K, absolutely mental money.

They don't, 4 Pajeros/Shoguns here between 01 and 16, Never any injector pump issues.

SuperTortoise · 12-01-2021 10:34PM

JustJoe7240 wrote: »

They don't, 4 Pajeros/Shoguns here between 01 and 16, Never any injector pump issues.

Were they 2.5l? The 2.5l had a different pump any never gave trouble.
I could name 6 or 7 lads with 3.2l pajero's within 5 miles of me all had pump failures, that aside they are bulletproof nothing else goes wrong in them, i'd have them ahead of landcruisers.

Tonynewholland · 12-01-2021 10:36PM

enricoh wrote: »

I wouldn't mind but fresh second hand land cruisers were going for a song 10 years ago. All the builders/ tradesmen heading to oz or canada were offloading.

I was thinking of trading in a 3 year old land cruiser around that time. The main dealer wouldn’t take a trade in at the time. To many in their yard already

josephsoap · 12-01-2021 11:41PM

Tonynewholland wrote: »

I was thinking of trading in a 3 year old land cruiser around that time. The main dealer wouldn’t take a trade in at the time. To many in their yard already

It must have been unreal the amount of new landcruisers sold between the years 2003 - 2008 some amount of them still on the road today.

FintanMcluskey · 12-01-2021 11:43PM

josephsoap wrote: »

It must have been unreal the amount of new landcruisers sold between the years 2003 - 2008 some amount of them still on the road today.

No other jeep survives in the way the landcruiser does

cjpm · 13-01-2021 07:33AM

josephsoap wrote: »

It must have been unreal the amount of new landcruisers sold between the years 2003 - 2008 some amount of them still on the road today.

It came to a point in 2008 that there was a huge waiting list for them. I know a guy who needed to change the jeep in a hurry and couldn't wait. Toyota couldn't supply one so he bought a Mercedes 4x4 instead

Grueller · 13-01-2021 08:06AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No other jeep survives in the way the landcruiser does

The late 90s early noughties ones yes but there are a fair amount of D4D ones that ended up prematurely scrapped.
Certain brands are able to trade for years on past glories and anything new is considered scrap. I bought a fresh skoda superb in the early noughties and all the neighbours laughed at it. Told me I should have bought an avensis. I drove it to 220,000kms and sold it to a Dublin taxi driver that lives in the road here. He drove it to 530,000kms before its age put it off the road as a taxi. His son still has it as his main car with north of 800,000 kms on it.
I know several Dmax crewcab about here with north of 15 years and 400,000kms on them and nobody seems to rate them. All you hear is that they would have been better with a hilux.

whelan2 · 13-01-2021 08:12AM

Big trouble with rusting chassis in later nineties early 00's landcruiser. My dad has a 00, got the chassis welded in 2019, due for test next week will see how it goes. Have an 04 passenger here about 8 years, great yolk

K.G. · 13-01-2021 08:25AM

Say my name wrote: »

It's nice cos I've no hills. And not much road work.

Ah no she's well shod and has brackets for a dribble bar which will be the next addition.

I'm coming from a 1300 tank so it'll speed up the job.

Unusual to see a major with the axle that far back

paddysdream · 13-01-2021 09:02AM

Tonynewholland wrote: »

I was thinking of trading in a 3 year old land cruiser around that time. The main dealer wouldn’t take a trade in at the time. To many in their yard already

Bought a 2006 LWB Landcruiser in September 2009 from local Toyota dealer.One owner and approx 60k on it.Was like new to be fair.
Paid 16k inc. vat.
That was about the price of them at the time as had looked at a few and anything similar was about that money.

Say my name · 13-01-2021 09:49AM

K.G. wrote: »

Unusual to see a major with the axle that far back

Would it be because it had the brackets for the dribble/trailing shoe on it in factory? And designed for it?
Different lines?

I did notice that when looking at pictures of tankers for sale.

Great wheels under it. 30.5, R32.

have2flushtwice · 13-01-2021 10:24AM

SuperTortoise wrote: »

If memory serves me the last of the shockingly bad injector pump issues was around the 2012 mark in the 3.2 pajero's, they went from 2001 right up to 2012 or thereabouts(might be 2001-2007 can't remember), they all break and you're talking north of €3000 to fix. Fuel lines corrode, lets in air and that breaks the pump.

Second hand jeeps are gone completely cracked, can't and won't touch them at the mad money being asked, looked at a 05 landcruiser, well minded in fairness and 270K on the clock, was asked 8.5K, 07 pajero very middling nick, 170K on the clock, was asked 11K, absolutely mental money.

I've a 91 pajero swb automatic, it's looking better value for me now to get it back in the road. and she's rough....

K.G. · 13-01-2021 11:44AM

Say my name wrote: »

Would it be because it had the brackets for the dribble/trailing shoe on it in factory? And designed for it?
Different lines?

I did notice that when looking at pictures of tankers for sale.

Great wheels under it. 30.5, R32.

I was looking at tanks with last couple of months and hard to find tanks suitable for conversion at money tha t would tempt you away from the grant on the tank.a tank would have to be.less than 12 k at 40%grant.and.less than 8.k if you qualify for 60 % grant.when you think a new tyre for a secondhand tank is around 1600 it starts to get very hard to go second hand.are 32r s that much a head of say 28r s. To travel ground

Albert Johnson · 13-01-2021 12:13PM

paddysdream wrote: »

Bought a 2006 LWB Landcruiser in September 2009 from local Toyota dealer.One owner and approx 60k on it.Was like new to be fair.
Paid 16k inc. vat.
That was about the price of them at the time as had looked at a few and anything similar was about that money.

That same jeep today is worth €6000-€9000 today with probably closer to 300,000k or more. The equivalent 3 year old landcruiser is making circa €35,000.

Say my name · 13-01-2021 12:17PM

K.G. wrote: »

I was looking at tanks with last couple of months and hard to find tanks suitable for conversion at money tha t would tempt you away from the grant on the tank.a tank would have to be.less than 12 k at 40%grant.and.less than 8.k if you qualify for 60 % grant.when you think a new tyre for a secondhand tank is around 1600 it starts to get very hard to go second hand.are 32r s that much a head of say 28r s. To travel ground

Ah sure it must be. The bigger the tyre the less rolling resistance, the more tyre in contact with the ground, the less impact on the soil. I couldn't give you %'s better but it'd have to be.

I was worried about the dribble bar sticking up in the high heavens and catching a shoot and telephone wires.
Have a deal done on a major dribble bar with vogelsang macerator this morning. 7.5m but folds up very tidy behind.

FintanMcluskey · 13-01-2021 12:19PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

That same jeep today is worth €6000-€9000 today with probably closer to 300,000k or more. The equivalent 3 year old landcruiser is making circa €35,000.

Nothing holds value like a Toyota 4x4. And for good reason.

Like the John Deere in the tractor world

K.G. · 13-01-2021 02:07PM

As a friend says,the most impressive thing about Toyota jeeps is their reputation.

paddysdream · 13-01-2021 02:32PM

K.G. wrote: »

As a friend says,the most impressive thing about Toyota jeeps is their reputation.

Mine has about 450k on it so unsure what its worth.
Nice to drive and great to pull a trailer but no better than anything else imo.
Replaced engine last year ( injector/ clogged sump pick up) and turbo.On its 3rd clutch and probably 300 plus per year on suspension parts since i bought it.That could be due to a lot of trailer work across fields
Has had airbag clockspring done,steering column ,injectors twice.
Reckon its no better than any other make re upkeep. Still seem to hold their value better compared to anything else.Chassis on mine perfect.

lakill Farm · 13-01-2021 02:35PM

K.G. wrote: »

As a friend says,the most impressive thing about Toyota jeeps is their reputation.

Have one of the last Toyota avenisis and Auris commercials here but the jeep is Mitsubishi all along . You hear about they are hard on diesel etc but no harder than anything else, valve to buy and parts aren't to bad . ticks all the boxes for me (I do very little motorway mileage so no 6th gear isn't an issue for me)

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