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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3452
    BringBackMick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,100 ✭✭✭BringBackMick


    froog wrote: »
    Why do all your pregnant health care worker friends think astrazenaca is safer?

    It’s a more traditional vaccine, no fiddling with RNA etc.

    I stopped listening after a bit as sounded like shiiiite but this lady says people she knows in child bearing age are not taking up the offer of current vaccines and I’ve heard same of 3 different colleagues


  • #3453
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,783 ✭✭✭✭josip


    If NI ICUs reach capacity, will our hospitals in border counties help out?


  • #3454
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    josip wrote: »
    If NI ICUs reach capacity, will our hospitals in border counties help out?

    They are treating patients in ambulances in Letterkenny so I'd doubt it


  • #3455
    Doc07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭Doc07


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Anyone know of the uptake of the vaccine amongst HCWs? I know one doctor anyway who was offered the vaccine, but declined.

    They are jumping over each other to get it. Only
    Joking they Q patiently but any feedback I have over last week is they can’t get it fast enough.
    Your friend I think is in a tiny minority.


  • #3456
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Lots of pregnant HCW I know are asking to hold out for AstraZeneca as not 100% confident these moderna and Pfizer wont affect the foetus
    Advice here at the moment advises against vaccine if less than 14 weeks or more than 33 weeks pregnant. There have been reports of increased rates of hospitalisation and severe illness in pregnancy due to Covid compared to women of same age/ health risk but the data on this is limited yet. Also mentioned has been a risk of preterm labour and stillbirths to those who contract Covid during pregnancy.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/advice-on-covid-19-vaccine-for-pregnant-women-published-1.4452363?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fadvice-on-covid-19-vaccine-for-pregnant-women-published-1.4452363

    https://www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/pregnant-women-with-covid-19-are-less-likely-to-have-symptoms-and-may-more-likely-need-intensive-care/

    No definite data yet in mRNA vaccines in pregnancy but mRNA degrades in a few days and does not become integrated with DNA as some conspiracy theories have suggested. There is some data from pregnant rats on Modena vaccine and appears safe. Some of the participants in the trials have become pregnant and are being monitored.

    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/recommendations/pregnancy.html

    If a person is low risk and not in frontline, then reasonable for that person to hold off for more information. Harder for pregnant nurses, etc.

    https://www.rcog.org.uk/en/guidelines-research-services/guidelines/coronavirus-pregnancy/covid-19-virus-infection-and-pregnancy/#vaccines

    https://www.rcog.org.uk/en/news/updated-advice-on-covid-19-vaccination-in-pregnancy-and-women-who-are-breastfeeding/

    Pregnant consultant, Laura Durcan, in Galway University Hospital posted on Twitter a photo of herself getting the Pfizer vaccine. Eavan Muldoon who is a consultant in the Mater got it and she is currently breastfeeding.


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  • #3457
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Psychedelic Hedgehog wrote: »
    I know of one HCW and one pharmacist who both think that the virus is, and I quote from the HCW, 'a load of bull'. Unfortunately I'm related to the HCW.

    As my Dad said, intelligence and common sense are two completely different things.

    I can believe all that. On a trip in the sun pre Covid travel ban etc I observed this young woman getting perilously burnt by the pool, as she chain-smoked. Got talking to her later at the bar, where she had a few too many and she said "I saw you looking at me in horror at the pool, I know I'm silly and I've let my hair down.. but in real life back in England I'm a doctor telling my patients not to do everything I've been doing". I said I didn't mean to be staring but I was alarmed at the developing sunburn and feeling the pain having done that myself severely twice over!


  • #3458
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Dempo1 wrote: »
    There is I'm afraid, it's called the HSE, absolutely inept, if our hospital system can't cope with an additional 1400 patients, what hope have we got with this shower, seriously.

    They just seem to make it up as they go along, Paul Reid spouting further excuses today, its just astonishing.


    But vaccination isn't just the HSE, it is GPs, district nurses, pharmacists.
    As I said they do flu vaccines each year in a couple of months, I cannot quite find data on how many they did this year but they were aiming for 2 million.
    Why do you believe they can do this and not Covid jabs?


  • #3459
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I can believe all that. On a trip in the sun pre Covid travel ban etc I observed this young woman getting perilously burnt by the pool, as she chain-smoked. Got talking to her later at the bar, where she had a few too many and she said "I saw you looking at me in horror at the pool, I know I'm silly and I've let my hair down.. but in real life back in England I'm a doctor telling my patients not to do everything I've been doing". I said I didn't mean to be staring but I was alarmed at the developing sunburn and feeling the pain having done that myself severely twice over!

    Perhaps that is different than a belief that a health crisis isn't happening.

    For example I know that eating badly and having an erratic sleep routine messes with my head but sometimes I do it. The doctor you witnessed was letting go while still knowing and believing in the medicine she practises.


  • #3460
    Oscar Bravo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,440 ✭✭✭✭Oscar Bravo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    At this point in time, there are three Ryanair flights over the Irish Sea destined for these shores. All those lectures about having to exercise great caution and treat our fellow humans as pariahs...meanwhile here comes a fresh batch of the more transmissible British Covid variant. I despair.

    No,theres not. All thats inbound Dublin is the regular flight from Bacau and an Aer lingus from Madrid.


  • #3461
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    bloopy wrote: »
    Is it known whether the numbers are admissions because of covid or is it admissions which are later discovered to have covid?


    I don't know why someone would even say this !

    Why do you think people are suddenly flooding into hospitals all over the country ?

    With sprained ankles or what ?


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  • #3462
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I don't know why someone would even say this !

    Why do you think people are suddenly flooding into hospitals all over the country ?

    With sprained ankles or what ?

    It is a fact that there is a fairly significant amount of the 1,499 currently in hospitals with Covid that picked it up while in hospital for something else, rather than getting admitted with severe Covid symptoms. Looking at the daily increase in total hospitalised number vs the daily admissions/discharges shows that.

    That doesn't mean there isn't a problem, it's just being factual. It is unclear as to how many of the 1,499 covid hospital cases actually have severe covid and are hospitalised because of covid as the HSE do not release that data.


  • #3463
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Oh my God!

    Try and be patient with people :)


  • #3464
    Mervyn Skidmore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,210 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    At this point in time, there are three Ryanair flights over the Irish Sea destined for these shores. All those lectures about having to exercise great caution and treat our fellow humans as pariahs...meanwhile here comes a fresh batch of the more transmissible British Covid variant. I despair.
    I'd be more fearful for the passengers, they're flying into the most virus ridden place in Europe.


  • #3465
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I don't know why someone would even say this !

    Why do you think people are suddenly flooding into hospitals all over the country ?

    With sprained ankles or what ?

    Are you saying that no one gets sick anymore only from covid? No appendicitis or anything, no? All the myriad reasons people used to go to hospital for, None of it happening, no?


  • #3466
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,178 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Apparently New Zealand have declared themselves Covid19 free
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #3467
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    ixoy wrote: »
    Multiple stories going around of admin staff getting it ahead of the likes of nurses and doctors, despite the former being in the fourth group. On one level, yes - it's probably got to do with giving it out to who is available. On the other hand, why on earth wasn't it scheduled to give it to nurses and doctors first? Seems a few only found out about it after the vaccines were gone, which smacks of complete incompetence on management's side.


    The problem is getting a window to get off to get a vaccine .

    I had to go in in a day off and so did many more , as we were only going to have the vaccine in house for a couple of days .

    There isn't a continuous supply left in pharmacy fridges in the hospitals .

    It is now getting nearly too busy for the staff that need it to get off in time for their allocated shot , and as it can't be wasted it is given to whomever is available .

    IT IS A SXXXSHOW ATM


  • #3468
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    I've mentioned it here a number of times as I get it first hand from my wife. A lot are the numbers are not people coming in with symptoms related to Covid and end up hospitalised. They are acquired in hospital. In her hospital there are over 100 with covid in general beds. She said a majority were in for other ailments. Her own uncle is one of those included in the figures. Ended up in hospital with pneumonia. Shook that and then got covid.

    The ICU in her hospital is pretty much people moved to ICU while already admitted to hospital for either something else and acquired covid. Or came in with bad covid symptoms and were eventually moved. She didn't do a survey or nothing. But said the age of those in ICU would be quite old. Not to imply that makes it ok or anything. You just don't see much stats for the age profile of those in ICU and I've seen the question asked her a few times.

    In her own words, the pressure is just the same as most winters. Not much phases her and of course every medical professional can have a different take. She said it's the effect it is having on treatments and patients overall that gets to her the most. She can't do what herself and colleagues want to do because of covid dominating so much.


    This post is lies .

    You have posted before comments like this but I know which hospitals have the cases flooding in in Dublin , and only Cork has high numbers like you say and that they are all Covid except for a few who tested positive for Covid in hospital .
    If she thinks this is the same as other winters she must be the stupidest , most dangerous doctor and should be reported to the Medical Council right away .





    But she is obviously a fabrication so no worries.


  • #3469
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Anyone know of the uptake of the vaccine amongst HCWs? I know one doctor anyway who was offered the vaccine, but declined.


    Surprising that .

    Did he / she have a good reason ?

    Recent infection or trying for a baby ?

    Would be quite a few people who will have to wait for these reasons .


  • #3470
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    This post is lies .

    You have posted before comments like this but I know which hospitals have the cases flooding in in Dublin , and only Cork has high numbers like you say and that they are all Covid except for a few who tested positive for Covid in hospital .
    If she thinks this is the same as other winters she must be the stupidest , most dangerous doctor and should be reported to the Medical Council right away .





    But she is obviously a fabrication so no worries.
    I think the HSE should be open about the number in hospital with hospital acquired covid and those admitted with Covid. They need to dispel this myth that it's all people going in with a sprain and testing positive or being infected in hospital which is causing hospital numbers to rise.

    And those who think hospital acquired covid or admitted for a sprain and testing positive somehow makes the strain on hospitals less serious is ridiculous. They still take up a bed, they can still have serious issues with the disease and they are still infectious!


  • #3471
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I think the HSE should be open about the number in hospital with hospital acquired covid and those admitted with Covid. They need to dispel this myth that it's all people going in with a sprain and testing positive or being infected in hospital which is causing hospital numbers to rise.

    And those who think hospital acquired covid or admitted for a sprain and testing positive somehow makes the strain on hospitals less serious is ridiculous. They still take up a bed, they can still have serious issues with the disease and they are still infectious!


    Well , a sprain would be discharged home with a crutch and bandage, and told to take paracetamol at this point !

    Yes if someone is genuinely ill and needs hospitalisation, testing Covid positive will not only complicate things as regards beds but also their illness may very well be complicated and recovery longer .

    Surgery on Covid positive patients Carrie's an increased risk of about 15% of a bad outcome or death , because of thromboembolitic and pneumonia complications .

    Have to say that post I was replying to was a guy who has been repeatedly denying any illness in hospital from Covid and quoting according to him the word of his wife ,a doctor working in some fictional hospital .




    Honestly ridiculous questions from some here basically trolling .

    Not you , but in fairness this thread has been very annoying tonight .


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  • #3472
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    Are you saying that no one gets sick anymore only from covid? No appendicitis or anything, no? All the myriad reasons people used to go to hospital for, None of it happening, no?


    No . Of course not . All the reasons yes admitted if necessary . All happening yes .



    But not flooding in as Covid is .
    As I think any sane person would realise if they were to pick up a paper or turn on their TV or phone for news .


  • #3473
    Denny61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 875 ✭✭✭Denny61


    People who go in to hospital for covid tests and have no symptoms but come up positive. Are they not kept in ...


  • #3474
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Well , a sprain would be discharged home with a crutch and bandage, and told to take paracetamol at this point !

    Yes if someone is genuinely ill and needs hospitalisation, testing Covid positive will not only complicate things as regards beds but also their illness may very well be complicated and recovery longer .

    Surgery on Covid positive patients Carrie's an increased risk of about 15% of a bad outcome or death , because of thromboembolitic and pneumonia complications .



    Honestly ridiculous questions from some here basically trolling .

    Not you , but in fairness this thread has been very annoying tonight .

    It's not just this thread. I use to seek refuge in the vaccination thread, but that's getting very toxic lately. Before it was a nice place for facts and very informed discussion. The relaxation thread I refuse to even read!


  • #3475
    Wesekn.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 120 ✭✭Wesekn.


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Well , a sprain would be discharged home with a crutch and bandage, and told to take paracetamol at this point !

    Yes if someone is genuinely ill and needs hospitalisation, testing Covid positive will not only complicate things as regards beds but also their illness may very well be complicated and recovery longer .

    Surgery on Covid positive patients Carrie's an increased risk of about 15% of a bad outcome or death , because of thromboembolitic and pneumonia complications .



    Honestly ridiculous questions from some here basically trolling .

    Not you , but in fairness this thread has been very annoying tonight .

    Not sure why you're ridiculing it

    Its another stat, about as useful as some of the other myriad stats


  • #3476
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    I would imagine people doing everything they can these days to avoid having to go to hospital. You're basically guaranteed to catch it in most of them now.


  • #3477
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,975 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Try and be patient with people :)


    Can't help it ..sorry ..

    Losing my patience here with some so am off:D


  • #3478
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Denny61 wrote: »
    People who go in to hospital for covid tests and have no symptoms but come up positive. Are they not kept in ...

    Why would someone go into hospital for a covid test?
    That's the worst place to have a testing facility, hence why they don't have a testing facility. They test patients.


  • #3479
    biggebruv
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭biggebruv


    Visited a dying relative of covid had the full PPE gear but I wasn’t asked to self isolate I am a bit concerned now though if I should get the test


  • #3480
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Can't help it ..sorry ..

    Losing my patience here with some so am off:D

    Don't let fools wind ya up here. Take a breath and walk away.
    You know your opinion is valued here by a lot of us, do not let the minority piss ya off!


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  • #3481
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,308 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I think the HSE should be open about the number in hospital with hospital acquired covid and those admitted with Covid. They need to dispel this myth that it's all people going in with a sprain and testing positive or being infected in hospital which is causing hospital numbers to rise.

    And those who think hospital acquired covid or admitted for a sprain and testing positive somehow makes the strain on hospitals less serious is ridiculous. They still take up a bed, they can still have serious issues with the disease and they are still infectious!

    But there is a difference.

    As the daily numbers are presented hospitalised with covid implies hospitalised because of covid. Implying that its a pretty bad.case, too. Because you wouldnt be in hospital with a light case.

    Someone with a sprained ankle who finds out in hospital they are positive (contracted in hospital or not) are just a random test like everyone else. And most likely dismissed once the sprained ankle is fixed. Not an actual covid hospitalization.

    The hospitalisation figure is used to drive home for months the severity of the situation. It is one of our yardsticks for restrictions and lockdown. If from 100 covid hospitalisations we have 2 that are really only sprained ankles that is not a problem. But if it was 30 then I think it borders on manipulation to include the figures. It is therefore legitimate to ask. Cant see anything wrong with that.


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