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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #6482
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It would take quite some time to do the above. The excerise restrictions overnight. Completely unenforceable of course but they have learned the majority are quite happen to follow any guidance they dream up without question.

    Read my post again. I'm not saying the rules should not be implemented. I am saying I am sick of the inconsistency where there are hard measures put in place while other risks are ignored.

    Its the equivalent of closing the windows to keep the cold out but leaving the back door open


  • #6483
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Stop the spread? And yet the government allowed the spread over the Christmas.
    The government enabled the spread to an extent but it was the people who allowed it by meeting up more than was wise.


  • #6484
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    1. Put proper testing and quarantine measures for international travellers
    2. Enforce all rules across the board
    3. Remove all the loopholes and exceptions from the rules/recommendations
    4. HSE get their house in order

    So a self confessed resenter of restrictions plans to solve the problem by enforcing restrictions?


  • #6485
    rooney30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭rooney30


    GreeBo wrote: »
    "Border up the North"?

    Maybe Donald could loan us his wall?

    Yeah , tear up the good Friday agreement . That will work


  • #6486
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    Read my post again. I'm not saying the rules should not be implemented. I am saying I am sick of the inconsistency where there are hard measures put in place while other risks are ignored.

    Its the equivalent of closing the windows to keep the cold out but leaving the back door open

    Rules that are easy to implement are what they will go with. Most of your suggestions are down to enforcement, we don’t have the resources to police them or social buyin all across the board.
    Agree about the airport’s though.


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  • #6487
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,020 ✭✭✭jackboy


    ixoy wrote: »
    The government enabled the spread to an extent but it was the people who allowed it by meeting up more than was wise.

    There are many people who will never follow the restrictions unless they are enforced. Talking about personal responsibility is pointless. If restrictions were enforced then the level of restrictions required in general would be far lower. Punishing those who follow restrictions more and more is lazy and ignorant.


  • #6488
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    GreeBo wrote: »
    So a self confessed resenter of restrictions plans to solve the problem by enforcing restrictions?

    You aren't hearing what I am saying. I resent having restrictions imposed when we let 30k people in at Christmas or where the Gardai ignore house parties and turn a blind eye to pubs breaking rules


  • #6489
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The government lifted restrictions, I don’t think government officials forced people to meet up go for pints etc. Personal responsibility and all that.

    Personal responsibility? NPHET advised that they couldn't have both restaurants/bars open and allow household visits... The government ignored their advice and allowed both. Blame is on them.


  • #6490
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Do you have a timeline and plan for how to achieve this strategy?
    Costs would also be useful.

    The poster doesn't have to plan and cost, the HSE and Government on the other hand have been dealing with this situation for nine months now. At least some pre-emptive planning could be expected, instead of the reactive moves we are constantly making. Who knew that the excel spreadsheet was going to pack in at 2000 reported cases? (why is it taking so long to rectify?)

    I am fed up of government putting forward deadlines and policies that everyone knows are not possible, only to reverse their declarations within 24 hrs - smacks of not having a clue or pandering to lobbyists and taking a flyer to see how things go.

    There is clearly also an argument brewing over how christmas has affected the situation with the gov saying that the UK variant caught everybody by surprise and NPHET saying that it is not yet a factor.

    We need to take a leaf out of Nicola Sturgeon's book, she has been most impressive with her communications to the scottish people. Quick to get her policies across with clear communication and conviction.


  • #6491
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Personal responsibility? NPHET advised that they couldn't have both restaurants/bars open and allow household visits... The government ignored their advice and allowed both. Blame is on them.

    The blame is on those who met up with others. The government didn’t lay on buses beinging people to other people’s houses . It still comes down to personal responsibility. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.


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  • #6492
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,818 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Personal responsibility? NPHET advised that they couldn't have both restaurants/bars open and allow household visits... The government ignored their advice and allowed both. Blame is on them.

    Yeah put people were still 'strongly advised' to minimise household visits over Christmas. Even if the government had 'banned' such visits, it seems very likely that a lot of those people would have gone ahead with them anyway.


  • #6493
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The blame is on those who met up with others. The government didn’t lay on buses beinging people to other people’s houses . It still comes down to personal responsibility. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.

    The government ignored public health advice yet again just like many people . Both are to blame. Public officials have been awful in their messaging and cannot be trusted. Thats a huge problem too


  • #6494
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Yep... they will introduce meaningless and unenforceable distance travel measures on the resident public, while ignoring the elephant in the airport.

    Tens of thousands visited the country over Christmas with no checking on how they isolated - it didn't even make sense for them to come, if they did isolate, so I expect practically none of them did.

    They must have been a contributory factor, but the powers that be never even bothered to look, because they already know the answer, and knew it while it was happening. Christmas was a 'acceptable risk gamble' for the government, that went badly wrong.

    In the 14 days to the 10th of December, 63 out of 3,764 cases were travel related, in the 14 days to yesterday, 92 out of 18,169 cases were travel related. While undoubtedly a contributor, travel is a convenient excuse for those who chose to behave like it was December 2019


  • #6495
    PsychoPete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,504 ✭✭✭PsychoPete


    gmisk wrote: »
    Have we not already had the longest strictest lockdowns around? At least in Europe?

    I think people need to take some personal responsibility for a change.

    100 plus people a day with close contacts of 20-30 a day tells the story.....I would have two...a husband and a dog...

    If we've learnt anything so far its that you can not rely on people to do the right thing, you have to take control out of their hands or actually enforce punishments and laws


  • #6496
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Personal responsibility? NPHET advised that they couldn't have both restaurants/bars open and allow household visits... The government ignored their advice and allowed both. Blame is on them.

    Just because the government do a stupid thing doesn't mean we have to all follow.

    Government tried a relaxed approach which was stupid but at the same time they call on people to exercise personal responsibility which many didn't.

    Balme is equally on those who didn't exercise any responsibility. The potential superspreaders who had 30 close contacts and the like.


  • #6497
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    OK in that case I'm starting to resent having to go through a checkpoint and answer for my movements or only exercise within 2-5km

    It's a pandemic. Just get on with it, it's only for a few more months touch wood.


  • #6498
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The blame is on those who met up with others. The government didn’t lay on buses beinging people to other people’s houses . It still comes down to personal responsibility. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.

    There's always people who won't follow the restrictions. We already saw that happen and the government knew that as well. People weren't going to take responsibility at our favourite time of year.

    The same can be said for what the government did. Just because restaurants/bars could be opened, didn't mean they could. And they ignored that advice and look at us now


  • #6499
    Fuascailteoir
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 764 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    In the 14 days to the 10th of December, 63 out of 3,764 cases were travel related, in the 14 days to yesterday, 92 out of 18,169 cases were travel related. While undoubtedly a contributor, travel is a convenient excuse for those who chose to behave like it was December 2019

    That is the people that arrived and tested positive. What about everyone that they infected and those that they subsequently infected


  • #6500
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Deleted User wrote: »
    In the 14 days to the 10th of December, 63 out of 3,764 cases were travel related, in the 14 days to yesterday, 92 out of 18,169 cases were travel related. While undoubtedly a contributor, travel is a convenient excuse for those who chose to behave like it was December 2019

    Agreed, but adding the two figures you quoted, it is still 155 cases - remember the days when that would have shocked us?

    We have come a long way since then, in a very short time.


  • #6501
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    The always excellent medcram videos with tips if you or somebody in your house gets the virus. Warning, Some of it is quite technical (this is a YouTube channel that was setup for medical students to learn real life practical information that was going on in hospitals).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN30emwcNS4


    If you don’t want to watch it all skip to 37:33 for the summary.

    Some snippets:

    - get pulse oximeter, if levels go below 90 seek medical care/advice
    - get 7 hours+ sleep regularly, including if you get vaccine to help it work best
    - VIT C, D, Zinc - lots of evidence that VIT D deficiency when you catch COVID is not great, better to not be deficient
    - (hydrotherapy) improving/high interferon levels may help reduce severity of illness - warm bath strategy to force body reaction to “fever”. Seems like a fever (to a certain level, maybe 103o) might actually be good to help body fight off bad symptoms
    - if a member of household gets infected try to imagine it like a smoker in a household. Good ventilation is vital.

    Just to say, anybody watching these should of course check with their own doctors or medical professions to make sure any advice is suitable for themselves. I’ve been following this since Feb and have been in with my own GP who has confirmed what is suitable for me.

    I’ve been watching this and Dr John for months, both excellent forms of information, far superior to most of the stuff you see in Irish media and it’s mostly just the facts. Funnily enough they are doing a Q&A together tomorrow for anybody interested.


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  • #6502
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    rooney30 wrote: »
    Yeah , tear up the good Friday agreement . That will work

    Might as well at this stage with them being outside EU

    We have a population of 5,000,000 and we are supposedly at breaking point with 500 in hospital

    This Banana republic needs to tear up the rulebook and do something drastic

    We can all agree what we are doing now isn't working


  • #6503
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Just because the government do a stupid thing doesn't mean we have to all follow.

    Government tried a relaxed approach which was stupid but at the same time they call on people to exercise personal responsibility which many didn't.

    Balme is equally on those who didn't exercise any responsibility. The potential superspreaders who had 30 close contacts and the like.

    Both are to blame. Government ignored advice from NPHET. That only allowed more spread from the ignorant irresponsible fcukers.

    NPHET were right, we couldn't have both restaurants/bars open and household visits. Picking up infections while out in restaurants and visiting households.


  • #6504
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Mwengwe wrote: »
    It's a pandemic. Just get on with it, it's only for a few more months touch wood.

    I am getting on with it. But its a pandemic so why are the government not treating it like one


  • #6505
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Construction needs to be shut down today so we don't have thousands of Northerners coming down tomorrow to sites all across the country. Either that or turn them around on the main roads on the border. We need to get real here this is an emergency


  • #6506
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    In the 14 days to the 10th of December, 63 out of 3,764 cases were travel related, in the 14 days to yesterday, 92 out of 18,169 cases were travel related. While undoubtedly a contributor, travel is a convenient excuse for those who chose to behave like it was December 2019

    Its widely acknowledged that the contact tracing has collapsed so I'd take no heed of those stats


  • #6507
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Drumpot wrote: »
    The always excellent medcram videos with tips if you or somebody in your house gets the virus. Warning, Some of it is quite technical (this is a YouTube channel that was setup for medical students to learn real life practical information that was going on in hospitals).



    Some snippets:

    - get pulse oximeter, if levels go below 90 seek medical care/advice
    - get 7 hours+ sleep regularly, including if you get vaccine to help it work best
    - VIT C, D, Zinc - lots of evidence that VIT D deficiency when you catch COVID is not great, better to not be deficient
    - (hydrotherapy) improving/high interferon levels may help reduce severity of illness - warm bath strategy to force body reaction to “fever”. Seems like a fever (to a certain level, maybe 103o) might actually be good to help body fight off bad symptoms
    - if a member of household gets infected try to imagine it like a smoker in a household. Good ventilation is vital.

    Just to say, anybody watching these should of course check with their own doctors or medical professions to make sure any advice is suitable for themselves. I’ve been following this since Feb and have been in with my own GP who has confirmed what is suitable for me.

    I’ve been watching this and Dr John for months, both excellent forms of information, far superior to most of the stuff you see in Irish media and it’s mostly just the facts. Funnily enough they are doing a Q&A together tomorrow for anybody interested.

    There is no point in me watching anything like that. I suspect like most people, our standard 1980's built irish house is absolutely unsuitable for effective individual isolation.

    If one of us get's it... we all get it, no question. I would like to have additional bathrooms and enough rooms for individual isolation, but I don't, and it is probably that reality above all, that influences our family behaviour in the outside world.


  • #6508
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    I am getting on with it. But its a pandemic so why are the government not treating it like one

    Huge pressure from special interest lobby groups.


  • #6509
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The blame is on those who met up with others. The government didn’t lay on buses beinging people to other people’s houses . It still comes down to personal responsibility. Just because you can do something doesn’t mean you should.

    This is it in a nutshell really. Forget about the cohort who completely ignore restrictions, they’re a minority. The actual problem is a large portion of the population seem to think the things permitted at each level of the restrictions are some sort of target to hit. We probably wouldn’t need levels at all if people took personal responsibility.


  • #6510
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    There is no point in me watching anything like that. I suspect like most people, our standard 1980's built irish house is absolutely unsuitable for effective individual isolation.

    If one of us get's it... we all get it, no question. I would like to have additional bathrooms and enough rooms for individual isolation, but I don't, and it is probably that reality above all, that influences our family behaviour in the outside world.

    That’s not true at all. I know somebody who got it and their wife and child didn’t get infected.

    You don’t have to have an awesome ventilation system , opening windows and airing out rooms regularly can help. It’s all about degrees of improvement. Opening a window for 30 minutes to air out a room is better then doing nothing.

    There’s lots of other practical advice in the video. Getting the virus with somebody in your household is not inevitable, if people act like it is, it’s more likely to happen


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  • #6511
    Crocodile Booze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    62 in ICU


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