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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • #6122
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,548 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Just to clarify lads , are the “freelancers” the same as “contractors’ or is there another ‘group’ out there.

    Appreciate the info.

    I seem to recall Brendan Balfe going on about pensions on the airwaves at one stage.


  • #6123
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,169 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    Why would ‘freelancers’ not think a permanent pensionable post would be preferable to a less secure situation.

    Im a contractor/'freelancer', although in IT, not entertainment/TV, but i think the principle is the same
    There are far more tax effecient options available with regards to pensions, unless youre in a defined benefit gold plated PS scheme from years ago that no longer appears to be offered to younger staff. With a good accountant there are plenty of ways to minimise tax liability over being a direct employee, as well as not having to deal with all internal HR crap. And if you are an integral part of the company/niche in what you do, which I am sure tubridy/duffy/d'arcy and forbes think they are, then security is kinda moot.


  • #6124
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    carq wrote: »
    Any reason why ‘celebrity’ senator Lynn Ruane is being foisted on the public by RTE?


    In the last week she has been on ‘Celebrity’ fittest family, the new years eve show, and now some upcoming comedy panel show.

    What the hell is going on?
    You can see why based on her reaction to the shot thug in Clonee. Ruane is seen as a good replacement for Ebun Joseph after she totally losses the plot on live television.


  • #6125
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,548 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    retalivity wrote: »
    Im a contractor/'freelancer', although in IT, not entertainment/TV, but i think the principle is the same
    There are far more tax effecient options available with regards to pensions, unless youre in a defined benefit gold plated PS scheme from years ago that no longer appears to be offered to younger staff. With a good accountant there are plenty of ways to minimise tax liability over being a direct employee, as well as not having to deal with all internal HR crap. And if you are an integral part of the company/niche in what you do, which I am sure tubridy/duffy/d'arcy and forbes think they are, then security is kinda moot.

    Good summation, one is part of the company for the good stuff but you have all the advantages of being a separate entity, if I read you correctly.


    Only thing you need to ‘worry ‘ about then would be your accountant.

    As has been seen on several occasions.

    As I see it you are saying that your situation is a genuine ‘freelance ‘ role used to come in, do a job, get paid for it and move on to the next task, whereas the RTE ‘freelancers’ are just using the system as a vehicle to alleviate their tax and expenses exposure .

    Hope I got that right, and apologies if not.


  • #6126
    retalivity
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,169 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    Good summation, one is part of the company for the good stuff but you have all the advantages of being a separate entity, if I read you correctly.


    Only thing you need to ‘worry ‘ about then would be your accountant.

    As has been seen on several occasions.

    As I see it you are saying that your situation is a genuine ‘freelance ‘ role used to come in, do a job, get paid for it and move on to the next task, whereas the RTE ‘freelancers’ are just using the system as a vehicle to alleviate their tax and expenses exposure .

    Hope I got that right, and apologies if not.

    Pretty much, although i dont think there is the same enforcement of law (IR35) as there is in the UK with regards to long term contractors


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  • #6127
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,548 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    retalivity wrote: »
    Pretty much, although i dont think there is the same enforcement of law (IR35) as there is in the UK with regards to long term contractors



    Is a pigs pussy pork:D

    Appreciate your insight.


  • #6128
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Reminder: you have only 5 days left to make a submission regarding the imposition of a digital tax.
    Visit https://futureofmediacommission.ie/ or send an e-mail to them at info@futureofmediacommission.ie
    be careful how you phrase your feedback because they will use anything they can to ringfence the income stream of RTE and prevent any meaningful change in the service delivered to the public.
    My suggestions as to the main points to hit should be that RTE is beyond redemption(otherwise RTE will be the medium used to provide public broadcast services), universal charges, mission creep should be prevented are unfair and conflicts of interest such as sponsorship of shows or talent should be forbidden.

    You honestly think your submission will make a difference. They pretty dismissed the public from it's conclusions, which are pre-ordained.

    I'll put one in but I am under no illusion that I may as well send in a roll of loo paper


  • #6129
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,892 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Elmo wrote: »
    You honestly think your submission will make a difference. They pretty dismissed the public from it's conclusions, which are pre-ordained.

    I'll put one in but I am under no illusion that I may as well send in a roll of loo paper
    Their conscience may twinge a little before they deliver the desired outcome.


  • #6130
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,834 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    RTÉ repeating ‘The Test’ again....

    Monday night at 8:30pm - prime time slot you’d say.....


  • #6131
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Elmo wrote: »
    You honestly think your submission will make a difference. They pretty dismissed the public from it's conclusions, which are pre-ordained.

    I'll put one in but I am under no illusion that I may as well send in a roll of loo paper

    When The Future of Media Commission first released the submission form online for us to use, it turns out it was "broken" i.e. it did not list all the questions that were up for discussion; especially the funding question. They did fix it later on but by then a good portion of the tiny window that allows us to submit our input was gone. So, with the timing (mid pandemic and over the Christmas period) and short window for public input and the "broken" online form for submission, I do not trust the process.

    Unfortunately it does look like it will be a done deal and the government will be forcing everyone with a smart phone to pay this tax to support the millionaires and other highly paid staff at RTE. You should still make your submission to register your objection to this abhorrent new tax by emailing, sending a letter, or online here: https://futureofmediacommission.ie/public-consultation/


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  • #6132
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Let me preface this by saying I'm not complaining about watching less ads, however...

    We had a powercut last night and my dad wanted to watch the Six One news so I set up the laptop connected to my hotspot, and we watched the news via the player. When it went to a commercial break, it didn't show normal ads, just a blue screen with the RTE logo. Surely thats a lost revenue stream?


  • #6133
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Let me preface this by saying I'm not complaining about watching less ads, however...

    We had a powercut last night and my dad wanted to watch the Six One news so I set up the laptop connected to my hotspot, and we watched the news via the player. When it went to a commercial break, it didn't show normal ads, just a blue screen with the RTE logo. Surely thats a lost revenue stream?

    Yeah discussed a while back rights issues, TG4 do the same, Virgin Media seem to provide different ads to broadcast.


  • #6134
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Kivaro wrote: »
    When The Future of Media Commission first released the submission form online for us to use, it turns out it was "broken" i.e. it did not list all the questions that were up for discussion; especially the funding question. They did fix it later on but by then a good portion of the tiny window that allows us to submit our input was gone. So, with the timing (mid pandemic and over the Christmas period) and short window for public input and the "broken" online form for submission, I do not trust the process.

    Unfortunately it does look like it will be a done deal and the government will be forcing everyone with a smart phone to pay this tax to support the millionaires and other highly paid staff at RTE. You should still make your submission to register your objection to this abhorrent new tax by emailing, sending a letter, or online here: https://futureofmediacommission.ie/public-consultation/

    Did you write to them about it, are you sure it was a technical issue?

    The commission is largely made up of university intellectuals, there focus will be on fake news.

    Do you have a timeline?


  • #6135
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Elmo wrote: »
    Did you write to them about it, are you sure it was a technical issue?

    The commission is largely made up of university intellectuals, there focus will be on fake news.

    Do you have a timeline?
    Indeed it was a technical issue; they were aware of it, and they sent an email to me about the issue since I did not submit the form anonymously. I discussed the issue on the thread specific to the topic on here that didn't get much support. It was very noticeable that we were not allowed (technically) to answer the question regarding funding, so I submitted my disapproval of the new media tax in the general submission.

    Unfortunately the bit in bold above is the reason why the majority of us in the country suffer as a result of policies that are enacted by government, which are formulated by people who are completely detached (for the most part) from our every day lives. They work and live in academic cocoons totally unrelated to real life. Between these "intellectuals" and NGOs in Ireland, the quality of life for the regular working/contributing person has diminished.

    Regarding the focus on "fake news". Jesus, RTE is a horribly biased, partial, untrusted news source. They are a disgrace.


  • #6136
    Mike Murdock
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Kivaro wrote: »
    I

    Regarding the focus on "fake news". Jesus, RTE is a horribly biased, partial, untrusted news source. They are a disgrace.

    I don't have a TV and this new "tax" to pay for pensions & fund RTE propaganda is ****ing ridiculous.


  • #6137
    AndyBoBandy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,834 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Let me preface this by saying I'm not complaining about watching less ads, however...

    We had a powercut last night and my dad wanted to watch the Six One news so I set up the laptop connected to my hotspot, and we watched the news via the player. When it went to a commercial break, it didn't show normal ads, just a blue screen with the RTE logo. Surely thats a lost revenue stream?


    SixOne is viewable globally on the player, so they cannot broadcast ads internationally that they can broadcast in Ireland for various reasons. (Like beer ads in France etc...)

    But you'd still think that they'd have international ads lined up for out of country viewers... but lets not get ahead of ourselves... lets just get the player to function first before doing rocket science stuff like that...


  • #6138
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Elmo wrote: »
    Did you write to them about it, are you sure it was a technical issue?

    The commission is largely made up of university intellectuals, there focus will be on fake news.

    Do you have a timeline?

    God help us. One of them was an editor for the rag that is the Guardian.
    Alan Rusbridger was Editor in Chief of the Guardian from 1995-2015. He is currently Principal of Lady Margaret Hall, Oxford, and Chair of the Reuters Institute for the Study of Journalism. During his time at the Guardian, both he and the paper won numerous awards, including the 2014 Pulitzer Prize for Public Service Journalism. The Guardian grew from a printed paper with a circulation of 400,000 to a leading digital news organisation with 150m browsers a month around the world. He launched now-profitable editions in Australia and the US as well as a membership scheme which now has 1m Guardian readers paying for content.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • #6139
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Indeed it was a technical issue; they were aware of it, and they sent an email to me about the issue since I did not submit the form anonymously. I discussed the issue on the thread specific to the topic on here that didn't get much support. It was very noticeable that we were not allowed (technically) to answer the question regarding funding, so I submitted my disapproval of the new media tax in the general submission.

    What thread?


  • #6140
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Elmo wrote: »
    What thread?
    Hmmm. I'll find it for you; only because I like you.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058141387


  • #6141
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Hmmm. I'll find it for you; only because I like you.
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058141387

    Have you tried searching boards :) thanks


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  • #6142
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    I believe, for legal reasons, they're not allowed comment on the incidents in Dublin due to the 'sensitivity' of the matter.

    If there were a court case, RTE could be seen as unduly influencing the outcome of a trial.

    I've never read such absolute nonsense. They reported on the Strokestown evictions, the Love Ulster Riots etc. There were court cases out of them and there was no mention of undue influence.


  • #6143
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    It's some legal grey area bull crap.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/media-must-act-to-ensure-crime-reporting-is-fair-and-balanced-1.943313

    There's also the reasons for the alleged inciting incident. It's still a sensitive topic, there's probably gonna be a an inquest as to the events leading up to it, and because of that, RTE have to sit on the sidelines.

    There are also some very... dangerous, individuals stoking the flames rn.
    RTE put one foot wrong, and things could go very badly.

    No criminal charges have been brought yet, so the sub judice rule doesn't apply now. Furthermore, the idea of an inquest jury being prejudiced is less serious than the idea of a criminal trial jury being prejudiced.

    And who might those who are 'stoking the flames' be?


  • #6144
    RabbleRouser2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,736 ✭✭✭RabbleRouser2k


    political analyst wrote: »
    No criminal charges have been brought yet, so the sub judice rule doesn't apply now. Furthermore, the idea of an inquest jury being prejudiced is less serious than the idea of a criminal trial jury being prejudiced.

    And who might those who are 'stoking the flames' be?

    When it applies to matters related to the Gardai, they have to be sensitive pending an inquest.

    As for stoking the flames. Social media has made things a cesspit, honestly. Very easy for anyone to get folks angry.
    Lies spread faster than the truth gets time to put its shoes on.

    We saw what happened in the US when social media went left unchecked.


  • #6145
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,204 ✭✭✭political analyst


    RabbleRouser2k wrote: »
    When it applies to matters related to the Gardai, they have to be sensitive pending an inquest.

    As for stoking the flames. Social media has made things a cesspit, honestly. Very easy for anyone to get folks angry.
    Lies spread faster than the truth gets time to put its shoes on.

    We saw what happened in the US when social media went left unchecked.

    But failure to acknowledge the incidents shown in the videos shared on social media lets the proverbial wildfire spread, doesn't it?

    RTÉ's only problem is an injunction that may prevent it from mentioning some details but there's no injunction that I know of. Surely, the only thing that matters on reporting is: is it legal?


  • #6146
    PieOhMy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,530 ✭✭✭PieOhMy


    Perry just stated on the 6.01 news that rte is to apologise re the new years eve blasphemy issue. It was against their own guidelines. This is the second time in recent weeks the rte has been incapable of following their own guidelines. This does well reflect well on the culture in the organisation in my opinion and makes me wonder what other guidelines they a liable to break that aren't as viable. I guess we'll never know.


  • #6147
    amlinopta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭amlinopta


    Six One news still running at 50% duration seven days into the New Year despite all that’s going on in the world, presumably no change until next week. Smacks of laziness


  • #6148
    Skyfloater
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 429 ✭✭Skyfloater


    amlinopta wrote: »
    Six One news still running at 50% duration seven days into the New Year despite all that’s going on in the world, presumably no change until next week. Smacks of laziness

    There's barely enough news on our small island to fill the half hour slot. How many times do you want them to repeat the same bit of news they do have?


  • #6149
    StevenToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,200 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Just in case you needed another reason not to pay the licence fee...

    What in the name of f*ck is this **** on RTE2..."CLEAR HISTORY"

    Absolute ****e...

    Luke O'Neill is there fake laughing....is there no end to this pr1cks desire for attention?

    "SUBSCRIBE TO BOARDS YOU TIGHT CÙNT".....Plato 400 B.C



  • #6150
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,496 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    StevenToast wrote: »
    Just in case you needed another reason not to pay the licence fee...

    What in the name of f*ck is this **** on RTE2..."CLEAR HISTORY"

    Absolute ****e...

    Luke O'Neill is there fake laughing....is there no end to this pr1cks desire for attention?

    Can you elaborate please ?


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  • #6151
    StevenToast
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,200 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Can you elaborate please ?

    Im sorry, not really...i could only stomach a few minutes of it....

    basically 5 odious people sitting around telling unfunny stories and fake laughing really loudly to make up for the lack of an audience....

    I actually cant describe how bad it was....

    I had to vent on here.....

    Amazing that people pay the licence fee...

    "SUBSCRIBE TO BOARDS YOU TIGHT CÙNT".....Plato 400 B.C



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