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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #3332
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Wombatman wrote: »
    Will you get out of here with that sh1te. Post reported.

    Complete wind up at this stage. Mission accomplished. Nobody is talking about the crisis unfolding in our hospitals or the dodgy private hospital deal.


  • #3333
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1348327843038699527?s=19

    Yeah, I'd take that as a positive way of spinning that they are 1 to 2 days behind. Anyway, we don't know and we won't know until swabs at 3 pm tomorrow


  • #3334
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1348327843038699527?s=19

    it literally doesn't add up though.


  • #3335
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    froog wrote: »
    it literally doesn't add up though.

    24-48 hour delay can be 10k swabs (looking at Friday and Saturday cases).


  • #3336
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    StevenToast wrote: »
    You mean everyone vaccinated by end of summer 2022 more like
    No, it should speed up as supplies come in. We can't do much more than 40K a week now. Moderna adds another 10K and Oxford and Jannsen should boost it too. Then there's the extra from Pfizer from Q2. Aim of the plan is for summer/autumn of this year. Some more detailed breakdowns on vaccines thread on all of this.


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  • #3337
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    Miike wrote: »
    And where will all of this testing capacity come from? Are you going to buy the PCR reagents, PCR machine and start testing everyone? We are a tiny country with finite resources. We have moved mountains to ensure testing is ramped up and remains accurate and most importantly safe. If you don't understand what it takes to get PCR testing up and running, you forfeit your right to remark on it (in my genuine opinion).

    When positive cases are this high we can not afford to drain resources on testing all close contacts. This is where the element of personal responsibility plays a role; for you see we're now at around 6+ close contacts per case up from 2 not so long ago but keep banging the Tony Holohan drum, it's all his fault sure isn't it? Anything to absolve ourselves of any level of personal responsibility lest we be forced to introspect.

    If you don't care about epidemic control why do you care about daily cases? You seem very irate for someone who "doesn't care".

    I understand we don’t have infinite capacity and I get what your saying but we can’t be carrying out restrictions and lockdowns on case numbers when we’re actually unable to quantify them correctly.

    I’ve always been of the opinion that any restrictions and lockdowns should only be based on hospital admissions with covid complications only and ICU numbers.

    You can’t beat the population with case numbers because with the inaccuracies cases should be treated as just cases.


  • #3338
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Can't wait for the next election. If anyone from FF / FG / G knocks at the door I'll hold them personally responsible for the mismanagement of this crisis. Because of their decisions my kids can't go to school.

    Pure and simple.


  • #3339
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Just saw a report on RTE news on a carting training in Co Louth . Why were these people out and about when we are all supposed to stay at home unless absolutely essential ?


  • #3340
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »

    I’ve always been of the opinion that any restrictions and lockdowns should only be based on hospital admissions with covid complications only and ICU numbers.
    .

    If you wait for hospital admissions to tick up before you act, you're way too late and you'll probably reflectively lose your health system for months


  • #3341
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Water2021 wrote: »
    Get used to it

    We won't do zero covid like Australia

    Reality is that we didn't do most things like Australia. If we had, there would have been page after page of howls of rage in places like this about the harshness of the massive number of on the spot fines imposed for breaches of Covid regulations. So far, I don't think anyone has been significantly fined for flagrant breaches, like wet pubs open for lock in business, or even open at all in breach of the plan.

    Here, a spineless government issues unclear "advice", and left the Gardai with no clear guidance or powers to enforce restrictions, with the result that huge numbers of people went to places like Spain (and brought back Covid when they came home, as evidenced by the number of people who were tested and found to have that strain), or had house parties, or went up into the Wicklow and Kerry hills this weekend for their "walk", the list is endless, and the Government still does nothing to make it clear with enforcement that the attitude of some is why things are where they are today.

    I just hope that the ICU doctors are not placed in the invidious position of having to make decisions about who they can or cannot treat in ICU beds, because of shortages.

    I really don't want another summer of restrictions of the sort we saw last year, but if people don't cop on and do what's needed, STAY AT HOME, then this summer and possibly longer is another bust, even with vaccine coming on stream.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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  • #3342
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,114 ✭✭✭prunudo


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Just saw a report on RTE news on a carting training in Co Louth . Why were these people out and about when we are all supposed to stay at home unless absolutely essential ?

    Whats carting training?


  • #3343
    Pitch n Putt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 581 ✭✭✭Pitch n Putt


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    If you wait for hospital admissions to tick up before you act, you're way too late and you'll probably reflectively lose your health system for months

    Losing our health system for months is nothing new for us sadly.


  • #3344
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Can't wait for the next election. If anyone from FF / FG / G knocks at the door I'll hold them personally responsible for the mismanagement of this crisis. Because of their decisions my kids can't go to school.

    Pure and simple.

    Stuff like this is playing out all over Europe.

    For better or worse we are looking at massive political upheaval.


  • #3345
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    Pitch n Putt wrote: »
    I understand we don’t have infinite capacity and I get what your saying but we can’t be carrying out restrictions and lockdowns on case numbers when we’re actually unable to quantify them correctly.

    I’ve always been of the opinion that any restrictions and lockdowns should only be based on hospital admissions with covid complications only and ICU numbers.

    You can’t beat the population with case numbers because with the inaccuracies cases should be treated as just cases.

    This 'lockdown' (I'm withered from this term) was based not solely on daily cases but projections from foremost experts in their fields and advanced modelling data showing this is spirally out of control at a harrowing rate. We are not far away from consuming our entire surge capacity (weeks at most). This requires radical measures. When numbers begin to stabilise we will change our testing criteria once more where close contacts will begin to get tested again. The change in the testing algorithm is to keep enough capacity to test symptomatic cases, identify clusters and implement measures of control. This is a temporary measure and it's quite dynamic.

    If you think about it - the quite stringent and narrow testing criteria revealing what it's revealing is of utmost concern. This is the amount of actual symptomatic people in the population, that's scary. I attended an online seminar by the RCSI a few weeks ago which depicted that from the data at that time approximately 1 in 10 close contacts would translate into a positive case of COVID19; if we can get all of those close contacts to just operate on the assumption they are positive (for the time being) we can drive down our infection rates without having the system absolutely crippled. That approximately 1 in 10 stat was pre-Christmas data. I imagine this is substantially higher now.


  • #3346
    vienne86
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    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Yeah, I'd take that as a positive way of spinning that they are 1 to 2 days behind. Anyway, we don't know and we won't know until swabs at 3 pm tomorrow

    That's exact what I am thinking.


  • #3347
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭jams100


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    I just hope that the ICU doctors are not placed in the invidious position of having to make decisions about who they can or cannot treat in ICU beds, because of shortages.

    I really don't want another summer of restrictions of the sort we saw last year, but if people don't cop on and do what's needed, STAY AT HOME, then this summer and possibly longer is another bust, even with vaccine coming on stream.

    Not advocating this but the more people who get it the more people who are immune to it...that with vaccines if they'd hurry the f**k up with them means there is a chance of normality by July/August with maybe a gradual opening up from late Feb/early March


  • #3348
    ninebeanrows
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Can't wait for the next election. If anyone from FF / FG / G knocks at the door I'll hold them personally responsible for the mismanagement of this crisis. Because of their decisions my kids can't go to school.

    Pure and simple.

    We all know this crisis would have been managed perfectly with Mary Lou, Brid Smith and Paul Murphy at the helm.


  • #3349
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    We all know this crisis would have been managed perfectly with Mary Lou, Brid Smith and Paul Murphy at the helm.
    Then only the rich would have caught it!


  • #3350
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Stuff like this is playing out all over Europe.

    For better or worse we are looking at massive political upheaval.

    I guess I'm a weirdo that I put the education of my children above the availability of takeaway pints. Call me crazy.

    (500ml cans are available in the supermarket for 1/5th the price before someone mentions alcohol withdrawal)


  • #3351
    [Deleted User]
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    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Stuff like this is playing out all over Europe.

    For better or worse we are looking at massive political upheaval.

    Because overthrowing the political order in Europe after the Spanish flu worked out well


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  • #3352
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,249 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    prunudo wrote: »
    Whats carting training?

    I had no idea myself but it was a report on a girl who does carting on a track and wants to compete in Europe .


  • #3353
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,439 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Water2021 wrote: »
    If you look at it that way

    There is no pandemic

    Population 2019 7.92 billion
    Population 2020 8.01 billion

    No excess death in the world, population grew

    Lazy trolling, banned

    Moderator: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual & Transgender, Vegan & Vegetarian

    Category Moderator: Social & Fun



  • #3354
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Because overthrowing the political order in Europe after the Spanish flu worked out well

    Are you trying to end the thread? :pac:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

    Godwin's law, short for Godwin's law (or rule) of Nazi analogies,[1][2] is an Internet adage asserting that "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1".[2][3] That is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare someone or something to Adolf Hitler or his deeds, the point at which effectively the discussion or thread ends.


  • #3355
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Is it ethical to profit in a pandemic? discuss....... I'm not sure.

    Particularly interested in the opinions of contrarians with recently created accounts.

    https://twitter.com/RBoydBarrett/status/1348239220217950208?s=20

    I think it would be more dangerous a disincentive for Govt. to assume they can rely on private health facilities. This should be a wake up call that they need to invest properly in a decent public service with appropriate capacity. Private hospitals shouldn't be the solution for public health requirements, so hopefully lessons will be learned. Until then, they need to pay for it.


  • #3356
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Can't wait for the next election. If anyone from FF / FG / G knocks at the door I'll hold them personally responsible for the mismanagement of this crisis. Because of their decisions my kids can't go to school.

    Pure and simple.

    If you think about that really though, you'll accept yourw being naive. There really isn't much alternative other than quacks.


  • #3357
    JTMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Lollipop95 wrote: »
    When do you all think the level 5 restrictions will be lifted? Could it go past February/March?

    Easter and Paddy's day will guide dates for lifting restrictions ...

    I would guess that schools and construction will reopen in Mid February. I would guess that gyms and non-essential retail will reopen on 1 March.

    I can't see hospitality been allowed reopen before Paddy's day. I would guess that some (maybe outdoor) limited hospitality will be allowed from the week after Paddy's week.

    Easter is early this year on 4 April. We cannot afford the same Christmas type mess up all over again on Easter Sunday. I would guess that allowing 2 households mix will be shortly after Easter.

    I would guess 1 May for several households mixing and indoor hospitality.


  • #3358
    [Deleted User]
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Are you trying to end the thread? :pac:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

    ‘‘Twas an observation on the changing of the political order in Europe in the 1920s and it was so much more than just the emergence of national socialism. Unprecedented events require unprecedented action but not necessarily the complete replacement of existing structures


  • #3359
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    If you think about that really though, you'll accept yourw being naive. There really isn't much alternative other than quacks.

    Fair enough, I'm not affiliated with any party nor trying to push a political agenda.

    Just want us to handle this better so kids can go to school and hospitals can function for elective care and non emergency.

    Seriously though they'll be judged on the policies not on the allegiance of their civil war founding predecessors.

    Top of the list will be how to keep kids in school and not repeat this **** show.

    MM was right for prioritising it and did well but the situation has changed.


  • #3360
    [Deleted User]
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I guess I'm a weirdo that I put the education of my children above the availability of takeaway pints. Call me crazy.

    (500ml cans are available in the supermarket for 1/5th the price before someone mentions alcohol withdrawal)

    If you think takeaway pints has caused the spike which has led to schools being closed...


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  • #3361
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    County cases per day average over the last two weeks.

    Dublin 1,421
    Cork 520
    Limerick 262
    Louth 203
    Donegal 160
    Meath 159
    Wexford 154
    Kildare 154
    Waterford 137
    Galway 136
    Clare 115
    Monaghan 111
    Kerry 112
    Mayo 109
    Tipperary 88
    Kilkenny 82
    Cavan 81
    Wicklow 62
    Sligo 53
    Carlow 53
    Laois 51
    Offaly 50
    Westmeath 44
    Roscommon 33
    Longford 26
    Leitrim 16


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