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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #6152
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MOR316 wrote: »
    I would genuinely leave the country if that ever happened.

    What do you think happened last year until the present triparty government was formed?


  • #6153
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I have a 10 month old, I don't have a social life. Why keep saying this, I never mentioned anything about a social life. Is she working, because that is what the poster was referring to.




    No she can't work. She couldn't work even before the corona due to underlying illnesses (which led to her being immuno-compromised).



    She can't stay at home. She has to get her meds on those days every week. She'll have to go regardless of whether the hospital is covid free or if it is overflowing with people sitting in A&E's or or trolleys coughing it all over the place. The more people who get it, even if they recover fine, the more people will be in hospital with it.


    It is because of that situation that I am fairly sensitive to the issue. I might come across as aggressive or whatever but that is the reason. I get very annoyed if I think that people appear to be downplaying it.


  • #6154
    William Faithful Deer
    Posts: 0 ✭ William Faithful Deer


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Looks like huge amounts of people just aren't listening to the advice anymore. Young and old.

    Think the good vaccine news and backslapping is a major contributor to this.

    People failing to realise its not an overnight solution and thinking things were back to normal.


  • #6155
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    https://dearpandemic.org/most-likely-way-to-catch-sars-cov-2/
    Ah yes that reliable source.

    In fact, when I search "covid fomite transmission risk study", all I can find is anecdotal accounts from supposed doctors saying it's unlikely you'll contract covid from doorknobs etc.

    This link from July is the last study I can find. The verdict is:
    Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 can occur through direct, indirect, or close contact with infected people through infected secretions such as saliva and respiratory secretions or their respiratory droplets, which are expelled when an infected person coughs, sneezes, talks or sings.

    You can get infected from objects.

    Maybe if more people took care when handling things other people have touched, there would be less transmission.

    I'm just going to leave this video here because it was launched three weeks ago by the HSE.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0XqPeBGDEU


  • #6156
    sporina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,127 ✭✭✭sporina


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    One gives a per capita figure so we can compare ourselves to other nations etc, and the other the actual number of positive cases.

    thanks - i actually copped the answer just as I had posted lol...

    is there a statistic that takes area (km squared) into consideration?

    that would be useful too?


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  • #6157
    Eivor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭Eivor


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    How does a petrol station not involve face to face?

    I was getting out of my car to fill it up the other day and a teenager walked between my car and the pump and coughed into the air.

    I waited an extra few seconds before getting out to leave time for any potential virus to blow away.

    I used a glove at the pump and threw it away. Many won't do that.

    I had to stand inside in the queue to get to the till. We were wearing masks but most people just use light reusable ones which do much less in terms of protecting people instead of the actual effective surgical variety.

    Handing over money or having to put your card in the machine as well as taking goods from the cashier are more risks.

    My mother said to me on Christmas day "but you can't get it from surfaces". I have been driving home the risks about this since February to her and she still doesn't even have the basics. She says she thought the information on that changed. So much conflicting information to get people out into the shops and spending leads to idiotic actions.

    Sorry but if you’re analysing a trip to the petrol station like that then maybe going outside isn’t for you.


  • #6158
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »

    I used a glove at the pump and threw it away. Many won't do that.

    Michael Jackson was doing that long before you, pal.

    Stop stealing ideas from the greats!


  • #6159
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    No she can't work. She couldn't work even before the corona due to underlying illnesses (which led to her being immuno-compromised).



    She can't stay at home. She has to get her meds on those days every week. She'll have to go regardless of whether the hospital is covid free or if it is overflowing with people sitting in A&E's or or trolleys coughing it all over the place. The more people who get it, even if they recover fine, the more people will be in hospital with it.


    It is because of that situation that I am fairly sensitive to the issue. I might come across as aggressive or whatever but that is the reason. I get very annoyed if I think that people appear to be downplaying it.

    I'm not downplaying it, I understand where your coming from. I just think if anyone is highly vulnerable then I really think they should go on the pup and hide this out for next few months. Would you not agree.


  • #6160
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Not even going to call him a man...

    The idea of that thing becoming a Taoiseach...Christ!

    I’m no fan of Tony, he has made a couple of very bad decisions and has cost people their lives. I do feel he is trying his best and considering our craven political elite he will be left in situ. He has provided a large shield for government to hide behind when it suits them.


  • #6161
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    Eivor wrote: »
    Sorry but if you’re analysing a trip to the petrol station like that then maybe going outside isn’t for you.
    The person was saying that going to the petrol station doesn't involve face to face. I was assessing the risks to demonstrate where they might arise. If my post upsets you then maybe an Internet message board isn't the place for you.


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  • #6162
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,317 ✭✭✭blackcard


    alan partridge aha wrote: »
    Just bought a car a few weeks ago with 3 months warranty. Hope we're not put in complete lockdown as I want to drive it around enough so if anything goes faulty they'll fix it.

    OMG, I will have a word with Tony, see what he can do for you. In the meantime, my thoughts and prayers are with you.


  • #6163
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,582 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Vaccinate the oldest asap, and then who cares how many cases, herd immunity will have to play its part, it already is, with 100k confirmed cases, and an asymptomatic percent of nearly 50% , and maybe 4 in 5 cases not tested that's a high number of actaul case and immunity .


  • #6164
    Psychedelic Hedgehog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 486 ✭✭Psychedelic Hedgehog


    saabsaab wrote: »
    This huge surge around the Christmas and New Year proves the link between Travel and spread. Not that it was needed.

    It also proves, in my mind, that schools weren't much of a problem since there was no such surge throughout November. It was only when restrictions were partially lifted at the start of December did things start to take off again.


  • #6165
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Everybody has a theory about the spread but we've seen no clear cut evidence of the environments in which it has blown up.

    Everyone seems to want to use their precovid agendas to blame for the spread. Holohan and Co blames alcohol. Leftists blame commercial activities and capitalism. Right wingers wanted to blame the BLM protests. Left wingers wanted to blame the anti mask protests. There's f**k all evidence to suggest any of these things are linked to the virus spread.

    Nobody has any idea of how it's spreading. Not NPHET, not the WHO, not government, nobody.


  • #6166
    three putt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 ✭three putt


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    For situations that may arise where physical distance can’t be maintained, not for passing someone on the footpath.
    In Spain, mask wearing is mandatory in all outside areas. So yes, you must wear a mask if you're walking on the footpath. You will be fined on the spot if you're not wearing a mask.


  • #6167
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    Where are you getting this from.

    If somebody coughs, sniffs, sneezes, all very common actions in winter, they may have viral particles on them. If they touch a surface then this surface will be contaminated and may infect someone else.

    There has been no change to this.

    Two types of virus account for many of the familiar pathogens we encounter, some are enveloped in lipids and some are non enveloped. Coronavirus and influenza are the enveloped type, very susceptible to hand washing and less likely to live for extended periods on surfaces, and the likes of adenovirus and rhinovirus ( most colds between them) and Norovirus are non enveloped, less susceptible to hand washing and more likely to live for extended periods on surfaces


  • #6168
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    Ah yes that reliable source.

    In fact, when I search "covid fomite transmission risk study", all I can find is anecdotal accounts from supposed doctors saying it's unlikely you'll contract covid from doorknobs etc.

    This link from July is the last study I can find. The verdict is:


    You can get infected from objects.

    Maybe if more people took care when handling things other people have touched, there would be less transmission.

    I'm just going to leave this video here because it was launched three weeks ago by the HSE.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0XqPeBGDEU

    From your own link
    Despite consistent evidence as to SARS-CoV-2 contamination of surfaces and the survival of the virus on certain surfaces, there are no specific reports which have directly demonstrated fomite transmission.


  • #6169
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Everybody has a theory about the spread but we've seen no clear cut evidence of the environments in which it has blown up.

    Everyone seems to want to use their precovid agendas to blame for the spread. Holohan and Co blames alcohol. Leftists blame commercial activities and capitalism. Right wingers wanted to blame the BLM protests. Left wingers wanted to blame the anti mask protests. There's f**k all evidence to suggest any of these things are linked to the virus spread.

    Nobody has any idea of how it's spreading. Not NPHET, not the WHO, not government, nobody.
    There's a very handy void where the information should be, considering how long we've been putting up with this absolute crap life.


  • #6170
    ZX7R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,393 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    three putt wrote: »
    In Spain, mask wearing is mandatory in all outside areas. So yes, you must wear a mask if you're walking on the footpath. You will be fined on the spot if you're not wearing a mask.

    Poland is the same ,once your outside the front gate mask goes on.


  • #6171
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I'm not downplaying it, I understand where your coming from. I just think if anyone is highly vulnerable then I really think they should go on the pup and hide this out for next few months. Would you not agree.




    Yes, I agree that vulnerable should go on PUP if they can.


    But I don't think that it should lead to relaxed restrictions on others. Most of the hospital beds over the next couple of weeks will be taken up by those who wouldn't have considered themselves to be vulnerable.


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  • #6172
    alan partridge aha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,337 ✭✭✭alan partridge aha


    blackcard wrote: »
    OMG, I will have a word with Tony, see what he can do for you. In the meantime, my thoughts and prayers are with you.

    Cheers pal you're a diamond


  • #6173
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    Stheno wrote: »
    From your own link

    Despite consistent evidence as to SARS-CoV-2 contamination of surfaces and the survival of the virus on certain surfaces, there are no specific reports which have directly demonstrated fomite transmission.

    How would they ascertain that?

    All it takes is for someone to touch something someone else has handled and touch their eyes, nose or mouth.

    It's easier to assume airborne transmission because in most, almost all instances where the transmission occurs, the people are both together for a period of time. However in cases where people aren't sure how they picked it up because they don't think they were in contact with a positive case, at least some of the time it's going to be because someone else's snots or phlegm was on their bag of spuds and they were picking their nose on the way home.


  • #6174
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Yes, I agree that vulnerable should go on PUP if they can.


    But I don't think that it should lead to relaxed restrictions on others. Most of the hospital beds over the next couple of weeks will be taken up by those who wouldn't have considered themselves to be vulnerable.

    How do you know that?

    It strikes me as unlikely.


  • #6175
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Who was the poster asking about the covid app earlier? Big brother must be following this thread, just seen an ad for downloading it on an ad break on rte2 just now.


  • #6176
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    Despite consistent evidence as to SARS-CoV-2 contamination of surfaces and the survival of the virus on certain surfaces, there are no specific reports which have directly demonstrated fomite transmission.

    How would they ascertain that?

    All it takes is for someone to touch something someone else has handled and touch their eyes, nose or mouth.

    It's easier to assume airborne transmission because in most, almost all instances where the transmission occurs, the people are both together for a period of time. However in cases where people aren't sure how they picked it up because they don't think they were in contact with a positive case, at least some of the time it's going to be because someone else's snots or phlegm was on their bag of spuds and they were picking their nose on the way home.

    Jesus. You provide evidence yourself that directly contradicts an assertion you make and still cannot accept the data


  • #6177
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Not even going to call him a man...

    The idea of that thing becoming a Taoiseach...Christ!
    What an obnoxious little post.


  • #6178
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    SpacialNeeds wrote: »
    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/211793/new-covid-19-variant-growing-rapidly-england/


    Professor Neil Ferguson
    Imperial College COVID-19 Response Team

    “ The study finds a high correlation”

    No causal link proven as yet. It was based on analysis of the surge in the uk, and was judged to be the cause because they still had measures in place. We had a similar surge where the new variant only accounts for a fraction of cases. What caused our surge to be as bad, maybe moving to a similar level of restrictions as they already had, during winter. I will wait until there is a causal link established or a similar correlation on a surge elsewhere


  • #6179
    SpacialNeeds
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭SpacialNeeds


    Stheno wrote: »
    Jesus. You provide evidence yourself that directly contradicts an assertion you make and still cannot accept the data
    I accept, but only if you promise you'll wash your hands.


  • #6180
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Its a pandemic, if your that vulnerable then yes you stay the **** at home and receive the pup, we have asked thousands of younger people to do it, why the **** can't they do it too.

    Because being high risk does not qualify anyone to stay at home and claim PUP.

    Maybe you should have checked the qualifying conditions on PUP before posting.

    It also doesn't cover anyone who is high risk who has to leave their homes to shop or take their kids to school, or care for family members.


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  • #6181
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    twowheelsonly wrote: »
    I trust surfaces less that I trust the air..

    Particles will disperse more easily outdoors (depending on weather conditions) but if you ever see people breathing out on a cold morning you can see how far those particles can potentially travel before they start to disperse. When they do disperse though they still go somewhere !!

    Watch somebodies breath disperse on a cold morning. You can see very little past a couple of feet as it’s dispersed, and rises, because as you know, warm air rise


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