Brexit discussion thread XIII (Please read OP before posting)

fly_agaric wrote: »

Think it has always been the case with the M&S groceries. Unlike all the other main ones (incl Tesco) a lot of UK products (presumably) coming out of a UK-centred supply chain with their Irish shops as a tack-on to the UK market.

Don't shop there much but if M&S didn't change over last 4 years knowing what was coming what can you say? It's kind of a luxury supermarket so customers will pay more but even if disruptions settle down might be hard to maintain the model long term in the face of the various Brexit obstacles to it (added customs paperwork, charges and delays or UK items they just won't be able to stock in Ireland any more).

Other risks now is that any scare stories about GB foods will get exports of those items to the EU shut down and without a seat at the table they'll be waiting for any misunderstanding to be cleared up.

It's far more likely now that continent deep supply chains of the EU will see GB chains lose ground in their own country. In Australia Coles and Woolies had a duopoly controlling 80% of the grocery sector, until Aldi came along and started eroding their dominance.

Having said that Australia is a lucrative market whereas a GB with a wage growth lower than Greece in the last decade may not add any more to those EU chains already there.

Just probably more versions of Poundland, Poundworld, Poundstretcher, etc..

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

I still don’t get the feigned outrage higher up with government/eu not communicating

They did repeatedly, hell there was an advertisement on this very thread for while, radio, tv and direct mails and emails including support from banks and likes of ei too.

The poster proceeded to give example of someone on continent who didn’t know that Ireland is not part of uk

If anything brexit has shown is that there is no lack of stupid and uneducated people, who actively become hostile at experts

The only thing eu can do is throw a ton of money at Ireland for us to advertise “Ireland is not uk” on the continent but education is no remit of eu

Contrary education and marketing is high up in the EU. Plenty of budget for that sort of enterprise. Sure theyre masters at putting their name on everything they fund.

AutoTuning wrote: »

IDA Ireland is doing heavy advertising on business news channels but it needs to go a bit wider than that for a few months.

Why not do something that might be a big pitch about Ireland still being in the EU, being a great source for food etc and ready to welcome you for tourism, when all this covid stuff is over. Kinda “hold firm Europe. We’re still here! Thanks for the support and we’ll see you on the other side!”

All very well, but at the end of the day, you're still going to have regular people at the end of a phone and/or in front of a computer, answering questions that they think they know the answer to even though they don't. A couple of years ago, I spent a very pleasant evening chatting to a local lady who resolutely refused to believe that there was a proper, functional airport 30km from where she grew up, 500m from the motorway that she drove on dozens of times a year [3500m runway, regularly receives the Antonov 225 for cargo ops, currently has BA's whole fleet of A380s parked there) ... until her brother reminded her that she'd actually taken a flight from there when she was younger.

Slightly off topic, but relates to buying a highish value item in the UK and importing into Ireland post Brexit.

I built a pond during the lockdown and am looking to purchase a filter over the next couple of months. They're expensive items and the one I'm interested in costs £3,775 in the UK with another £100 or so on top of that for shipping.

From what I've read, I purchase it net of UK VAT and then pay Irish VAT and duty when it arrives here. I believe that VAT and Duty are then charged on the total price including shipping. By my calculations, I'm looking at a net UK price of approx. €3,600. With VAT at 21% and Duty at 12% that would be a approx. €1,150 additional.

There are options to purchase for a similar price from Netherlands or Germany which will avoid the duty so I will obviously take those.

Someone suggested to me that I get it shipped to NI and collect it from there. With the border in the Irish Sea are there similar duties to be paid by NI residents importing from the UK? Obviously, it would be naughty to evade duty and VAT and I wouldn't recommend anyone do it.

Must be a pretty slow day for Brexitland talking points if all we've got is the readership of their papers!

L1011 wrote: »

In the distant past the Mirror and one of the right-wing red tops (it changed which one as the Sun slowly took the others sales) would both be up and around 4m; with multiple others over 1m including the Telegraph.

The Telegraph isn't even the highest selling 'broadsheet' now, although I think it may actually be the only physical broadsheet.



Another extensively online converted readership along with the Times. The other papers have not made it work the same way.

Have you ever found yourself on the mirror or sun's website? Just a barrage of awkward ads and difficult to scroll 'stories'.

It's no wonder that they have such a poor online presence compared to the likes of the Guardian.

Anyway...