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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #2552
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    During the first wave, there was a gofund me page to feed the heroes, it looks like that's gone now.
    I'm just thing as we head for an even worse time for our HCW's is there anyway we can help them (apart from staying the **** home)?
    I don't know how much a hot meal was for them, maybe the fact they had and could see the pubic support helped them through a very dark time. Have we forgotten them like the Government?


  • #2553
    Danno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    BBC Newsnight really interesting. They saying only about half the compliance in this wave than the first one. Experts calling for a harsher lockdown. I'm thinking we are seeing something very similar here and we aren't taking action fast enough.

    They can go do one. This is the third/fourth roll of the dice (depending your own geography).

    Riding roughshod over the peasants while the uber fly in and out is not on.


  • #2554
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,131 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Have heard from so many people I know today of cases.

    It's actually everywhere at the moment.

    Wondering are we actually reaching herd immunity at this stage!!??


  • #2555
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

    Wondering are we actually reaching herd immunity at this stage!!??

    No. We are not.


  • #2556
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    During the first wave, there was a gofund me page to feed the heroes, it looks like that's gone now.
    I'm just thing as we head for an even worse time for our HCW's is there anyway we can help them (apart from staying the **** home)?
    I don't know how much a hot meal was for them, maybe the fact they had and could see the pubic support helped them through a very dark time. Have we forgotten them like the Government?

    I would say support them the next time they look for decent pay and conditions.


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  • #2557
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,983 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I'm Tony Maloney and I approve this message.
    Swabs are far from perfect but they're the best we've got.

    Cases are for epidemiological newbies. That's right. I said it.

    I am not a newbie but I just don't get it :)


  • #2558
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    polesheep wrote: »
    I would say support them the next time they look for decent pay and conditions.

    The HSE has 67,000 staff and a further 35,000 agency staff. What do you consider decent pay and where should the money come from ?
    Bearing in mind the government gets its income from the private sector.


  • #2559
    kowloonkev
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,782 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    People don't need the government to tell them not to put their hand in a fire.

    Personal responsibility and some cop on.

    Can't always blame the government when you make a balls of things yourself.

    Some people give out about the restrictions that government imposes and will also use the easing of restrictions by the government as an excuse for their careless behaviour. These are the same people in most cases.

    Joseph Heller would have been proud to invent such characters.


  • #2560
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,983 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Azatadine wrote: »
    I'm half convinced that George Doomsday also does know that the figures do in fact contain backlog.....he actually said "At face value" before proceeding to talk about the 8300 cases...probably might not be doomsday enough if they highlighted that the 8300 contained around 3000 backlog......

    D'ya think?
    5200 plus not enough?


  • #2561
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The HSE has 67,000 staff and a further 35,000 agency staff. What do you consider decent pay and where should the money come from ?

    Without even mentioning a figure, for the life of me I don't understand why a nurse is not paid as much as a teacher. Well, actually, I do. It's a legacy from the days when nuns ran the hospitals and nursing was seen as a vocation. As for where it should come from, for a country that couldn't afford to pay the nurses extra when they went on strike, we sure found a whole heap of money to pay for PUP etc. We also found money for the Luas drivers without much fuss. The fact is, nurses are heroes when we desperately need them and slaves when we feel we don't. The truth is we still have the same attitude towards nurses that the nuns had.


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  • #2562
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    Is the backlog full of fake cases? I am confused by the narrative that they somehow don't count.


  • #2563
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    polesheep wrote: »
    I would say support them the next time they look for decent pay and conditions.

    That's easier said than done. I don't have a say in their pay and conditions.
    You'll find it hard not to find someone in this country who wouldn't agree with paying extra tax for a world class health service and that includes paying them a proper wage and conditions. No political parties seen to run on that. It's always a promise to reduce tax or build more homes, increase social welfare. The health system gets forgotten about.

    When we get through this, I really hope we get to have a proper discussion about our health care. This pandemic has shown the best and worst of the health system. The best being the dedication of our HCW's. The worst, the bureaucracy within the HSE. I don't think the HCW's have taken a step out of place and I can only envy their bravery. They have gone above and beyond this pandemic and I just know the government wont give a **** once it's all over.


  • #2564
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    That's easier said than done. I don't have a say in their pay and conditions.
    You'll find it hard not to find someone in this country who wouldn't agree with paying extra tax for a world class health service and that includes paying them a proper wage and conditions. No political parties seen to run on that. It's always a promise to reduce tax or build more homes, increase social welfare. The health system gets forgotten about.

    When we get through this, I really hope we get to have a proper discussion about our health care. This pandemic has shown the best and worst of the health system. The best being the dedication of our HCW's. The worst, the bureaucracy within the HSE. I don't think the HCW's have taken a step out of place and I can only envy their bravery. They have gone above and beyond this pandemic and I just know the government wont give a **** once it's all over.

    Unfortunately, that's not the case. The nurses returned to work after their strike with next to nothing to show for it and came in for a lot of abuse from some sections.


  • #2565
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    polesheep wrote: »
    Unfortunately, that's not the case. The nurses returned to work after their strike with next to nothing to show for it and came in for a lot of abuse from some sections.

    When was the strike? (i'll admit, I probably can't remember it as I was younger and 'invincible') I think we can all agree there's been a seismic shift in this county in how we see nurses. I myself benefited from PUP payments while sitting on my arse, all while nurses went back to their day to day job under a severe risk to their health and those they love. If people forget that, especially PUP recipients, we don't deserve the current healthcare we have.


  • #2566
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    When was the strike? (i'll admit, I probably can't remember it as I was younger and 'invincible') I think we can all agree there's been a seismic shift in this county in how we see nurses. I myself benefited from PUP payments while sitting on my arse, all while nurses went back to their day to day job under a severe risk to their health and those they love. If people forget that, especially PUP recipients, we don't deserve the current healthcare we have.

    It was in 2019, you weren't that much younger ;) BTW I don't begrudge anyone their PUP. In fact, I feel for them. For most, it doesn't come close to their earnings.


  • #2567
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    polesheep wrote: »
    Without even mentioning a figure, for the life of me I don't understand why a nurse is not paid as much as a teacher. Well, actually, I do. It's a legacy from the days when nuns ran the hospitals and nursing was seen as a vocation. As for where it should come from, for a country that couldn't afford to pay the nurses extra when they went on strike, we sure found a whole heap of money to pay for PUP etc. We also found money for the Luas drivers without much fuss. The fact is, nurses are heroes when we desperately need them and slaves when we feel we don't. The truth is we still have the same attitude towards nurses that the nuns had.

    As I said I have.no disire to debase the work of a nurse but to pay a nurse more money it has to come from elsewhere which means increased taxes on the private sector. So how much extra taxes are you willing to pay assuming you work in the private sector?


  • #2568
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    polesheep wrote: »
    It was in 2019, you weren't that much younger ;) BTW I don't begrudge anyone their PUP. In fact, I feel for them. For most, it doesn't come close to their earnings.

    Ok, I maybe biased, I was hospitalized with a non serious illness after that.
    I cannot fault the care I got, the nurses, porters, catering staff (sorry if that's not the right word) they all went above and beyond. I have also seen what they face, the same ward had 1 high dependany patient, they were always focusing on him (completely understandable) and then another grumpy patient arrived and they had to deal with him. They have the patience of saints. How they do it, it's beyond me.

    Sorry, I'm rambling, but my point is, many young and healthy people may dismiss nurses and all HCW's because they don't see their value. They soon learn when they need their care, extremely fast how much value they are.
    I'm hoping this pandemic awakens the younger population, just how important funding a proper health system is, even if you wont cash that in for decades.


  • #2569
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    As I said I have.no disire to debase the work of a nurse but to pay a nurse more money it has to come from elsewhere which means increased taxes on the private sector. So how much extra taxes are you willing to pay assuming you work in the private sector?

    Public sector pays the same taxes as the private sector (PAYE)
    But your point is still valid. It's a complex issue and I believe it needs to be addressed. I'm sure many HCW's would be happy with a change in work conditions initially. It's now always about extra pay.


  • #2570
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭jams100


    polesheep wrote: »
    Without even mentioning a figure, for the life of me I don't understand why a nurse is not paid as much as a teacher. Well, actually, I do. It's a legacy from the days when nuns ran the hospitals and nursing was seen as a vocation. As for where it should come from, for a country that couldn't afford to pay the nurses extra when they went on strike, we sure found a whole heap of money to pay for PUP etc. We also found money for the Luas drivers without much fuss. The fact is, nurses are heroes when we desperately need them and slaves when we feel we don't. The truth is we still have the same attitude towards nurses that the nuns had.

    I'd personally tell the hse to f**k off. They get more than enough money, they need to start finding efficiencies not get more money.

    If fact that is one of the legacy problems with the hse, they are quite happy to run a deficit as they know the government will bail them out at the end of the year.

    2 billion for a children's hospital, we could start there! With these efficiencies give staff more money, sure but don't give anymore otherwise is my opinion.

    The public hospitals charge €800 per night if a private person is in the hospital yet now they are begging the private hospital for capacity. They want it everyway.

    I bet there are some shockingly poor contracts that have been procured in the hse.
    Probably too many managers/pen pushers too


  • #2571
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I'm hoping this pandemic awakens the younger population, just how important funding a proper health system is, even if you wont cash that in for decades.

    The HSE is very well funded.

    We over-spend on healthcare in Ireland, relative to the age profile of our population.


    A small example: a French GP charges 25 euro.


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  • #2572
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,983 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    Let's say you have 3 contacts per person and the close contact positivity rate is 15% (it's typically 10% to 15%), then this gives 450 missed cases for every 1000 cases (1000 times 3 times 15%). But at least 60% of those cases will be symptomatic and will get tested anyway. Plus you will have people who pretend to have symptoms so they can get a test. I reckon we are missing less than 20% of cases through not testing close contacts.

    Thanks Merlin for that .

    Now my thoughts and using your formula, sort of...
    Where did you get the 60% figure for symptomatic though?
    Does that not depend on who those close contacts are , as in friends and younger relations or parents and grandparents?
    I would say 5 contacts per person, which is what they said contacts had been a week ago, with positivity of 20 % which again it had been then , is that 1000 times 5 times 20% = 100 % for every 1000 , which means double !
    Could be 50% symptomatic which would still mean missing 50%asymptomatic close contacts ! ;))


  • #2573
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,309 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    polesheep wrote: »
    Without even mentioning a figure, for the life of me I don't understand why a nurse is not paid as much as a teacher.

    Nurses in Ireland are paid well ahead of nurses in the UK.

    Yes, top of the scale for teachers is 70k, but that is a long 25 year scale.

    I suspect that teachers are more precarious at the start, and they may spend many years part-time / covering maternity, etc.

    Whereas I think nurses are quicker to get FT jobs?

    Does a 30yr old nurse out-earn a 30yr teacher? Maybe?

    But yes, a 60yr old teacher on 70k earns more than a nurse, okay.


  • #2574
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,983 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    During the first wave, there was a gofund me page to feed the heroes, it looks like that's gone now.
    I'm just thing as we head for an even worse time for our HCW's is there anyway we can help them (apart from staying the **** home)?
    I don't know how much a hot meal was for them, maybe the fact they had and could see the pubic support helped them through a very dark time. Have we forgotten them like the Government?

    Lobby for childcare to be provided would be a start , thank you .
    I am well past that stage with mine but it was major source of worry and stress for a lot of HCWs whose ohs were also essential workers .


  • #2575
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,983 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    When was the strike? (i'll admit, I probably can't remember it as I was younger and 'invincible') I think we can all agree there's been a seismic shift in this county in how we see nurses. I myself benefited from PUP payments while sitting on my arse, all while nurses went back to their day to day job under a severe risk to their health and those they love. If people forget that, especially PUP recipients, we don't deserve the current healthcare we have.

    Less than 2 years ago ! :)
    Thanks for the support guys , seriously nice there .
    No matter what happens though , no government is going to turn around and give us nurses a payrise , never have so far in my career anyway , without their arm being securely twisted .
    Even if they had popped a little bonus for Christmas and paid the nurses back who paid over the odds for childcare during the last lockdown .
    Nurses all over the world and other healthcare workers got a Covid bonus .
    But all we got here was the government trying to eke a bit more out of the poor student nurses , and they had to be dragged kicking and screaming into a u turn about that .
    But hey ho , good job it's not for the cars and diamonds I joined up :)


  • #2576
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,983 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    jams100 wrote: »
    I'd personally tell the hse to f**k off. They get more than enough money, they need to start finding efficiencies not get more money.

    If fact that is one of the legacy problems with the hse, they are quite happy to run a deficit as they know the government will bail them out at the end of the year.

    2 billion for a children's hospital, we could start there! With these efficiencies give staff more money, sure but don't give anymore otherwise is my opinion.

    The public hospitals charge €800 per night if a private person is in the hospital yet now they are begging the private hospital for capacity. They want it everyway.

    I bet there are some shockingly poor contracts that have been procured in the hse.
    Probably too many managers/pen pushers too

    Don't conflate the HSE with nurses.
    HSE are the managing body, we work FOR the HSE .


  • #2577
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    wadacrack wrote: »
    We need to ban flights until the over 65's are vaccinated tbh

    https://twitter.com/hannahkuchler/status/1347642005371936770

    "Kent or S.A" variant or something different ?


  • #2578
    biggebruv
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭biggebruv


    If someone is dying of covid in hospital can family visit to say goodbye?


  • #2579
    TheDenialTwist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 681 ✭✭✭TheDenialTwist


    biggebruv wrote: »
    If someone is dying of covid in hospital can family visit to say goodbye?

    No, my gran aunt died in hospital during the night last night and no-one was allowed in to visit her. She was unconscious on a ventilator and we were told prior that she would not make it through the night, unfortunately.

    Also, there are only ten people permitted to attend her funeral tomorrow :(

    I think the worst part for families is not being able to be with or say goodbye to a dying family member. My gran aunt died alone and that's very difficult for my family. For anyone's family.

    It's heartbreaking.


  • #2580
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    The whole covid denialism has taken a turn for the worst. Completely boxed in by their bull****. The amount factually incorrect crap that is allowed to propagate on threads here is crazy. It has real public health implications and is dressed up as a contrarian point of view. Expect the claims to get more wild and more angry.

    https://twitter.com/_johnbye/status/1347644702913421318?s=20


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  • #2581
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    A factory on limerick has started to test it's staff, have found 24 positives...10 of which haven't developed any symptoms and have felt generally well over the last months and since testing positive...seems to be a growing minority of people who have it, and the virus having no affect on them, which is very interesting, wonder if there is something they do or a gene they have that helps them deal with the infection...conversely one of my colleagues has it, 24 in good shape and physically active, been bed bound for 4 days and has tested positive


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