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Covid 19 Part XXXI-187,554 ROI (2,970 deaths) 100,319 NI (1,730 deaths)(24/01)Read OP

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  • #1322
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Israel are an alpha country. Ireland is a beta country, trying to impress others.

    Israel are Chads. Ireland are soyboys.
    I'm sure you're making an important point if one could only establish the English equivalent of these "similes".


  • #1323
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    Whatever they paid it will have been worth it whilst Ireland is interested in being the bestest little boy in class and going the EU route. Funny how the Germans where caught going on a solo run buying up vaccines and it hardly got a mention here.

    If each individual country in the EU went for Israel's approach, it would have cost every country more and at best 1 country (whoever eventually paid the most) would have sped up their programme. You couldn't be more wrong.


  • #1324
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    AdamD wrote: »
    If each individual country in the EU went for Israel's approach, it would have cost every country more and at best 1 country (whoever eventually paid the most) would have sped up their programme. You couldn't be more wrong.
    We'd be back to the PPE sourcing theatrics of February and March.


  • #1325
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    splashuum wrote: »
    16th January 2020 had 94 people in ICU, 609 admitted within a week with flu.
    We now currently have approx 80 people in ICU and ZERO cases of the flu.
    We're actually in a better position going by the hse statistics.

    People here still under the misapprehension that we have ONLY 88 in ICU :)
    Again, do you not know that this is just the number of COVID patients in ICU?


  • #1326
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    lawred2 wrote: »
    they did nothing for health care workers with regards to childcare in the first lockdown...

    what exactly is he referring to?

    Not sure what's going on here, my missus was deemed essential in the first wave and I had to take time off my work to look after our kids. We didn't have any assistance that I recall other than financial for my lost wages.


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  • #1327
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I don't think he has a hope of getting re-elected.

    There's unfortunately plenty of examples to show that people will elect anyone over and over again no matter how bad they are.


  • #1328
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    People here still under the misapprehension that we have ONLY 88 in ICU :)
    Again, do you not know that this is just the number of COVID patients in ICU?

    It's actually 95 in ICU as of about an hour ago.
    15 admissions, 4 discharges

    Tomorrow we should be back to where we were in April :(


  • #1329
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    kilkenny31 wrote: »
    Shhhhhhhhh not allowed be positive. I will say tho the 94 people in ICU was possibly a combined total not just from flu. The 80 or so being reported now is just with covid so doesn't give the full picture.

    Again , 94 in ICU total? Not the same as 88 in ICU Covid plus 180 plus nonCovid , lol !


  • #1330
    [Deleted User]
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    It's certainly true that due to limited supply not everyone could be Israel

    Ireland is in the EU system, like all the other EU countries

    More pissed off about the fact that EU could have had more pfizer vaccines except for the French whiners requiring an order for their one (sanofi) that was clearly behind.


  • #1331
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Probes wrote: »
    Not sure what's going on here, my missus was deemed essential in the first wave and I had to take time off my work to look after our kids. We didn't have any assistance that I recall other than financial for my lost wages.
    I don't even know why Donnelly is trying to defend anything from lockdown 1 anyway, he wasn't in Government.

    No, there was no childcare assistance for anyone for the first few weeks of the initial lockdown. It was actually a big problem, many HCW were unable to attend work.


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  • #1332
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    titan18 wrote: »
    There's unfortunately plenty of examples to show that people will elect anyone over and over again no matter how bad they are.

    After spending 3 months locked in their gaf watching a disaster unfold in the hospitals, people might just cop on.

    And people think I'm a pessimist


  • #1333
    [Deleted User]
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    titan18 wrote: »
    There's unfortunately plenty of examples to show that people will elect anyone over and over again no matter how bad they are.

    Donnelly is not a Healy-Rae or Michael Lowry.

    I'm coming down just about on the side of that being a good thing


  • #1334
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,009 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Wish I could thank this twice. We're being fed a condescending narrative designed to shore up desperate failings of HSE, the selective focus meant to keep us in thrall of panic and subservience. Last January alone, over 12,000 patients went without a trolley. For those crying foul, here are the statistics to back it up:
    https://www.inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13566

    Lol

    Edit , context ..
    This post is thanking the post that talks about only 94 in ICU in January last .
    That would be as opposed to that number now of Covid patients alone ( along with 180 plus general cases !)
    That post has been thanked and misunderstood by a number of posters despite the error being pointed out by Docarch, myself and others.
    This proves my point about folks reposting numbers and "data " which they don't understand , just to make a supposedly smart crack .


  • #1335
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    seamus wrote: »
    I don't even know why Donnelly is trying to defend anything from lockdown 1 anyway, he wasn't in Government.

    No, there was no childcare assistance for anyone for the first few weeks of the initial lockdown. It was actually a big problem, many HCW were unable to attend work.

    Never mind that. Is work on your home office continuing, you jammy fecker?

    I basically just have to go to whatever room my toddler son is not in


  • #1336
    DOCARCH
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    Stateofyou wrote: »
    I'll try one more time :pac:

    Anyone know?

    What does this mean in relation to allowed construction? FB & intel?

    certain large construction projects in the exporting / FDI sector based on set criteria

    Maybe try here: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058147399


  • #1337
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,880 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    I don't think he has a hope of getting re-elected.

    A lot of people said that after he quit the SDs and joined FF. Rare for a sitting or recent senior minister to lose their seat in Ireland. If he does I think it'll be more down to the broader unpopularity of FF than to his personal missteps as health minister.


  • #1338
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,178 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Israel are an alpha country. Ireland is a beta country, trying to impress others.

    Israel are Chads. Ireland are soyboys.

    What's that in hiberno English?


  • #1339
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    titan18 wrote: »
    There's unfortunately plenty of examples to show that people will elect anyone over and over again no matter how bad they are.

    I know but he had a bad election campaign (came unstuck in a local debate) and he came 5th on first preference vote. SF will look to get a 2nd seat there with the massive and unexpected FPV that Brady got. I think Stephen's luck has run out. He wont get the transfers next time.

    FPV 2016 = 20.9% = 14,348 votes
    FPV 2020 = 7.7% = 5467 votes

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #1340
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    seamus wrote: »
    Money.

    Very, very early on, Israel paid Pfizer twice the going rate for the vaccine and promised a rapid roll-out of the vaccine so that large-population data could be gathered quickly.

    Israel has a huge military-industrial complex capable of delivering this kind of programme.

    They didn't come in late to the game and suddenly snap up a load of doses.

    We could in theory have done this too, but I think it would have been counter-productive here. A rapid vaccination programme using a vaccine that had only been approved by the HPRA and not the EMA, would have led to a lot of skepticism and resistance. IMHO.

    How can you honestly say that would have been a bad idea? It's not like we don't have a lot of skepticism and resistance. We also have a lot of people in hospital and barely anybody vaccinated. Qualitatively our qualitatively what they've done is in a different league. Saying it would have been counter productive is letting the government and HSE off far too lightly.


  • #1341
    Gruffalux
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    We live on the border. Yes vehicles were sprayed but not once had we to get out and walk on the disinfectant mats. We only had to do that entering a farm. No movement of people was restricted and we went to and from work on a daily basis as usual.

    It was not the same where I crossed to go to work. Everyone had to walk on mats every time.


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  • #1342
    Goldengirl
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    bb1234567 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/mlchealth/status/1347146472370929666

    Yes. Family member has cancer check by virtual appointment now .


  • #1343
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    "The Government has three parameters for any easing of restrictions - the situation in our hospitals, community transmission levels and the number of people vaccinated" -Varadkar


  • #1344
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1347178047846408193?s=20


  • #1345
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Got to love the government

    Government - It's too unsafe for us to do more than 12 hours a week in the convention centre

    Government - It is safe enough for 18 year olds and teachers to spend 20 hours or so in much less space in classrooms


  • #1346
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    [IMG][/IMG]
    Eod100 wrote: »
    What's that in hiberno English?
    s-l300.jpg
    One is Isreal the other Ireland


  • #1347
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1347178047846408193?s=20

    weird how he seems so assured saying this.

    he comes across in the media as someone who disregards NPHET's advice & seems more concerned about the economy & people's jobs than people dying.


  • #1348
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The HSE's weekly briefing on Covid-19 is due to start shortly


  • #1349
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Endintheclowns wrote: »
    Whatever they paid it will have been worth it whilst Ireland is interested in being the bestest little boy in class and going the EU route. Funny how the Germans where caught going on a solo run buying up vaccines and it hardly got a mention here.

    Yeah and it was entirely predictable........yawn.

    30-11-2020:
    caveat emptor wrote: »
    With regards the vaccine rollout, Listening to Simon coveny on the radio there. He says we are part of the EU purchasing power deal etc. He mentioned that it's good and mentioned something of PPE.

    Do we not remember what happened with that. France was pulling medicine off trucks. Germany banned the export of PPE. Freedom of travel suspended etc. Saying we are part of the bloc does not mean we won't be at the back of the queue. We need concrete assurances and someone should ask pertinent questions and not appease the platitudes being rolled out currently.


  • #1350
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1347178047846408193?s=20

    I think we'll breach 1,500 in about 4 days time. Maybe less.

    5 days ago we had 60 admissions.
    Today we've had 109.

    I think Varadkar's worst case scenario sounds quite plausible


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  • #1351
    [Deleted User]
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    How can you honestly say that would have been a bad idea? It's not like we don't have a lot of skepticism and resistance. We also have a lot of people in hospital and barely anybody vaccinated. Qualitatively our qualitatively what they've done is in a different league. Saying it would have been counter productive is letting the government and HSE off far too lightly.

    People need to understand here there aren't loads of spare doses of the Pfizer vaccine just sitting with Pfizer. Yes Israel have done brilliantly, but that approach couldn't have been copied. There is a limited supply. The only way we could have done it is by approving the vaccine before the EU and outbidding Israel, but if we tried that its likely other EU countries would have followed, which would have been an utter ****show with minimal additional vaccines for the entire bloc and higher prices for everyone.


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