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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3482
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    I would imagine people doing everything they can these days to avoid having to go to hospital. You're basically guaranteed to catch it in most of them now.

    Any truth to that? or are you just bull****ting?
    We had 134 admissions with Covid today, if on a normal day we had only 134 general admissions to hospital, I'd believe you. Otherwise without proof to your guaranteed claim, I'll hold out.


  • #3483
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    majcos wrote: »
    Advice here at the moment advises against vaccine if less than 14 weeks or more than 33 weeks pregnant. There have been reports of increased rates of hospitalisation and severe illness in pregnancy due to Covid compared to women of same age/ health risk but the data on this is limited yet. Also mentioned has been a risk of preterm labour and stillbirths to those who contract Covid during pregnancy.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/advice-on-covid-19-vaccine-for-pregnant-women-published-1.4452363?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fadvice-on-covid-19-vaccine-for-pregnant-women-published-1.4452363

    https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/pregnant-women-with-covid-19-are-less-likely-to-have-symptoms-and-may-more-likely-need-intensive-care/

    No definite data yet in mRNA vaccines in pregnancy but mRNA degrades in a few days and does not become integrated with DNA as some conspiracy theories have suggested. There is some data from pregnant rats on Modena vaccine and appears safe. Some of the participants in the trials have become pregnant and are being monitored.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html

    If a person is low risk and not in frontline, then reasonable for that person to hold off for more information. Harder for pregnant nurses, etc.

    https://www.rcog.org.uk/en/guidelines-research-services/guidelines/coronavirus-pregnancy/covid-19-virus-infection-and-pregnancy/#vaccines

    https://www.rcog.org.uk/en/news/updated-advice-on-covid-19-vaccination-in-pregnancy-and-women-who-are-breastfeeding/

    Pregnant consultant, Laura Durcan, in Galway University Hospital posted on Twitter a photo of herself getting the Pfizer vaccine. Eavan Muldoon who is a consultant in the Mater got it and she is currently breastfeeding.


    Like a lot of medications it's not either tested or recommended for those in first trimester .


  • #3484
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    But there is a difference.

    As the daily numbers are presented hospitalised with covid implies hospitalised because of covid. Implying that its a pretty bad.case, too. Because you wouldnt be in hospital with a light case.

    Someone with a sprained ankle who finds out in hospital they are positive (contracted in hospital or not) are just a random test like everyone else. And most likely dismissed once the sprained ankle is fixed. Not an actual covid hospitalization.

    The hospitalisation figure is used to drive home for months the severity of the situation. It is one of our yardsticks for restrictions and lockdown. If from 100 hospitalisations we have two sprained ankles that is not a problem. But if it was 30 then I think it borders on manipulation to include the figures. It is therefore legitimate to ask. Cant see anything wrong with that.
    The sprained ankle maybe a bad example as that would be treated without a test in A&E and you would be sent home that day, so no test as you would not be admitted.

    The issue arises with the discrepancy between Covid Admissions, Covid discharges, confirmed cases detected in hospital and then the total figure in hospital with covid. They don't add up as we're not privy with the exact details.

    I think just some clarity would be nice. I would assume the admissions on the dashboard are people being admitted solely for Covid symptoms. So for seeing how bad **** is getting, the admissions is a good way to see it.


  • #3485
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Not sure why you're ridiculing it

    Its another stat, about as useful as some of the other myriad stats


    Who's ridiculing?

    What are you talking about , be clear?

    If you mean the 15% , it could be the reason why your relatives surgery's postponed until hospitals Covid free again .


  • #3486
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Any truth to that? or are you just bull****ting?
    We had 134 admissions with Covid today, if on a normal day we had only 134 general admissions to hospital, I'd believe you. Otherwise without proof to your guaranteed claim, I'll hold out.
    I have no idea, I'm just assuming because I'd personally go out of my way to avoid going into hospital now. Same with anyone I know.


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  • #3487
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Who's ridiculing?

    What are you talking about , be clear?

    If you mean the 15% , it could be the reason why your relatives surgery's postponed until hospitals Covid free again .

    The stats on the covid breakdown in hospitals

    I'm not seeing why it's ridiculous

    Patients presenting with covid only

    Patients presenting with something else but testing positive for covid

    Patients acquiring covid in the hospitals


    A lot of the main data we're fed on covid numbers is next to useless anyway, it's wildly inaccurate


  • #3488
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Deleted User wrote: »
    This is looking more and more like an escaped biological weapon. Either deliberately released or by accident. China don't seem to want anyone investigating its origins either.

    Look how many westerners have caught Covid and how hard the Chinese themselves are fighting to suppress the virus in their own population. What if its effecting fertility in people who don't really know they have it. In particular the young.

    The study is of concern but I'm struggling to make the connection between the study result and your leaping conclusion that that somehow means it looks like a biological weapon? China releases weapon on own population first as test run?:confused:

    And just as a side point if you think it's some potentially anti Western conspiracy - many developing countries have shown very widespread seropevalence, much higher than Western countries. So if anything becomes of that study it certainly is not a problem limited to or even more exaggerated in the West.


  • #3489
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    Is this a different uncle to the one who caught it in hospital after coming off his bike a few months back?

    Maybe the searching back through post history tired you out and you overlooked the 'my' versus 'her' part. My uncle before. Her uncle now. Mad isn't it.


  • #3490
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    The sprained ankle maybe a bad example as that would be treated without a test in A&E and you would be sent home that day, so no test as you would not be admitted.

    The issue arises with the discrepancy between Covid Admissions, Covid discharges, confirmed cases detected in hospital and then the total figure in hospital with covid. They don't add up as we're not privy with the exact details.

    I think just some clarity would be nice. I would assume the admissions on the dashboard are people being admitted solely for Covid symptoms. So for seeing how bad **** is getting, the admissions is a good way to see it.


    To be honest as we have said before anybody that can be discharged has or will be .

    High admissions with Covid and increasing numbers of ICU admissions and deaths in hospital at this stage should indicate that it is sick with Covid as opposed to tested with Covid and people are just splitting hairs trying to find a reason for the numbers .

    If anyone wants to go back through the stats and see how many suspected cases each day , these will show either those tested on admission or in hospital .

    However these stats still will not make it clearer to anyone .

    The clusters show infections in hospital though and numbers .

    But epidemiological data has not been published the last few days to my knowledge .


  • #3491
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    I would imagine people doing everything they can these days to avoid having to go to hospital. You're basically guaranteed to catch it in most of them now.
    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    I have no idea, I'm just assuming because I'd personally go out of my way to avoid going into hospital now. Same with anyone I know.

    Gone from guaranteed to assuming.
    Making false assumptions on data is one thing, making assumptions and passing it as a guarantee.... People avoiding going to hospital and you equate that to a guarantee that if you went, you would get infected?


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  • #3492
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    To be honest as we have said before anybody that can be discharged has or will be .

    High admissions with Covid and increasing numbers of ICU admissions and deaths in hospital at this stage should indicate that it is sick with Covid as opposed to tested with Covid and people are just splitting hairs trying to find a reason for the numbers .

    If anyone wants to go back through the stats and see how many suspected cases each day , these will show either those tested on admission or in hospital .

    However these stats still will not make it clearer to anyone .

    The clusters show infections in hospital though and numbers .

    But epidemiological data has not been published the last few days to my knowledge .
    The epidemiology data lately is incomplete, as you can understand with the massive cases.

    It just annoys me when we hear about people assuming a certain amount contracted Covid in hospital. Yes that's true, it's unavoidable when community cases are so high. But each infected patient has to be taken from that ward to a covid ward and take up space in a dedicated ward. They can't be left on their existing ward. 1 more covid patient adds to the risk of infection for HCW's.


  • #3493
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This post is lies .

    You have posted before comments like this but I know which hospitals have the cases flooding in in Dublin , and only Cork has high numbers like you say and that they are all Covid except for a few who tested positive for Covid in hospital .
    If she thinks this is the same as other winters she must be the stupidest , most dangerous doctor and should be reported to the Medical Council right away .





    But she is obviously a fabrication so no worries.

    Quite frankly I don't care what you or anyone else believe. I sporadically post here after scanning through posts. If I have some agenda I'm fairly sh1te at pushing it.

    And she should be reported to the council for not feeling pressure and getting on with her job and just taking what comes at her? Where did I say anything about the hospital situation being the same as any other winter? Think you should read it again. I see her day in and day out. And I know when she has bad days. March and April were like that. She hasn't been like that since.

    Also I must be fairly dedicated to this fictional wife. I set the wheels in motion long before Covid when I've posted about her and her profession years ago. In the fitness forum I believe for those with little else to do. Possibly the parenting one as well.


  • #3494
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Gone from guaranteed to assuming.
    Making false assumptions on data is one thing, making assumptions and passing it as a guarantee.... People avoiding going to hospital and you equate that to a guarantee that if you went, you would get infected?
    I said you would be guaranteed to get covid in hospital now.

    I said I presume people are avoiding hospital.

    Reading comprehension perhaps not a strong suit.


  • #3495
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    I said you would be guaranteed to get covid in hospital now.

    I said I presume people are avoiding hospital.

    Reading comprehension perhaps not a strong suit.

    Just a quick random google says there's 14,000 hospital beds, 10% of those have covid. So when are you expecting us to have 14,000 covid patients in hospital? It's guaranteed as you said.


  • #3496
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    I have no idea, I'm just assuming because I'd personally go out of my way to avoid going into hospital now. Same with anyone I know.

    I can guarantee you it's not a guarantee you'll get COVID
    Not even all of healthcare workers, even in departments that don't wear full PPE, would all have got COVID and they are in hospitals all day every day.


  • #3497
    Datacore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Datacore


    I am wondering how long this is going to take to bring back under control again? If we're allegedly locked down now, we should see a fall I am assuming within about 7 to 10 days?

    How long did it take in Belgium? It seems to be the only comparable massive spike

    There's just no way the hospitals are going to be able to handle what's coming this week. It looks like we may have to brace for a really bad few weeks. I just can't really see this having anything other than an extremely negative outcome. We aren't going to have any ICU capacity within probably a few more days at most and then what?

    I just cannot believe how bad this has become in such a short time. I realise it grows exponentially but it's just depressing to think that the whole thing was driven by an inability to cop on over Christmas both domestically and with incoming home visitors from UK hotpots.

    We also urgently need to get past the notion that there's a competition between controlling the virus and a healthy economy. The two are not mutually incompatible goals and I think we've idiotically bought into some American political war lines that has lead to a false dichotomy becoming an accepted point of view.

    I'm still seeing prominent Irish business types taking very over simplistic views on this.

    The reality is if we don't control the virus we won't have an economy. All this stuff about reopening tourism is utter pie-in-the-sky nonsense. Unless we can guarantee a safe environment, we don't have any tourism. Pretty much everyone now has travel advisories out about not visiting Ireland due to the frighteningly high COVID-19 spike.

    We're going to do ourselves huge reputational damage, as a sensible place to do business, too if we drive these kinds of spikes.

    You can blame Government policy, but the whole reopen the pubs line and pushing endlessly to get a 'meaningful Christmas' was as much driven by the public as it was anyone else.

    We cannot afford to run a 4th and a 5th wave. This has to be calmed down or we will completely wreck the country's prospects as well as cause a lot of avoidable deaths.

    Nobody can pin all their hopes on the vaccines in the short term either. They're going to take months to rollout fully.

    It's frightening though that we managed to screw this up so badly when the prospect of having had the most vulnerable vaccinated was only a matter of weeks away. We should have moved the focus to Patrick's Day and maybe moved that into the summer and just aimed to have a quiet xmas.

    The way things are going, I would also suspect the idea of reopening the schools in less than 3 weeks in February is probably extremely over ambitious. Let's be realistic. If we can get them open by sometime after 17th March we'll be doing well.

    The reality is we don't know what the prospects for this thing is. We need to play it by ear and we need to stop making hard date-based plans. It's dangerous and frustrating to continue to raise false hopes about things.


  • #3498
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,507 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Can't wait for the next election. If anyone from FF / FG / G knocks at the door I'll hold them personally responsible for the mismanagement of this crisis. Because of their decisions my kids can't go to school.

    Pure and simple.
    Oh yeah, I reckon SF and PBP would have been awesome during this pandemic...I mean they can't produce a budget but this they would have knocked out of the park.


  • #3499
    charlietheminxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,579 ✭✭✭charlietheminxx


    biggebruv wrote: »
    Visited a dying relative of covid had the full PPE gear but I wasn’t asked to self isolate I am a bit concerned now though if I should get the test

    It doesn’t look like anyone else replied to you. You should isolate for 14 days to be on the safe side. They aren’t testing contacts at the moment, and with full PPE I don’t even think you’re considered a close contact. You’ll only be tested if you develop symptoms. I’m sorry for what you’re going through.


  • #3500
    eastie17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 589 ✭✭✭eastie17


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Oh yeah, I reckon SF and PBP would have been awesome during this pandemic...I mean they can't produce a budget but this they would have knocked out of the park.

    They won’t have to go to school under SF PBP, everyone can just take up a career on social welfare under their manifestos. Not sure who’s going to pay for it but that will probably be someone else’s problem


  • #3501
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,729 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Surprising that .

    Did he / she have a good reason ?

    Recent infection or trying for a baby ?

    Would be quite a few people who will have to wait for these reasons .

    No, nothing like that. They figured they weren’t medically high risk, so it wouldn’t change much for them. Said they’d wait a bit longer to see how everyone else got on with it!


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  • #3502
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    This is interesting from the U.K. estimates that 12.5m people have had Covid.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/jan/10/one-in-five-have-had-coronavirus-in-england-new-modelling-says?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


  • #3503
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    This is interesting from the U.K. estimates that 12.5m people have had Covid.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2021/jan/10/one-in-five-have-had-coronavirus-in-england-new-modelling-says?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

    England :)

    But yeah, that's 20% of the population, crazy.


  • #3504
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    England :)

    But yeah, that's 20% of the population, crazy.

    Seen 10% quoted yesterday

    Take all these numbers with a pinch of salt


  • #3505
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Current hospitalisations at 1,499 according to RTE there, but 1,426 on Data Hub
    ??


  • #3506
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Oh yeah, I reckon SF and PBP would have been awesome during this pandemic...I mean they can't produce a budget but this they would have knocked out of the park.

    And let's be honest.

    The cases were popping up everywhere in the weeks before Xmas.

    I reckon the schools were closing anyway as there was a lot of unhappy teachers and parents.


  • #3507
    Dempo1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,111 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Current hospitalisations at 1,499 according to RTE there, but 1,426 on Data Hub
    ??

    1575 now, according to chief opporations officer at the HSE, pat Kenny on newstalk

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • #3508
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Oh yeah, I reckon SF and PBP would have been awesome during this pandemic...I mean they can't produce a budget but this they would have knocked out of the park.

    Sorry I can't respond I'm in a hurry, I have to drop the kids off for school.......
    oh wait, I don't.

    Panic over. I agree with you that there are not great alternatives unfortunately. Why couldn't the ones in gov stand up to the lobby groups? Why did it take 10 months to introduce airport checks. We are supposed to be a rich country. The fact hospital care is now emergency only and our schools cannot open is an abject failure however you look at it.


  • #3509
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    1575 now, according to chief opporations officer at the HSE, pat Kenny on newstalk

    Up 149 on yesterday, but Hub says 104 admissions.
    Does that mean 45 cases detected in hospital after admission?

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1348560155898744832


  • #3510
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Wesekn. wrote: »
    Seen 10% quoted yesterday

    Take all these numbers with a pinch of salt

    More or less of a pinch of salt than the published case numbers?


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  • #3511
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    1575 now, according to chief opporations officer at the HSE, pat Kenny on newstalk

    It's not slowing yet..Doubling time ~5 days. It is exponential unfortunately. if it keeps going. Hope HCWs can weather it.

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