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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #6452
    Mwengwe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭Mwengwe


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    That’s the kind of thing that just pisses people off.

    It's also the kind of thing that they can't realistically enforce so why let it piss you off.


  • #6453
    Lemonzero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭Lemonzero


    Report just now on rte that governments still fully intend to open schools as a safe environment.would like to see the basis for that assertion given the huge number of cases and the hugely increased transmission rate of new varient?


  • #6454
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Seems like hospital admissions will far outnumber the April peak now. Although ICU admissions still look to remain well below that peak although perhaps there's a lag for icu.


  • #6455
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Mimon wrote: »
    How many drunks just show up because they are drunk? Doesn't make sense. Most would have some sort of injury from being drunk from falling/fighting etc.

    Judging by the complains from people I know working in A&E 100s a night in every hospital. Probably much less in reality but still enough to annoy A&E staff.

    The amount I've heard he was asleep in the bus and the bus driver didn't want to wake him so called an ambulance.

    Probably less people drunk falling and fighting too with the pubs being closed.


  • #6456
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Lemonzero wrote: »
    Report just now on rte that governments still fully intend to open schools as a safe environment.would like to see the basis for that assertion given the huge number of cases and the hugely increased transmission rate of new varient?

    They closed none essential retail without showing the evidence they used, why would you think they will show evidence this time?


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  • #6457
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,565 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Seems like hospital admissions will far outnumber the April peak now. Although ICU admissions still look to remain well below that peak although perhaps there's a lag for icu.

    I wonder what the true infection numbers were back in Q1 2020. The official numbers are only a fraction of the true I'd say (due to testing limitations, asymptomatic cases etc).


  • #6458
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Yep... they will introduce meaningless and unenforceable distance travel measures on the resident public, while ignoring the elephant in the airport.

    Tens of thousands visited the country over Christmas with no checking on how they isolated - it didn't even make sense for them to come, if they did isolate, so I expect practically none of them did.

    They must have been a contributory factor, but the powers that be never even bothered to look, because they already know the answer, and knew it while it was happening. Christmas was a 'acceptable risk gamble' for the government, that went badly wrong.

    Letting people in with no checks. Off they go to restaurants and bars and meeting up with family and friends. NPHET advised that they couldn't have both restaurants open and allow household visits at the same time. Which kind of makes sense. Pick up infections while out and bring it home. There's no control in that. The government allowed both.


  • #6459
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Israel plan to have 2 million of their citizens vaccinated by the end of January. They really have taken this seriously

    How did they get that many vaccines in the first place and us stuck with are EU handout.


  • #6460
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    GreeBo wrote: »
    What contagious disease did they have last year?

    Winter vomiting bug, but it's not directly comparable.


  • #6461
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    I am really starting to resent the fact that I may not be able to travel more than 2km from my home just so people could come home from abroad completely unchecked, others could pile in to houses without a care in the world and the HSE could spend 9 months with their heads in the sand


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  • #6462
    gally74
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,997 ✭✭✭gally74


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Seems like hospital admissions will far outnumber the April peak now. Although ICU admissions still look to remain well below that peak although perhaps there's a lag for icu.

    medication and treatments have imptoved!


  • #6463
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Letting people in with no checks. Off they go to restaurants and bars and meeting up with family and friends. NPHET advised that they couldn't have both restaurants open and allow household visits at the same time. Which kind of makes sense. Pick up infections while out and bring it home. There's no control in that. The government allowed both.

    Yes

    We should have went the New Zealand route in March, becoming so clear now

    Bordered up the north, stop travel. We are an Island it could have been done

    Western countries have been shown up as fools by the East

    Chinese must be laughing their asses off at us right now

    We are a pack of thickos


  • #6464
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Seems like hospital admissions will far outnumber the April peak now. Although ICU admissions still look to remain well below that peak although perhaps there's a lag for icu.

    I'm not sure if the current non-ICU admissions can be directly compared with April. Hospital admissions are always higher at this time of year. There must be a level of admissions for other illness and conditions, who happen to test positive,
    but are admitted for non-covid conditions.

    I would think the ICU numbers are a better comparison.


  • #6465
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    I am really starting to resent the fact that I may not be able to travel more than 2km from my home just so people could come home from abroad completely unchecked, others could pile in to houses without a care in the world and the HSE could spend 9 months with their heads in the sand

    You will be able to travel any distance you wish from your home with a valid reason. The 5km or 2km suggestion is for excerise only.


  • #6466
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Lemonzero wrote: »
    Report just now on rte that governments still fully intend to open schools as a safe environment.would like to see the basis for that assertion given the huge number of cases and the hugely increased transmission rate of new varient?

    What is NPHET's advice on schools? Surely they can't be advising government that schools are safe based on our numbers?


  • #6467
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You will be able to travel any distance you wish from your home with a valid reason. The 5km or 2km suggestion is for excerise only.

    OK in that case I'm starting to resent having to go through a checkpoint and answer for my movements or only exercise within 2-5km


  • #6468
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Israel plan to have 2 million of their citizens vaccinated by the end of January. They really have taken this seriously

    I think every country is taking it seriously?

    Israel area also planning a 3 week gap from 10th to 31st Jan as they start giving their second doses.


  • #6469
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    I am really starting to resent the fact that I may not be able to travel more than 2km from my home just so people could come home from abroad completely unchecked, others could pile in to houses without a care in the world and the HSE could spend 9 months with their heads in the sand

    It would make you sick how all the work and blame is being placed upon us.


  • #6470
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    OK in that case I'm starting to resent having to go through a checkpoint and answer for my movements or only exercise within 2-5km

    Have you an alternative suggestion? The idea is stop the spread .


  • #6471
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    coastwatch wrote: »
    I'm not sure if the current non-ICU admissions can be directly compared with April. Hospital admissions are always higher at this time of year. There must be a level of admissions for other illness and conditions, who happen to test positive,
    but are admitted for non-covid conditions.

    I would think the ICU numbers are a better comparison.

    Neither figure is really comparable.

    In April we didn't have treatment options other than paracetamol and ventilation so icu happened a lot more.

    Also we were using hospital beds as isolation facilities when needed. That isn't done now.


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  • #6472
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    GooglePlus wrote: »
    How did they get that many vaccines in the first place and us stuck with are EU handout.

    They have paid massively over the odds per dose.
    $62 Vs €15.50


  • #6473
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Have you an alternative?

    1. Put proper testing and quarantine measures for international travellers
    2. Enforce all rules across the board
    3. Remove all the loopholes and exceptions from the rules/recommendations
    4. HSE get their house in order


  • #6474
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    Yes

    We should have went the New Zealand route in March, becoming so clear now

    Bordered up the north, stop travel. We are an Island it could have been done

    Western countries have been shown up as fools by the East

    Chinese must be laughing their asses off at us right now

    We are a pack of thickos

    "Border up the North"?

    Maybe Donald could loan us his wall?


  • #6475
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    1. Put proper testing and quarantine measures for international travellers
    2. Enforce all rules across the board
    3. Remove all the loopholes and exceptions from the rules/recommendations
    4. HSE get their house in order

    It would take quite some time to do the above. The excerise restrictions overnight. Completely unenforceable of course but they have learned the majority are quite happen to follow any guidance they dream up without question.


  • #6476
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Have you an alternative suggestion? The idea is stop the spread .

    Stop the spread? And yet the government allowed the spread over the Christmas.


  • #6477
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Have you an alternative suggestion? The idea is stop the spread .

    Let's first see how effective the current restrictions are.
    I would expect these restrictions, combined with the time of year, will bring the situation back to some level of control by early Feb.


  • #6478
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    GreeBo wrote: »
    "Border up the North"?

    Maybe Donald could loan us his wall?

    I wouldn’t bother to be honest , why ZC is unrealistic has been explained multiple times across multiple threads. It’s a dog whistle at this stage.


  • #6479
    Marty1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭Marty1983


    GreeBo wrote: »
    "Border up the North"?

    Maybe Donald could loan us his wall?


    Border to the north = target...f that.


  • #6480
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    1. Put proper testing and quarantine measures for international travellers
    2. Enforce all rules across the board
    3. Remove all the loopholes and exceptions from the rules/recommendations
    4. HSE get their house in order

    Do you have a timeline and plan for how to achieve this strategy?
    Costs would also be useful.


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  • #6481
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Stop the spread? And yet the government allowed the spread over the Christmas.

    The government lifted restrictions, I don’t think government officials forced people to meet up go for pints etc. Personal responsibility and all that.


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