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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #6542
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why isn't the government ordering those businesses that are allowed to remain open to ensure that face-coverings are not just worn but worn properly, i.e. covering the nose as well as the mouth?! Not wearing them properly must be at least one reason for the increase in the number of Covid cases.

    I really doubt the odd person you see with it down below their nose is the reason for this. The problem is not masks themselves but when people don't wear masks, which is usually when socialising in close contact with friends or family. Obviously, it's not realistic to ask this of people, but some people dismiss masks as useless because cases are rising which seems silly when most infection is occurring when people don't even have them on.


  • #6543
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭the corpo


    On the subject of messaging, (despite there being little chance of realising a goal of schools back on the 11th) the statement from government shouldn't be "We are determined schools will reopen on the 11th" to "Our best chance of reopening the schools without delay is dependent on people adhering to the guidelines."


  • #6544
    UrbanFret
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭UrbanFret


    Fakediamond wrote: »
    Professor McConkey wanted this from day one and still does. I remember he was viewed as being extreme and a bit of a loose cannon by the other experts at the time, including deGascun. He would be justified in feeling smug now, but also massively frustrated. As the old saying goes, doctors differ and patients die.


    Total fantasy. :rolleyes:


  • #6545
    Just Saying
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭Just Saying


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    So to date 6.71% of all cases have been hospitalised (according to HPSC epidemiology reports).
    In recent months it's usually been between 3 to 5 percent though, so for the purposes of this I'm going to run with 4%.

    On the 1st of January we had 5,585 positive swabs which would equate to about 5,000 cases.
    4% of 5,000 is 200 hospitalised people. I think that's what we'll be seeing soon enough on a daily basis.
    And we still haven't peaked. If we get to 8,000 cases a day, which is entirely possible, we'll see a corresponding day of about 320 people being hospitalised some time later.

    If the age age profile of detected cases goes up dramatically, say because of something like Christmas day, then things will get quite a bit worse.

    How do you factor in the change in test criteria to your calculations?Obviously the percentage of asymptomatic cases in the figures up to roughly Dec 30/31 must have an impact.
    Obviously the hospitalisations come from the cases with symptoms so logically the daily cases post Jan 1 should theoretically have a higher rate of hospitalisation as they will contain fewer asymptomatic cases....or maybe I'm misreading the situation!!


  • #6546
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,755 ✭✭✭maebee


    I switched off from Covid news on Jan 1st so I'm not up to date on the testing procedures. My son and his girlfriend have just tested positive. Neither hubby or I have symptoms but we would like to get tested asap, as we both have underlying issues. Our doctor's surgery will be open tomorrow morning. Is there any other way that I could organise a test today?. TIA.


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  • #6547
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    Yes

    We should have went the New Zealand route in March, becoming so clear now

    Bordered up the north, stop travel. We are an Island it could have been done

    Western countries have been shown up as fools by the East

    Chinese must be laughing their asses off at us right now

    We are a pack of thickos

    But but but the border


  • #6548
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,358 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You get the impression that the HSE and government took the whole 2 weeks of Christmas off.
    The numbers are all over the place because the 'old computer system' could not handle anything above 2000.
    Contact tracing has failed yet again in their first real stress test of the winter.
    The vaccine rollout has not been planned and is moving at a snails pace.
    They have no idea where we are right now.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #6549
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Drumpot wrote: »
    If you plotted a graph of net daily increase hospitalisations , added 12 days to each daily figure I wonder at what stage we hit critical mass.

    The scariest thing is that hospital admissions was below 30 a day up until the 27th so we aren't due a big batch of discharges.

    Back in November when we had highish admissions we also had relatively high discharges.


  • #6550
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    the corpo wrote: »
    On the subject of messaging, (despite there being little chance of realising a goal of schools back on the 11th) the statement from government shouldn't be "We are determined schools will reopen on the 11th" to "Our best chance of reopening the schools without delay is dependent on people adhering to the guidelines."

    I think that's interesting. You could add a bit of gamification.

    "If we get below a 3% positivity rate, we'll reopen outdoor dining"


  • #6551
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    maebee wrote: »
    I switched off from Covid news on Jan 1st so I'm not up to date on the testing procedures. My son and his girlfriend have just tested positive. Neither hubby or I have symptoms but we would like to get tested asap, as we both have underlying issues. Our doctor's surgery will be open tomorrow morning. Is there any other way that I could organise a test today?. TIA.

    Your gp won't refer you or hubby for tests, they aren't testing close contacts anymore, unless you become symptomatic.

    You'd have to go for a test privately and pay for it


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  • #6552
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Fakediamond wrote: »
    Professor McConkey wanted this from day one and still does. I remember he was viewed as being extreme and a bit of a loose cannon by the other experts at the time, including deGascun. He would be justified in feeling smug now, but also massively frustrated. As the old saying goes, doctors differ and patients die.

    His strategy was unworkable. Then again his strategy changed depending on the day of the week.


  • #6553
    Thespoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Thespoofer


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    All off for the long weekend

    We will start getting leaks from Irish Times as usual around lunchtime tomorrow

    This ^. Same attitude when the vaccines were delivered too.


  • #6554
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Just Saying wrote: »
    How do you factor in the change in test criteria to your calculations?Obviously the percentage of asymptomatic cases in the figures up to roughly Dec 30/31 must have an impact.
    Obviously the hospitalisations come from the cases with symptoms so logically the daily cases post Jan 1 should theoretically have a higher rate of hospitalisation as they will contain fewer asymptomatic cases....or maybe I'm misreading the situation!!

    I'm not doing anything as complicated as that.

    I'm just simply extrapolating from past hospitalisation rates. It's a very loose projection and too simple to be very accurate, for some of the reasons you mentioned and others too.

    Basically the exponential growth we see in swabs/cases will also be seen in the hospitalisations. And the 75 admissions today, though already quite alarming, will be small compared to the daily numbers we'll see towards the peak of this ****show.


  • #6555
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    maebee wrote: »
    I switched off from Covid news on Jan 1st so I'm not up to date on the testing procedures. My son and his girlfriend have just tested positive. Neither hubby or I have symptoms but we would like to get tested asap, as we both have underlying issues. Our doctor's surgery will be open tomorrow morning. Is there any other way that I could organise a test today?. TIA.

    Best bet is to try out of hours GP service, but in all honesty I'm getting the impression they are not testing non-symptomatic people any more. I think we are at a stage beyond this. All you can do is self-isolate and hope for the best at this point, but do try contacting the out of hours service for what it's worth. I'm guessing a lot of phones will be ringing out at the moment.


  • #6556
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,358 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Do we have any idea how ICU numbers today compare to the same day last year?
    I know the INMO said last winter that trolley numbers broke all records.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #6557
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Do we have any idea how ICU numbers today compare to the same day last year?
    I know the INMO said last winter that trolley numbers broke all records.

    ICUs are overloaded every year, and not just in this country:
    ‘Many A&E units have been severely overcrowded in recent days, with patients lying in corridors and ambulances queuing outside.

    ‘Hospitals have already been forced to cancel tens of thousands of operations and NHS chiefs fear things will only get worse… On Tuesday, hospitals were ordered to cancel up to 55,000 non-urgent operations and put patients in mixed-sex wards to create more room.’

    - Daily Mail of January 6, 2018


  • #6558
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    Do we have any idea how ICU numbers today compare to the same day last year?
    I know the INMO said last winter that trolley numbers broke all records.

    Our only saving Grace at the minute is particularly low influenza levels (pretty much everywhere), which should make for a tiny bit of compensation in moderating ICU needs.


  • #6559
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    Yes
    Bordered up the north, stop travel. We are an Island it could have been done
    Quite the contradiction there. If we have a border that we need 'bordering up' we are not an island.


  • #6560
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    PmMeUrDogs wrote: »
    Your gp won't refer you or hubby for tests, they aren't testing close contacts anymore, unless you become symptomatic.

    You'd have to go for a test privately and pay for it

    Or just say they have symptoms.


  • #6561
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Or just say they have symptoms.

    Which then clogs up the system for those who actually do have symptoms?


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  • #6562
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Why are Ireland and other European countries not going as fast as Israel in terms of schedules for administering of the vaccine? Red tape can be slashed by government order, can't it?


  • #6563
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Which then clogs up the system for those who actually do have symptoms?

    They could be asymptomatic. It's equally as bad because they continue on and could be spreading it.


  • #6564
    noserider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 167 ✭✭noserider


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Huge pressure from special interest lobby groups.

    Who are they if you don’t mind me asking? Not being smart


  • #6565
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    Beasty wrote: »
    We've not had to deal with anything approaching this number before, hence our testing capacity may have been overrun (either locally or nationally). Add the Christmas and New Year holidays when numbers working on testing (be that the taking of samples and/or the lab testing) may have been limited it's not entirely surprising.
    Testing capacity was not effected over Christmas. Laboratories have worked tirelessly to constantly improve capacity and turnaround time.
    That service has to be maintained. The same service all day every day.
    Swabbing centres were open during Christmas too.

    This system breakdown is in the public health departments that have been crying out for support since the beginning of the pandemic and even longer for investment. They were balloting their members for industrial action a couple of months ago.

    It was only a matter of time before this happened. Case numbers exploding was the straw that broke the camels back.


  • #6566
    testtech05
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,581 ✭✭✭testtech05


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Which then clogs up the system for those who actually do have symptoms?

    My sister and both parents at home have had symptoms for the last few days rang the out of hours drs service who told them they won't be tested because they have not been in contact with a confirmed case...... Wtf is that about?

    They told them to just isolate at home instead. I think they are to ring their own go tomorrow and hopefully get tested.


  • #6567
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    5km exercise limit could be reduced to 2km, says Eamon Ryan
    The Green Party leader said if cases still aren’t lowering in a week or two this measure could be implemented

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/5km-exercise-limit-could-be-reduced-to-2km-says-eamon-ryan-39926460.html

    Jeez what a solution lol

    Good luck to him trying to get public buy in for that


  • #6568
    stargazer 68
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,189 ✭✭✭stargazer 68


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    They could be asymptomatic. It's equally as bad because they continue on and could be spreading it.

    Well they shouldn't continue on. The son is positive so self isolate as instructed. A test is not going to change that.


  • #6569
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    stargazer 68 wrote: »
    Well they shouldn't continue on. The son is positive so self isolate as instructed. A test is not going to change that.

    Yes, you're right.


  • #6570
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    GreeBo wrote: »
    They have paid massively over the odds per dose.
    $62 Vs €15.50

    Worth every cent extra.


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  • #6571
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,913 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    5km exercise limit could be reduced to 2km, says Eamon Ryan
    The Green Party leader said if cases still aren’t lowering in a week or two this measure could be implemented

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/5km-exercise-limit-could-be-reduced-to-2km-says-eamon-ryan-39926460.html

    Jeez what a solution lol

    Good luck to him trying to get public buy in for that

    Heard him on the radio, the whole lot in power deserves every single cent they get. I would be afraid to say something like that at this stage


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