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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #6062
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    TheadoreT wrote: »
    It's funny until it isnt and they're dying in hospital alone becuase Oisin or Sile couldn't muster up enough respect to stay away for one year.

    You do realise people die every day right? And older vulnerable people died and continue to die regardless of CV-19.

    Here's a question for you.. Did you ever go shopping at this time of year with a dose of flu? Ever pass an elderly person? You monster! :rolleyes:

    Hysteria and hyperbole like your last few posts will not convince anyone - quite the opposite!


  • #6063
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    sporina wrote: »
    Q whats the diff between the "14 day incidence rate per 100,000" and "new cases during last 14 days"?

    One gives a per capita figure so we can compare ourselves to other nations etc, and the other the actual number of positive cases.


  • #6064
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    sporina wrote: »
    Q whats the diff between the "14 day incidence rate per 100,000" and "new cases during last 14 days"?




    If you have 5m people then that's 50 x 100,000.


    If you had a total of 5000 people who tested positive over the last 14 days then your incidence rate would be 100 per 100,000 people.


  • #6065
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    lukas8888 wrote: »
    If its a big pot and a small teaspoon probably no chance of any taste of salt
    Right, but given that you have tasted a teaspoon and found it to be salty? Do you then assume that you've somehow managed to pick the only bit of the pot that had a bit of salt in it?


  • #6066
    TheadoreT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭TheadoreT


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Many parents particularly requested that they see grown kids at Christmas. Many old people would rather risk dying than potentially not see their kids or grandkids again. Many people who travelled home were tested before coming home, and I know of a few areas in the west of Ireland for one where holiday let’s were full in December of people who rented out property for a couple of weeks so the could safely meet family,

    But judge away from your high horse

    And you can follow every guideline and still pick it up at a shop or petrol station or wherever. The best way of not potentially spreading it to vulnerable people is by not being with them.

    The numbers are such now becuase too many people made selfish decisions. Take accountability.

    And you're being way too dramatic with "again". The whole point is that the vaccine is now ready and a few months more of sheltering will save many many lives


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  • #6067
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    sporina wrote: »
    Q whats the diff between the "14 day incidence rate per 100,000" and "new cases during last 14 days"?

    The first is the second divided by the population and multiplied by 100,000


  • #6068
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Apologies just very happy tonight...no disrespect intended so regarding ice cream and world war 2... I couldnt help myself :D

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/08/ice-cream-military/535980/


  • #6069
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Amirani wrote: »
    If you add salt to a pot of soup, do you have to drink the whole pot to see how salty it is or can you just taste a teaspoon?





    If it’s a 2020 pot of soup, the bastad spoon would burn you and the soup would give you ecoli poisoning, the way things are going


  • #6070
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    speckle wrote: »
    Apologies just very happy tonight...no disrespect intended so regarding ice cream and world war 2... I couldnt help myself :D

    https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2017/08/ice-cream-military/535980/

    This is no place for happiness, thank you very much.

    I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to leave.


  • #6071
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    You do realise people die every day right? And older vulnerable people died and continue to die regardless of CV-19.

    Here's a question for you.. Did you ever go shopping at this time of year with a dose of flu? Ever pass an elderly person? You monster! :rolleyes:

    Hysteria and hyperbole like your last few posts will not convince anyone - quite the opposite!




    Hi. There is this new disease. Well it isn't really new now - it has been here for almost a year at this stage. But you might not have heard about it yet. It is called Covid19 and is caused by a novel coronavirus. It can be very dangerous and life threatening to people.


    Scientists do know that it is not the only thing that can kill people. For example, cancer can kill people, heart attacks can kill people and people can die in accidents like being hit by a bus etc. People do not live forever - that in itself is a fairly well established scientific fact. So people are, in general, aware that other things can and do cause death.



    However the fact that other things can kill people should not be interpreted as an excuse to follow reasonable precautions and advice to reduce the danger of contracting and passing on coronavirus. We understand that this may cause some inconvenience to you but most feel that the minor inconveniences are preferable to having health system completely overwhelmed and people dying.


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  • #6072
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    TheadoreT wrote: »
    And you can follow every guideline and still pick it up at a shop or petrol station or wherever. The best way of not potentially spreading it to vulnerable people is by not being with them.

    The numbers are such now becuase too many people made selfish decisions. Take accountability.

    And you're being way too dramatic with "again". The whole point is that the vaccine is now ready and a few months more of sheltering will save many many lives

    What about some personal responsibility from the vulnerable, how hard is it to just stay at home or is all the responsibility on the person that might affect them.


  • #6073
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    boardise wrote: »
    I know what you're saying and I'm not trying to be pointlessly argumentative - but is it not the case that the current context is unprecedented for all of us .
    A pandemic means in effect all bets are off -normality cannot be maintained...just like in a war or disaster e.g.tsunami ,earthquake etc.
    Anyone old enough to understand how society works and how mass contagions work simply must accept a degree of sacrifice and privation for an annoyingly long yet temporary duration.

    Perhaps but, how do you transfer that to young people?

    I'm still seeing kids, between the ages of 16-21, mingling in groups, meeting outside of school. I came across groups of them meeting for cans in the summer, probably the same now.

    I can't blame them purely because I know I'd have the attitude of "a load of bollocks this is" if I were that young again. In my teenage years certainly.

    As I said earlier, we all know how horrible cancer is yet, people continue to smoke like trains. We all know the dangers of unwanted pregnancy and STDs but, still have unprotected sex.

    Actually, would not surprise me at all if people riding was one of the factors in the rise in cases. Dirty beggers :D


  • #6074
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,287 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    This is no place for happiness, thank you very much.

    I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to leave.
    :D:D:D


  • #6075
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    niallo27 wrote: »
    What about some personal responsibility from the vulnerable, how hard is it to just stay at home or is all the responsibility on the person that might affect them.
    Are you victim-blaming? :P


  • #6076
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Hi. There is this new disease. Well it isn't really new now - it has been here for almost a year at this stage. But you might not have heard about it yet. It is called Covid19 and is caused by a novel coronavirus. It can be very dangerous and life threatening to people.


    Scientists do know that it is not the only thing that can kill people. For example, cancer can kill people, heart attacks can kill people and people can die in accidents like being hit by a bus etc. People do not live forever - that in itself is a fairly well established scientific fact. So people are, in general, aware that other things can and do cause death.



    However the fact that other things can kill people should not be interpreted as an excuse to follow reasonable precautions and advice to reduce the danger of contracting and passing on coronavirus. We understand that this may cause some inconvenience to you but most feel that the minor inconveniences are preferable to having health system completely overwhelmed and people dying.

    Calling it a minor inconvenience is really not helping anyone's cause, expecting young people to hide away for a year and people's businesses and life's ruined is not a minor inconvenience. It may be minor to you buy maybe think outside your little bubble for 5 minutes.


  • #6077
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Right, but given that you have tasted a teaspoon and found it to be salty? Do you then assume that you've somehow managed to pick the only bit of the pot that had a bit of salt in it?

    What flavour is the soup? Some can be naturally salted already


  • #6078
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    niallo27 wrote: »
    What about some personal responsibility from the vulnerable, how hard is it to just stay at home or is all the responsibility on the person that might affect them.

    It's potentially a lot more difficult for the elderly. FOMO is a very real thing for them as they don't have many healthy years left.


  • #6079
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    TheadoreT wrote: »
    And you can follow every guideline and still pick it up at a shop or petrol station or wherever. The best way of not potentially spreading it to vulnerable people is by not being with them.

    The numbers are such now becuase too many people made selfish decisions. Take accountability.

    And you're being way too dramatic with "again". The whole point is that the vaccine is now ready and a few months more of sheltering will save many many lives

    The risk of picking it up at a shop of petrol station is minuscule. Face to face contact is where this spreads. Lots of people took reasonable precautions when traveling to visit family, and many did not, but you cannot judge them all as being the same.

    And it’s people here thinking they could socialise like it was 2019 this Christmas that spread the virus. Look at the leading demographics in the surge. 25 to 44 year olds, followed by 19 to 24


  • #6080
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Ficheall wrote: »
    Are you victim-blaming? :P

    Ah for Jesus sake, I am ya. If your vulnerable and not protecting yourself to the best of your ability whose fault is it. Is it 50/50 or should they have no personal responsibility.


  • #6081
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,327 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Perhaps but, how do you transfer that to young people?

    I'm still seeing kids, between the ages of 16-21, mingling in groups, meeting outside of school. I came across groups of them meeting for cans in the summer, probably the same now.

    I can't blame them purely because I know I'd have the attitude of "a load of bollocks this is" if I were that young again. In my teenage years certainly.




    Family not to far from me with two kids in their 20's. Both living at home.


    One of the kids caught it a couple of months back. Luckily the rest of the family didn't catch it.


    Heard a few days ago that the other kid caught it over the Christmas. Was out and about at house parties.


    Both parents in their 60's.


    The kid is a fucking gob****e


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  • #6082
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,252 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Hi. There is this new disease. Well it isn't really new now - it has been here for almost a year at this stage. But you might not have heard about it yet. It is called Covid19 and is caused by a novel coronavirus. It can be very dangerous and life threatening to people.


    Scientists do know that it is not the only thing that can kill people. For example, cancer can kill people, heart attacks can kill people and people can die in accidents like being hit by a bus etc. People do not live forever - that in itself is a fairly well established scientific fact. So people are, in general, aware that other things can and do cause death.



    However the fact that other things can kill people should not be interpreted as an excuse to follow reasonable precautions and advice to reduce the danger of contracting and passing on coronavirus. We understand that this may cause some inconvenience to you but most feel that the minor inconveniences are preferable to having health system completely overwhelmed and people dying.

    And yet despite the increased cases in the last few months, they (thankfully) haven't translated to a similar increase in ICU cases or deaths, even allowing for incubation periods, and hospital stays etc.

    I do agree on one point though. It's a good thing it's not as deadly as was first feared given this is the same health service that is 'overwhelmed' every year despite a massive annual budget (and top-ups)

    What we're really protecting is that waste and incompetence.


  • #6083
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    Looking at that chart

    Time to start locking up the 65+ right now

    Honestly we've been far too PC with them

    They shouldn't be in shops, out and about right now

    For there safety they should be staying at home, online shopping only

    If this country had it's act together in any sort of reasonable way, I'd maybe agree with you, but the number of state services that require you to attend in person at an office location is only criminal, and if you don't attend, there's no service available. Driving licences, free travel cards, 2 examples of items that are not possible to deal with on line, and in some cases, the nearest office is outside of the 5K travel limit.

    It really is absurd, we need a PPS no, then there's a card for public services, a separate on line system for Mygovid, which is a disaster of a system, then a driving licence, and a medical card, at this stage, it would make a lot more sense to have one card that covers all of these requirements, and also covers things like passports, the technology is there, and a massive amount of the data being used would be common to every requirement, and the core code, the PPS number is already in use, and unique to each individual.

    Big brother? maybe, but stop and think about how much information about each of us is on line with companies like Google, Facebook and the like, and their excuse for having it is so that they can (supposedly) provide us with a better more personalised service.

    Imagine how easy it would be if any doctor in the country, hospital or GP could access your patient record to find out what treatment you have had, or what drugs you are being prescribed, or needs to look at an X-ray that was taken recently at a different facility.

    As things stand now, we have a massive number of (expensive) civil servants performing effectively duplicate tasks on the same core information so that their little fiefdom can have access to specific information about me that they need.

    Can we afford this duplication in future? NO, and the old concept of providing jobs for people that otherwise might be unemployed is no longer acceptable, we need to get to the point where we are getting real value for money from state services, instead of the unmitigated disaster that is happening in so many places, with no one ever accountable for things that go wrong.

    Over 65's have as much "right" as anybody else to live their lives, with appropriate precautions, but to suggest they should be effectively locked up because the rest of the community won't live with the restrictions that are appropriate to the need is a very slippery slope that we really should not go down. If we're not careful, the next step on that slope will be to suggest that maybe we should euthanase people with inconvenient illness, to protect the rest of the community, or perhaps euthanase people with mental or physical handicaps, so that "our world" is a better place. Not a direction we should be going in, not even slightly.

    Maybe the leadership should have been prepared to consider that opening up everything for a few weeks before Christmas was not such a good idea, but getting them to even talk about it, let alone admit it is not going to happen any time soon, votes are too important to them.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #6084
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    There's so much scaremongering hysterical rubbish spouted on this forum. I agree we should all take personnel responsibility and do the needful washing hands, good cough etiquette etc but we need to live with this virus and not lock ourselves away in a bunker 3 ft down for the next few weeks. The reason these numbers are so high is that people became complacent thinking there's a vaccine and we are out of the woods and let their guard down with house parties, social gatherings, browsing retail shops, visiting gastro pubs etc.


  • #6085
    Doctors room ghost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,839 ✭✭✭Doctors room ghost


    Anyone for a joke to lighten the mood.

    Why do divers jump backwards out of a boat?

    Because if they jumped forwards they would still be in the boat.


    I heard that on the wireless


  • #6086
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭prunudo


    C__MC wrote: »
    Alot of young people dont fear getting the virus unfortunately.

    Not sure what you class as young, but in my early 40s and I don't fear getting it myself.
    Would I prefer not to get it, absolutely. But my bigger fear would be contracting it and passing it onto my parents who are in their 70s or anyone else for that matter. If I got it I'd deal with it if or when it happened and fight it best I can but up until that point no point worrying about something you can't control.


  • #6087
    TheadoreT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭TheadoreT


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The risk of picking it up at a shop of petrol station is minuscule. Face to face contact is where this spreads. Lots of people took reasonable precautions when traveling to visit family, and many did not, but you cannot judge them all as being the same.

    And it’s people here thinking they could socialise like it was 2019 this Christmas that spread the virus. Look at the leading demographics in the surge. 25 to 44 year olds, followed by 19 to 24

    Minuscule is greater than zero. You're still putting them at a greater than negligible risk. Look at the amount of protective gear health staff wear and they still pick it up very often, it's a highly infectious virus.


  • #6088
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    Doctors room ghost wrote: »
    If it’s a 2020 pot of soup, the bastad spoon would burn you and the soup would give you ecoli poisoning, the way things are going

    And on top of all that salt is disastrous for high blood pressure.


  • #6089
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Ah for Jesus sake, I am ya. If your vulnerable and not protecting yourself to the best of your ability whose fault is it. Is it 50/50 or should they have no personal responsibility.
    My remark was tongue in cheek. I'd agree - definitely shared responsibility. That's why everyone is being is to stay at home, wash their hands, etc.


  • #6090
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    Family not to far from me with two kids in their 20's. Both living at home.


    One of the kids caught it a couple of months back. Luckily the rest of the family didn't catch it.


    Heard a few days ago that the other kid caught it over the Christmas. Was out and about at house parties.


    Both parents in their 60's.


    The kid is a fucking gob****e

    We're all gob****es at that age tbf*

    *Up to age 23...After that, I expected maturity and some sense to start kicking in


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  • #6091
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,642 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    If this country had it's act together in any sort of reasonable way, I'd maybe agree with you, but the number of state services that require you to attend in person at an office location is only criminal, and if you don't attend, there's no service available. Driving licences, free travel cards, 2 examples of items that are not possible to deal with on line, and in some cases, the nearest office is outside of the 5K travel limit.

    It really is absurd, we need a PPS no, then there's a card for public services, a separate on line system for Mygovid, which is a disaster of a system, then a driving licence, and a medical card, at this stage, it would make a lot more sense to have one card that covers all of these requirements, and also covers things like passports, the technology is there, and a massive amount of the data being used would be common to every requirement, and the core code, the PPS number is already in use, and unique to each individual.

    Big brother? maybe, but stop and think about how much information about each of us is on line with companies like Google, Facebook and the like, and their excuse for having it is so that they can (supposedly) provide us with a better more personalised service.

    Imagine how easy it would be if any doctor in the country, hospital or GP could access your patient record to find out what treatment you have had, or what drugs you are being prescribed, or needs to look at an X-ray that was taken recently at a different facility.

    As things stand now, we have a massive number of (expensive) civil servants performing effectively duplicate tasks on the same core information so that their little fiefdom can have access to specific information about me that they need.

    Can we afford this duplication in future? NO, and the old concept of providing jobs for people that otherwise might be unemployed is no longer acceptable, we need to get to the point where we are getting real value for money from state services, instead of the unmitigated disaster that is happening in so many places, with no one ever accountable for things that go wrong.

    Over 65's have as much "right" as anybody else to live their lives, with appropriate precautions, but to suggest they should be effectively locked up because the rest of the community won't live with the restrictions that are appropriate to the need is a very slippery slope that we really should not go down. If we're not careful, the next step on that slope will be to suggest that maybe we should euthanase people with inconvenient illness, to protect the rest of the community, or perhaps euthanase people with mental or physical handicaps, so that "our world" is a better place. Not a direction we should be going in, not even slightly.

    Maybe the leadership should have been prepared to consider that opening up everything for a few weeks before Christmas was not such a good idea, but getting them to even talk about it, let alone admit it is not going to happen any time soon, votes are too important to them.

    Public and media pressure to have some sort of meaningful Christmas resulted in the Government opening up for December.


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