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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    Watched the condensed game there on Youtube.

    Was really both surprised and impressed with the defense, especially considering what we saw the last few weeks. I loved that Eburflus played more man, you can see the difference it made last night. The pass rushers had much more time to get to the QB and they did. Houston played his best game, as did Turay, I'm devastated for the kid his season is over because he was making great strides. What was also encouraging was the performance of the 3 rookies who started on defense (Okereke, Ya-Sin and Willis). I think Willis and Okereke are already better than Walker and Geathers, definitely Willis is better than Geathers, while Ya-Sin has locked down the right cornerback position. Odum also played really well.

    For me the winning of the game was the oline play. Like jesus some of the moving Nelson was doing out there was off the charts. On a 4th and 1, Braden Smith blocked 3 guys in front of him down field for Mack to pick up the 1st down. All the backs played well. I'm still not fully on board with Jacoby to be honest. I'm not too upset over the pick, Ebron was open in behind, but his vision down the field is very suspect. We are struggling to push the ball down the field, and even when he does throw deep, sometimes its into double/triple coverage. We can't always rely on the run game, and we will need to see more from him. He is kind of playing at a level I taught he would, serviceable, but not at a level I'd make him my franchise QB.

    I think getting to the bye 3-2 is a good enough start. Next game against the Texans in LOS is agruably the most important game of the season.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    In usual circumstances, we would be cutting our kicker. But Adam isn't any usual kicker though. Once again he cost us the game.

    I understand the standing Adam has in our locker room and in the game in general, but we have to cut him now. Ballard needs to make the tough decision he is paid to do. He is missing far too much. At this stage, I would just take a chance and sigh someone off the street that keep going with Vinateri. It can't get much worse. I mean he has missed about 4 PATs so far this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭Deco99


    letowski wrote: »
    In usual circumstances, we would be cutting our kicker. But Adam isn't any usual kicker though. Once again he cost us the game.

    I understand the standing Adam has in our locker room and in the game in general, but we have to cut him now. Ballard needs to make the tough decision he is paid to do. He is missing far too much. At this stage, I would just take a chance and sigh someone off the street that keep going with Vinateri. It can't get much worse. I mean he has missed about 4 PATs so far this year.

    THE LACES WERE OUT


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    Deco99 wrote: »
    THE LACES WERE OUT

    You mean the laces were in? They were in for the Steelers final kick.

    I'm not an expert in kicking, but it looked like he kicked the ground a half foot in front of the ball, I don't think the ball ever had a chance of getting over, whether the laces were out or in.

    The missed PAT was costly too, he has to be chipping those kicks to avoid any chances of them being blocked.

    The reality is his stats are the worst in the NFL this season, and if it were not for the fact he is arguably the greatest kicker of all time, he would definitely be cut by now.

    I don't have any confidence in him. He has cost us two games in the first half of the season. That's too high. I have the utmost respect for him nonetheless. But ever since he had that hamstring injury during last season, he has not been himself. I think its age, its hard to return from those types of injuries at 47. Like there is no shame in age catching up to a player, it happens to everyone, and he is still guaranteed his golden jacket in Canton, Ohio.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,642 ✭✭✭Deco99


    Yup, should have been laces out. Was meant to quote ace Ventura


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Oh another missed PAT, great!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    kmart6 wrote: »
    Oh another missed PAT, great!!

    Yep. I think we will still win.

    But we are not a very good football team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,172 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    letowski wrote: »
    Yep. I think we will still win.

    Nope.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    kmart6 wrote: »
    Nope.

    :(

    If they don't cut Vinny in the morning, I mean i don't know what to say.

    Ballard has to take criticism for this decision.

    What an embarrassment.

    Hoyer too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    Well this season is lost. Complete nightmare when it promised so much pre Luck's retirement.

    On the positive side at least we know for certain that Jacoby is not a franchise QB.

    But the roster is shakey. We are either ageing or lacking talent in all the premium positions, QB, LT, WR, DE, CB.

    I think next off season Ballard needs to fix this passing offense, we were 3rd worst before today. He just needs to draft his QB and try (for the 3rd time) to get a good WR opposite Hilton.

    But this roster is a good bit away yet from doing anything.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,040 ✭✭✭McG


    if we'd had even an average kicker this year we'd probably be leading the division. Keeping Vinny this long has not done him, or us, any favours.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,156 ✭✭✭✭Foxtrol


    letowski wrote: »
    Well this season is lost. Complete nightmare when it promised so much pre Luck's retirement.

    On the positive side at least we know for certain that Jacoby is not a franchise QB.

    But the roster is shakey. We are either ageing or lacking talent in all the premium positions, QB, LT, WR, DE, CB.

    I think next off season Ballard needs to fix this passing offense, we were 3rd worst before today. He just needs to draft his QB and try (for the 3rd time) to get a good WR opposite Hilton.

    But this roster is a good bit away yet from doing anything.

    As a non-Colts fan, did you ever get a reason as to why Ballard didn't spend much money in the last off-season? I know he had great success in the draft and with cheap FAs the year before but that is rarely sustainable year on year.

    They were in a great position to kick on this year but it now seems like a wasted one.

    Did Ballard just get too full of his own success? Do you think that approach will change next year?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    As a non-Colts fan, did you ever get a reason as to why Ballard didn't spend much money in the last off-season? I know he had great success in the draft and with cheap FAs the year before but that is rarely sustainable year on year.

    They were in a great position to kick on this year but it now seems like a wasted one.

    Did Ballard just get too full of his own success? Do you think that approach will change next year?

    The main reason he gave from the start was that he philosophically believed that to rebuild a strong sustainable roster from the ground up, it needed a core group of young Colts players that were drafted. So his idea was to build his team almost exclusively through the draft, with as you say, supplementing with bargain, stop gap veteran players in positions he had not got around to drafting yet. His other approach was to build from inside out, so we have alot of draft capital invested in the oline, dline and linebackers, with little investment in skill positions.

    To be honest, its been an approach I'm OK with, as it was the antithesis of what his predecessor Ryan Grigson did, who was a terrible GM. Ballard got GM of the year last year, but with the exception of the 2018 draft class, his draft and free agent work is decent but not great. My main issue with his work is he hasn't invested either money or high draft picks on premium positions and as a result, it feels like the Colts have a solid roster, say players 10 to 53, but not enough high end talent/playmakers you need to go far in the playoffs.

    I could see his approach start to change, were swimming in cap space, (even before Luck's retirement) and now that he has 3 draft classes down, he has a good locker room of young players to build around. It also must be taken into account he can't break CBA rules on minimum spending, he is aware of that and has spoken to the media that he will make sure they are meeting cap expenditure requirements. But its hard to know. I think next year he will be under some bit of pressure as there has been a level of regression/stagnation in the team. Nevertheless we still have a young team, but everything the future hold for this franchise the short to medium term will likely hinge on the QB he takes in the first round next April. As bad as the Colts roster was in 2017, and it was bad, at least above all he had a franchise QB. But with that asset gone, replacing Luck will his biggest test yet as a GM, and one he will be ultimately judged on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    Thought I'd just put up my end of the season thoughts before the Free Agency and Draft next year. I'll try to be as brief as possible as there are a multitude of reasons why we are such a mediocre/below average team right now.

    From a high level standpoint, I've two major issues in the direction this team is going:

    First is with Ballard and the second is with Eburflus. With regards to Ballard, I've talked about it above, but imo he has got be be more aggressive in acquiring talent, especially in the free agency or even in the draft. If he continues to just sign cheap stop gap players in the Free Agency, it will take years to draft enough high playmakers on both sides of the ball to have a good enough team to go far in the playoffs. Right now we have loads of holes on our roster, which I will get into below, that simply cannot be fixed through the draft in 1 or two years, even if he drafts well.

    With regards to Eberflus, I have large reservations with this defensive scheme he is running here. Last year, I got it, we were making the switch to a 4-3 zone defensive set, so he called a soft zone Cover 2 to reduce big plays and keep things as simple as possible for the players so they could make the transition. But this year, with the exception of the Chiefs game, I don't think we have evolved or at least tried to bring in some nuance in our defensive scheme. And we don't play much press man at all, even on 3rd down. We just allow receivers free access off the line and let them take easy 10 yard completions. Against New Orleans, I've had enough of it to be honest, Brees is obviously a HOF, but how at this level we allowed a QB to throw 29/30 passes is a disgrace in my opinion. I think fundamentally this scheme will only bring us so far, but I don't think you can go to a SB with it and expect it to hold up against the top passing teams. I think it will continue to be shredded to be honest, its more suited to college than the pros.


    With regards to talent on the team, I have it that we have 4 holes on offense and 4 holes on defense. The major problem is that they are at some of the most important positions on the football field. For me, were short at QB, WR, TE, RG and Left DE, CB, DT, NT. And heavens forbid, if Castanzo is considering retirement, that is a disaster in every sense considering there is 3/4 good years left in him. Obviously were not going to fill every hole next year but getting sorted the biggest issue at QB would be a start. Were at 13th overall in the draft and I think were going to have to give up either our 34th overall or next years 1st round pick (or some kind of package) to get into the top 10 to get our franchise guy. Hopefully Ballard can find another good player or two in the draft and use his enormous cap space to address more positions.


    I think in some ways, the season ending so terribly could be a blessing in disguise. The last few weeks fully exposed alot of the team's weaknesses and there is no hiding from them. I think what's important now is just getting a good QB and build from there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7 Crendist the dentist


    What are people making of Phillip Rivers so far? Personally don't think he's been an upgrade from Jacoby. I think he's been lucky with a great defence and O-line


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    What are people making of Phillip Rivers so far? Personally don't think he's been an upgrade from Jacoby. I think he's been lucky with a great defence and O-line

    Yeah I agree, I think he is holding the team back. Defenses are selling out against our run because they know Rivers doesn't have the arm strength to make alot of throws, especially to the boundary. He is also putting savage pressure on our oline, he has no ability to escape pressure. I think we have to look at drafting a QB next year.

    There has been massive backlash by Colts supporters online over Rivers performance against Cleveland. I think supporters are getting the feeling that its possible our offense could just be as bad as it was last year, because of the QB play, and that we will struggle again to make the playoffs.

    It's disappointing because we have made great strides on defense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭ger664


    Most disapointing for me is a fit TY and he cant seem to ever find him


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    I have to say, Phillip has been outstanding these past few games. He really has settled down after a rocky first couple of games and our offense is humming now. What's so encouraging is players are starting to emerge, Hines, Taylor, Pittman and TY rediscovering his old form. Taylor particularly giving us that physical run game with our oline, keeping us ahead of the chains, has allowed Rivers to game-manage the offense, get the ball out quickly and sustain drives. This is exactly Frank's offensive philosophy and it's been really enjoyable watching this team play.

    Defense too is going well and has taken a big step forward this year. I feel though, were just shy a quality edge rusher that would make this unit consistently dominant. Houston and Autry are solid no doubt, but at times we have struggled to get off the field on 3rd down. But that being said, the defense is have a very good season and have exceeded my expectations. Buckner has been a transformational player for the defense.

    Yesterday puts us 1 step in the playoffs now but also with momentum on our backs. The AFC wildcard weekend will be a dogfight, alot of teams playing very well right now too. But I think this team is capable of winning in January if we can avoid injuries and continue to improve.


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭not_quite_last


    I think the Steelers game will be the litmus test. This team should be able to win there - especially after the Steelers have now lost 2 in a row. But history is on the Steelers side.

    Win that game and the Titans lose to the Packers, and that should be a home game for the wild card round - unless the Jags wreck everything again!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    I think the Steelers game will be the litmus test. This team should be able to win there - especially after the Steelers have now lost 2 in a row. But history is on the Steelers side.

    Win that game and the Titans lose to the Packers, and that should be a home game for the wild card round - unless the Jags wreck everything again!

    Yeah we have a horrendous record against the Steelers and Big Ben. But your right, they have been inconsistent, while we are trajecting upwards. I'm looking forward to that game.

    Colts need to take care of their business at home to the Texans and Jags. Both those teams were routed this weekend and should be straight-forward wins.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭not_quite_last


    letowski wrote: »
    Yeah we have a horrendous record against the Steelers and Big Ben. But your right, they have been inconsistent, while we are trajecting upwards. I'm looking forward to that game.

    Colts need to take care of their business at home to the Texans and Jags. Both those teams were routed this weekend and should be straight-forward wins.

    It should be a good old fashioned defensive battle with the Steelers. Both teams with good defenses and run games. And 2 QB's from the same draft!

    The Texans are now mathematically eliminated from the AFC South and the Wild card chase, so they have nothing to play for now.
    And the Jags are fighting for the first pick.
    The way this team has been beating the teams they should beat this year - apart from the Jags game - they should be ok in both games.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 decolts


    It is hard not to be happy as a Colts fan right now! Rivers has definitely turned a corner in the last few games - you would have to imagine the few wobbles that came from him in the early half of the season were down to the change of team and no pre-season, he's really impressed me as well how he has handled the occasions where he is being pressured and gets his throws off and on target. He just seems to be so smart and can read defences so well and that showed big time last night. I'm delighted to see Taylor showing what he can do, he had his blips earlier in the season and he has come back so strong from that and improved his game. There is no doubting that his vision has come along way in recent weeks and being able to spot the gaps. And then throw Hines into the mix.. I love that guy! He is so reliable and a great partner for Taylor, showed glimpses before this season of what he could do and this season he has just gone to another level. Will be very interesting to see what happens at the end of the season and if they try and keep Mack onboard and have the 3 guys in rotation - no doubting Mack is a top weapon but has just been super unlucky with his injuries.
    As for the defence they are just on another level this season! Buckner is the obvious difference there and he has proven to be a great trade for that 1st round pick but others have really shone as well. Grover Stewart has been immense this season and rightly deserves that new contract, and in the secondary Blackmon and Rhodes have been great additions in there. Rhodes has really brought that secondary along with his experience and has been great value considering he is only there on a 3 million contract for the year.
    I just hope now they don't go and throw away all the good work that has been done up to now by slipping up against texans and jags!


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭not_quite_last


    I've never been a fan of Rivers from his Chargers days, but I agree, once they got a few they got a few games under their belt, he's been doing well. And now he's finding Hilton as well. That'll spread the defense and give the RB's even more room to operate in.

    Taylor really does have seemed to turn the corner. He looks more patient and is finding the gaps. And the pace of him when he hit the gap against the Raiders.
    Love Hines too. I've always liked Wilkins as well. He doesn't have the other RB's pace, but he always makes yards and after his few fumbles the first year, he's been very consistent. So I guess if Mack comes back, he'll be the odd one out.
    But if Mack does come back next year, it really will be a 1-1 punch at RB like Reich said at the start of the season.

    The defense, I think is all down to Buckner. The opposing QBs have to get the ball out a bit quicker, they can't step up as much, it all gives the LBs and DBs less time they have to cover and can attack the ball more.
    And then with the running game working so well, they get to rest as well. The second half of the Packers game, where I think Rogers was on the field for 3 or 6 plays in the 3rd quarter so they were well rested.

    I've only started following the Colts since the early 2000's, but I've always hated the bend/don't break defense they use to play. Had my hopes up when Pagano took over, but thanks to Grigson being terrible with the picks, this is the most confidence I've had in the defense ever. It used to be if the defense was on the field at the end of the game, it meant a loss. Now I have more faith in them getting the stop when it's needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭ger664


    Rivers has got better in finding his targets down field, but clearly the defense is why we have this run going. Second half against the texans was 2-0 with a defensive score. We gave the ball back after the 2 minute warning 6 points up and they got the job done. Same against the packers after the OL went backwards down the field with penalties. Held them to a field goal and then turned them over in OT.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    ger664 wrote: »
    Rivers has got better in finding his targets down field, but clearly the defense is why we have this run going. Second half against the texans was 2-0 with a defensive score. We gave the ball back after the 2 minute warning 6 points up and they got the job done. Same against the packers after the OL went backwards down the field with penalties. Held them to a field goal and then turned them over in OT.

    That's true but there were periods is both those games where the offense played very well. Against the Packers we scored 31 points in regular time, obviously messed up there at the end not finishing them off, but we moved the ball fairly well (300 yards passing +100 yards rushing). The Texans I thought Reich's 4th and 1 call in the redzone and turning down a chance to go two scores ahead was very questionable. We played poorly on offense in the second half but had 24 points on the board in the 1st half.

    There has been consistency issues for sure and also with the playcalling, but I do think were at a much better place than where we were at the start of the season.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    That was a rough loss. It seems crazy that we will finish on 11-5 and not make the playoffs but it’s possible now.

    There is a lot that could be made of our second half performance but I wouldn’t lay it all on the most popular narrative that we got away from the run game. It was quite clear that the Steelers sold out to stop our run in the 2nd, bringing their safety down and often blitzing the nickel too and Rivers understandably checked out of a lot of run plays. Our pass offense played poorly in the 2nd half, that drop by Burton was a killer. Obviously being down to our 5th and 6th choice tackles had a huge bearing on the game, but I didn’t think Reich helped them out as much as he should. I think we have become too reliant on TY and crossers to Pittman, we don’t have enough playmakers in the WR or TE positions to put teams away.

    On defence again it’s that average pass rush and Rock/Carrie’s corner that’s the weakness. Some questionable DPIs (and a no-call OPI) didn’t help but a bit like with Reich and the tackles, I didn’t think Eberflus gave enough help to Rock or Carrie. The Steelers went ahead and exposed our weaknesses there. It’s frustrating, we didn’t need to commit a safety into the box, because they had a crap run game, we should have just stuck to Cover-2 like we always do with help for the corners. Leaving Rock and Carrie on an island against Claypool and Johnson was always a recipe for disaster.

    Overall I though we got well out coached in the 2nd half. I still think there is a decent chance we can make the playoffs, but it’s hard to see the team going very far. We have a solid team, but there just isn’t enough top level talent on the roster to take out any of the big guns imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 decolts


    Really hard loss to take. Definitely most disappointing loss since the Jags loss in week 1.. they were flying in the first half and everything just seemed to be working and when the steelers got the momentum in the second half you just knew what was coming and it is something that had the potential to happen in previous games too but the defence just showed up on those occasions with a game winning play.
    I do think we will make the playoffs but likely to be a one and done if we do get there!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    I wanted to get my thoughts in while their still fresh. That was a tough loss. I had a feeling before the game, that we were going to Buffalo with a bit more hope than expectation. We've been stumbling a bit in recent weeks, while the Bills have been the form team in the NFL. If the game had played out say 23-37, it would be easier to get over, but when we left so much points out there, that's really frustrating. I will say this though, I think its a good sign that were able to go to a very good Buffalo team and play them well for 60mins. We have improved a good bit this year, we had a good year going 11-5 and there is plenty scope to improve again next year.

    I guess looking forward, getting long term solutions at QB and LT are priorites, but I hope both Rivers and Castanzo return. Rivers did give us solid quarterbacking this year overall, played well today and I don't see a ready made replacement that we can replace him with. Finding his succssor will be pivital to the long term success of this team. Defense made massive strides this year. I really only see us short at edge rusher and help opposite Rhodes. Overall, Ballard brought in 6 good starters last offseason (Rivers, Rhodes, Buckner, Taylor, Pittman and Blackmon) and we made a marked improvement. If we can find a couple more next offseason, we definitely have the potential to get back into the post season next year and challenge hard again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 decolts


    Oh man am I gutted! What a massive missed opportunity that was. Like you said if we were beaten by a couple of scores I could take it but having lost by 3 and I think the better team overall it is a hard one to take. The lost points today were unforgivable. 4th and goal from the 4.. take the field goal - I dont like this line Reich uses about the analytics were good for it.. I've heard that way too often over the last couple of seasons! As for Blankenship I'm not sold on him, he had a shaky start to the season which was understandable, good middle part to the season but the last few weeks he has reverted back to his form at the start of the season and you can't have a kicker who you can't fully trust, especially if you wanna to win championships!
    As for Rivers I can see him coming back but only if there isn't anything better on the market for us, he will do a job next season but is he a guy to take the colts to the next level? Personally I'd really like to see Stafford come in, he would be my pick to move us forward.
    I hope they keep Mack and add to the RB strength for next year, Wilkins will move on (hopefully).. Hooker I think will go too, way too many questions marks over him at this stage and that showed when they didn't take the option to extend him before the season started, feel like his attitude just isn't right and don't think missing the season will have improved that.
    They definitely need Castonzo back tho need to be looking for his long term replacement in the draft, and also think Hilton will be back next year.
    I know tomorrow hindsight will set in and ill see a lot of positives from them this season, which there definitely was but I'm just gutted now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭Claude Burgundy


    Great 4th quarter comeback but the 4th down decision near the end of the 1st half was big mistake.

    Will Rivers return ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    Great 4th quarter comeback but the 4th down decision near the end of the 1st half was big mistake.

    Will Rivers return ?

    In my opinion, I think its more likely that we will starting the 2021 season with Rivers than not.

    But I'd only have it at about 55/45. There are alot of options out there that Ballard can persue, but whether they are going to be much of an upgrade will be the question. Aswell as that, if we do persue say a 1st round draft pick at QB, or trade for say Sam Darnold, Rivers could still be signed as the starting (bridge) QB.

    It's annoying hearing all the Carson Wentz talk, yes on the surface it sounds interesting with our QB need and Reich's connection, but I don't see it happening. And if it were to happen, with that fat contract he is owed, I'd want him and Eagles draft pick(s), not us sending draft capital their way. But over all Wentz is taking on too much risk if a team that wants to be competing for SBs.

    The one player that does interest me is Stafford, if the Lions are willing to trade him and start a new chapter with a new HC and QB. But that option may not be even there to begin with.

    After that, honestly there aren't a whole lot of feasible options out there to upgrade. Right now, I think we re-sign Rivers, let Brissett walk and draft a QB in the 1st round to take over from Rivers in 2022.


  • Registered Users Posts: 157 ✭✭Optimus Caesar


    letowski wrote: »
    Right now, I think we re-sign Rivers, let Brissett walk and draft a QB in the 1st round to take over from Rivers in 2022.

    This is exactly what they should do IMHO.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    Anthony Castonzo retired, half expected. Best of luck to him, a very underrated Colt who had a fine 10 year career in the NFL.

    This is a very tricky offseason now for Ballard. Yes we have all our picks and have the 4th in most cap space in the NFL (and that was before AC retired) but there are multiple critical needs for this team. Plus there are going to be a bunch of players up for contract renewal off their rookie deals. I think our resources are kind of limited to be honest.

    QB and LT are obviously the big glaring needs now and preferably we'd like to get them sorted for the long term. It just wouldn't be ideal getting another short term fix at QB and end up going 4 different QBs in 4 years. Ballard also has to weight up trading up in the draft to take a QB, possibly spending further draft capitol used to fix other areas. Also, we have important needs on defense too, getting a good edge rusher and more help at corner. And that's also hoping Xavier Rhodes wants to return too.

    Feels like were in a bit of a hole, I think Ballard will be doing well to put a better team out next season. I could see us going into transition for a year, getting in rookies to take up some of these roles long term. I always knew the Andrew Luck retirement would really come back to bite.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 decolts


    Big loss but was nearly expected at this stage. Injuries were starting to pile up for him so why not finish on his own terms. Will be a massive loss and now they really will be looking to fill that hole in the draft, moreso than what they were initially planning im sure! Question is now will Nelson move out to tackle and they bring in a guard.. definitely something to be thinking about.
    Interesting to see our left tackle for our last couple of games will go on and play again this weekend in the playoffs, Veldheer - first player to play for two teams in the playoffs in the same season and prob last time it will happen! He did a good job for the colts considering he was retired and coaching a high school team up until he got the call from us!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    Kind of funny but also worrying that our biggest and only real needs (QB, LT, Pass rusher and CB) are the most important positions to fill.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    Kind of funny but also worrying that our biggest and only real needs (QB, LT, Pass rusher and CB) are the most important positions to fill.

    Yeah it’s a tricky one. I was kind of hope Castanzo would hang on for another year so we could draft a QB with our 1st round pick, but I think now we will probably kick the can down the road for another year and re-sign Rivers. I think we will take a LT in the 1st round next April.

    On defence I think Rhodes is a priority re-sign given how Rock played this season, we don’t have much depth. I don’t see a situation where Houston and Autry both re-sign here with the cap space available. Id prefer Autry if I’d have to choose. I think we will draft in the 2nd or 3rd round in these positions or sign a FA.

    I don’t think we going to fill all the positional needs, but if we get more solid play from the vets and our rookies go well, we can get back into the playoffs. But the long term outlook at QB position looms large.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    Looks like we’re going to be needing a new QB again this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭Claude Burgundy


    Ya confirmed, Rivers has retired.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    Ya confirmed, Rivers has retired.

    I'm a bit worried about the Colts next year. So many key positions now are vacant. Chris Ballard certainly has his work cut out this spring to fill positions.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 decolts


    In some ways I'm surprised, and other ways I'm not surprised. I didnt think he would make the announcement so soon, and I'm sure the Colts had even said to him they would like him back for another year but that's that! At least this time when we have a retiring QB we can plan for it a bit better than the last time! It's a shame but let the QB hunt begin!

    I don't see them going for someone in the draft, I see a trade coming.. I'd like to think they are looking closely at Stafford and far away from Wentz.. and there is no chance of going near Watson! Interesting couple of months ahead!


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    decolts wrote: »
    In some ways I'm surprised, and other ways I'm not surprised. I didnt think he would make the announcement so soon, and I'm sure the Colts had even said to him they would like him back for another year but that's that! At least this time when we have a retiring QB we can plan for it a bit better than the last time! It's a shame but let the QB hunt begin!

    I don't see them going for someone in the draft, I see a trade coming.. I'd like to think they are looking closely at Stafford and far away from Wentz.. and there is no chance of going near Watson! Interesting couple of months ahead!

    I honestly don't have an idea which way they will go. Last season, when Rivers left the Chargers early in the offseason, it was clearly the obvious move for the Colts to make with his connections with Reich. But this offseason, I don't know what direction we go in. For me, the QB position is always the #1 priority, so preferably, I still want to draft our long term franchise QB this year. Then probably sign a veteran back-up to help the rookie (or possibly re-sign Brissett). I don't think Eason is the answer, but we simply don't know what we have with him.

    Still after that, we need a left tackle, both our starting defensive ends are out of contract and also our wide receiver and outside cornerback. This is going to be tricky. Probably best we re-sign Hilton, Rhodes and one of Autry or Houston, and go into the FA and draft needing a QB, DE and LT.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 decolts


    I just can't see us drafting a QB in the first round with confidence that the QB in question will be the long term solution. Take away Lawrence and Fields and you might see Mac Jones be there at 21.. A lot of question marks around him.. his receivers and rb's really made him look much better QB than maybe he really is! I think they have to be looking at FA or a trade for a QB and also re-sign Brissett. They've said it themselves that Eason isn't in contention for next year (even as a backup I think) but maybe he could squeeze into the backup position, we let Brissett go and free up some money and go from there!
    You are right on our own FA's - Definitely think Hilton and Rhodes need to stay, their experience alone is massive for the team - both real leaders in there. I think they will keep Houston and let Autry go.. definitely a lot of work for Ballard and Co in the coming months tho!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    How do y'all feel about the Carson Wentz trade?

    I have to admit, I had mixed feelings over it. Initially, I don't like that ultimately we won't have a 1st round pick next year. I feel like we overpaid for him a bit.

    I think however, when we look at the other options that we had at QB, I think Wentz represented the most rational option. I think sure, ideally you'd love to trade up and get a franchise QB for the long term, but it just isn't feasible picking at 21 in the draft. And there are not other QBs on the market that can give us even average QB play.

    While I accept that Wentz was arguably the worst QB last year, I think we can get him to a mid tier level QB. I think when you look at his career, its been 3 average, one terrible and one elite season so I think is reasonable to think we can get him playing mid-tier QB football. Especially as Reich knows Wentz well and we have a solid roster.

    I think overall, I've gotten to a stage where I'm OK with the trade. Also keeping the 1 this year is huge given we need to draft a tackle (and its a good tackle class this year). I guess we will see next September how good Wentz is and how we did with this trade.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 decolts


    He probably wouldn't have been my 1st or 2nd choice.. Stafford was my first, and I think I maybe would've risked Darnold as my next choice - there was no way they were going to get a future franchise QB this year in the draft without losing a lot of picks and Ballard would not be the kind of guy to do that!

    Now that it has happened I'm going to try and be as positive as possible about it! It is great we still have our first rounder this year and that will very likely be our new LT.. and maybe we will even trade to a later 1st round pick, get the same guy and get some more draft picks for later.. High probability of that one happening I would say! If we give up a 1st rounder next year for Wentz I think I can accept that if we have a good run this season, get to the playoffs, and it would possibly be a high 1st round pick anyway so might not make a big difference. And if he isnt working out by the half way point of the season then it might be time to start reducing his snap count and giving whoever the backup is a chance..

    If our OL can protect Wentz, that should help reduce the injuries and I think Reich might be the man to get his confidence back then we might just see a good Carson Wentz this season.. maybe not near the level he was at a few years ago but an improvement maybe on Rivers which would might be a big ask but he should be capable of it!

    I am glad the QB situation has been sorted though, now they can focus fully on FA, and the draft and they have a much clearer picture of their cap space.. maybe a couple of big spends in FA? And maybe Hilton will go.. let's see!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,148 ✭✭✭letowski


    decolts wrote: »
    He probably wouldn't have been my 1st or 2nd choice.. Stafford was my first, and I think I maybe would've risked Darnold as my next choice - there was no way they were going to get a future franchise QB this year in the draft without losing a lot of picks and Ballard would not be the kind of guy to do that!

    Now that it has happened I'm going to try and be as positive as possible about it! It is great we still have our first rounder this year and that will very likely be our new LT.. and maybe we will even trade to a later 1st round pick, get the same guy and get some more draft picks for later.. High probability of that one happening I would say! If we give up a 1st rounder next year for Wentz I think I can accept that if we have a good run this season, get to the playoffs, and it would possibly be a high 1st round pick anyway so might not make a big difference. And if he isnt working out by the half way point of the season then it might be time to start reducing his snap count and giving whoever the backup is a chance..

    If our OL can protect Wentz, that should help reduce the injuries and I think Reich might be the man to get his confidence back then we might just see a good Carson Wentz this season.. maybe not near the level he was at a few years ago but an improvement maybe on Rivers which would might be a big ask but he should be capable of it!

    I am glad the QB situation has been sorted though, now they can focus fully on FA, and the draft and they have a much clearer picture of their cap space.. maybe a couple of big spends in FA? And maybe Hilton will go.. let's see!

    Yeah I'm glad that all the QB chatter is over. I like following all things COlts on social media, but the overload of QB talk was driving me up the walls. lol

    Looking at cap space, its about $49m so still quite solid. It may go up as the NFL haven't agreed on a final figure, but it will be at least $180m so that $49m is the minimum. I don't expect us to use up all that $49m million because we have some big contracts next year from the 2017 draft class.

    I'd say we will probably make 1 good signing, maybe pass rusher I'd say. Then re-sign TY, Rhodes, Autry, Pascal, Cox, Odum, Muhammad, maybe one or two others. Draft LT and corner. Would be nice to add some receiving weapons for Wentz, we night be able to get him a got TE or WR, but we've good bigger needs at DE, LT and CB imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45 decolts


    letowski wrote: »
    I'd say we will probably make 1 good signing, maybe pass rusher I'd say. Then re-sign TY, Rhodes, Autry, Pascal, Cox, Odum, Muhammad, maybe one or two others. Draft LT and corner. Would be nice to add some receiving weapons for Wentz, we night be able to get him a got TE or WR, but we've good bigger needs at DE, LT and CB imo.

    I agree - there will be one big FA signing.. depends on where they go with TY i think - if they re-sign him then they might go big on a pass rusher.. if he doesnt re-sign then they need to get a WR1 thru FA and there will be plenty there to choose from.. It sounds like Rhodes might be looking for 10m for next year so not sure they will be going with him again.. a similar FA signing for a veteran CB, along with drafting for that position. Be interested to see if they go back to the eagles and look at Ertz..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,543 ✭✭✭Claude Burgundy


    decolts wrote: »
    I agree - there will be one big FA signing.. depends on where they go with TY i think - if they re-sign him then they might go big on a pass rusher.. if he doesnt re-sign then they need to get a WR1 thru FA and there will be plenty there to choose from.. It sounds like Rhodes might be looking for 10m for next year so not sure they will be going with him again.. a similar FA signing for a veteran CB, along with drafting for that position. Be interested to see if they go back to the eagles and look at Ertz..

    I think resigning TY is a must.

    I'm glad the QB saga is over early and they can focus on the rest of the squad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭claresmurf


    Stafford would have been my first choice aswell, but I am happy with Wentz I think he will be an upgrade over Rivers. If anyone can fix him it will be Reich. Rivers cost us a few games last year and I feel Carsons ability to move around in the pocket will be a massive help.

    We need to get him some targets, Allen Robinson would be a great pick up and I think we should re-sign TY. Pittmann looked good towards the end of the year. Drafting a good LT will be important aswell.

    Defense was great last year but we could do with 1 or 2 more stars, even though he is coming off an injury I would love to sign Bud Depree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 Simonko


    I think if we can keep Wentz healthy he can do well for us. If we can get a replacement at LT for Costanzo he'll have a decent oline in front of him and resign TY, there'll be a few decent weapons for him to work with.

    I can see why the conditions were added to next year's draft pick, if he bombs or suffers a serious injury we're only on the hook for the third round pick this year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭not_quite_last


    Simonko wrote: »
    I think if we can keep Wentz healthy he can do well for us. If we can get a replacement at LT for Costanzo he'll have a decent oline in front of him and resign TY, there'll be a few decent weapons for him to work with.

    I can see why the conditions were added to next year's draft pick, if he bombs or suffers a serious injury we're only on the hook for the third round pick this year.

    I believe if he bombs/injured, the Colts are on the hook for a third this year and a second next.
    If he plays 75% of the snaps or 70% and they reach the playoffs, then it's a third this year and a 1st next.
    So whatever happens it'll either be a 2nd or 1st next year with this years first.

    I like Wentz this year more than Rivers last, but Rivers did better than expected, so hopefully Wentz will do better than expected too.
    And if he doesn't, then maybe Eason will get thrown in and we'll see if he has a future at QB.


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