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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #6002
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Inquitus wrote: »
    I spoke to the nurse yesterday on the HSE line, my wife and daughter had already tested positive and I have symptoms, she said due to the volume it would be best if I assume I have it and do not get a test, as I have to self isolate either way and effectively an official test makes no difference. I told her I would still like to be tested and she reluctantly agreed to set one up, I had it this morning.

    They said the same thing to my Father-in-law and as a result he is not going to get tested even though my Mother-in-law has tested positive.

    So you did get tested

    Has your father in law got symptoms?


  • #6003
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Frankly if this new strain is only 10% of these numbers we are absolutely fcuked when the new strain takes hold if its more contagious.


  • #6004
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    Inquitus wrote: »
    I spoke to the nurse yesterday on the HSE line, my wife and daughter had already tested positive and I have symptoms, she said due to the volume it would be best if I assume I have it and do not get a test, as I have to self isolate either way and effectively an official test makes no difference. I told her I would still like to be tested and she reluctantly agreed to set one up, I had it this morning.

    They said the same thing to my Father-in-law and as a result he is not going to get tested even though my Mother-in-law has tested positive.

    I’d be the same as you, I’d want to be tested, even with no symptoms I’d want to be tested.


  • #6005
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Further new restrictions were flagged on 20th December and announced on 21st. Many people did change behaviour over Christmas as a result of this. We have not seen anyone outside our household since 18th/19th December (and that was very limited).

    Not everyone was out partying over Xmas and NY. Many plans were cancelled. Others may have had very responsible meetings.

    What we can hope for now is that further seedlings of the virus are prevented through this new lockdown, that the hospitals are not overrun, that people who have the virus now recover, and that all goes well with the new vaccines. A lot of people have made huge sacrifices over the last year and better we look ahead but remember what happened in December.


  • #6006
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    Its like getting your name in the local paper for scoring an own goal in a Junior C match
    And reading between the lines he is pointing the finger at our neighbour for the explosion,yet NPHET say the new strain is only responsible for 5 to 17%,notwithstanding the fact that they have only a tiny sample analysed.


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  • #6007
    AutoTuning
    Closed Accounts Posts: 423 ✭✭AutoTuning


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Frankly if this new strain is only 10% of these numbers we are absolutely fcuked when the new strain takes hold if its more contagious.

    I suspect it has taken hold and our sample for sequencing is too small to have picked it up.

    That or the U.K. surge is nothing or at little to do with the new strain, but came down to similar or worse cavalier behaviour before and over Xmas and the new strain detection has just coincided with it.


  • #6008
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    MOR316 wrote: »
    How old are you?

    I ask because perhaps you don't remember...When we were all young, teenagers, in our 20s, we all thought we were invincible! We had no fear!

    People can say what they want but, me personally, I ain't gonna hold that against the youth! It's part of life and always has been

    Hold it against the youth? A selfish act is a selfish act no matter what age you are.

    If young people are driving the spread (I said if, not a factual statement) then their actions are driving the spread. That’s just a simple fact and needs to be recorded and acknowledged. You don’t learn anything from a crisis if you choose to ignore vital data because it might hurt some people’s feelings. I’d say people’s selfish ignorance is driving the spread, wouldn’t limit it to the younger people.

    We can all understand why certain people may be unmotivated to be more careful and still call it out as poor behavior. I’ve made mistakes no doubt during this pandemic but I generally try to adhere to recommendations and good practise. Would I of not really cared when I was in my 20s? Maybe I wouldn’t of cared but that wouldn’t be ok because I was younger, I would still be an ignorant selfish pr*ck that would hopefully mature and look back at how damaging my behavior has been during a crisis.

    It’s not NEPHET or the governments fault that many people took December as a time to do what they can before January lockdown. Being allowed to do something does not mean you should do it. What’s happening now, the disaster unfolding was not inevitable and it’s been primarily driven by human behavior. We were told what would happen if people didn’t limit their social interactions and are now suffering for it.


  • #6009
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    The cover up begins, we're now a poor mans China

    A) It's not true, if you've symptoms you should seek a test as recommended
    B) If we do get to that stage, where it is so rampant in the community that they're asking people to just assume they are positive due to close contact and symptoms, to just isolate and not seek a test due to testing capacity, then we're rightly up sh*t creek, and it couldnt be further from a cover up.


  • #6010
    Jimi H
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Jimi H


    Hopefully we’ll see a drop in numbers in a week or 10 days. Noticed a big drop in traffic over the last few days on the way to work so hopefully that’s a sign of people staying put. Is there any news on whether vaccination stops transmission? Haven’t been following


  • #6011
    Signore Fancy Pants
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭Signore Fancy Pants


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    This has been explained countless times for months now.

    Contact tracing only identifies people and places you have visited in the previous 48 hours. You will have acquired the disease prior to that. The purpose of contact tracing is to try and break the chain of transmission, not necessarily to identify where the disease was acquired.

    Just think about it for a minute. I am out tonight in a pub. I come into contact with someone who has Covid-19. I develop symptoms the following Friday. Contact tracing will only identify my contacts from Wednesday onwards. Of course it's not going to identify where I actually acquired the disease.

    Identifying the source of transmission only really comes into play for complex outbreak management and most cases are just attributed to an unknown source or to household transmission. Complex outbreak management is all but redundant with such high case numbers.

    The reality is we don't really have much information regarding the source of transmission in the vast, vast majority of cases.

    People really are deluded if they really think pubs and restaurants had nothing to do with seeding the cases for this explosion in case numbers.

    I heard that if you go into pubs and restaurants you cant get Covid if you cross your fingers. It's instant immunity.


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  • #6012
    BattleCorp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Jimi H wrote: »
    Hopefully we’ll see a drop in numbers in a week or 10 days. Noticed a big drop in traffic over the last few days on the way to work so hopefully that’s a sign of people staying put. Is there any news on whether vaccination stops transmission? Haven’t been following

    I don't share your optomism. An awful lot of people aren't back to work until Monday.


  • #6013
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Signore Fancy Pants wrote: »
    I heard that if you go into pubs and restaurants you cant get Covid if you cross your fingers. It's instant immunity.

    Or if you rename them a school.


  • #6014
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,596 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    alentejo wrote: »
    Outdoor transmission does occur, however it is a lot less than indoor transmission. Being in a line or queue outdoors is a lot less risky than being indoors esp if 2 meter rule is in place. I would suspect you would be very unlucky to get covid in this scenario.


    Why is that? What is the logic, the virus dies in the outdoor air? I don't get it, it's a soundbyte mate, one they repeat over and over. It has no scientific basis


  • #6015
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Why is that? What is the logic, the virus dies in the outdoor air? I don't get it, it's a soundbyte mate, one they repeat over and over. It has no scientific basis

    UV light kills viruses really fast.


  • #6016
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Hold it against the youth? A selfish act is a selfish act no matter what age you are.

    If young people are driving the spread (I said if, not a factual statement) then their actions are driving the spread. That’s just a simple fact and needs to be recorded and acknowledged. You don’t learn anything from a crisis if you choose to ignore vital data because it might hurt some people’s feelings. I’d say people’s selfish ignorance is driving the spread, wouldn’t limit it to the younger people.

    We can all understand why certain people may be unmotivated to be more careful and still call it out as poor behavior. I’ve made mistakes no doubt during this pandemic but I generally try to adhere to recommendations and good practise. Would I of not really cared when I was in my 20s? Maybe I wouldn’t of cared but that wouldn’t be ok because I was younger, I would still be an ignorant selfish pr*ck that would hopefully mature and look back at how damaging my behavior has been during a crisis.

    It’s not NEPHET or the governments fault that many people took December as a time to do what they can before January lockdown. Being allowed to do something does not mean you should do it. What’s happening now, the disaster unfolding was not inevitable and it’s been primarily driven by human behavior. We were told what would happen if people didn’t limit their social interactions and are now suffering for it.

    Whatever dude...

    If you want to go and blame 16-18 year olds or 21 year olds for their actions, because they have a fearlessness of youth in them, be my guest.


  • #6017
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Whatever dude...

    If you want to go and blame 16-18 year olds or 21 year olds for their actions, be my guest. I don't really care.

    Where did I blame them?


  • #6018
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,111 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    froog wrote: »
    UV light kills viruses really fast.

    Not in winter


  • #6019
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,370 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Renjit wrote: »
    Why dont you read about Typhoid Mary?

    No because Typhoid Mary didn't have Covid19!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #6020
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Where did I blame them?

    Very first line

    I'm not holding it against a kid because they think "nothing can stop me"

    You've been there! I've been there!

    I know you're not blaming it solely on them but, I ain't gonna hold it against them for meeting up or whatever


  • #6021
    Jimi H
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 375 ✭✭Jimi H


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I don't share your optomism. An awful lot of people aren't back to work until Monday.

    Maybe it is optimistic. The last few days on my route have been similar to March traffic wise and that’s I suppose why I’m hopeful but we’ll see on Monday as you say.


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  • #6022
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Jimi H wrote: »
    Maybe it is optimistic. The last few days on my route have been similar to March traffic wise and that’s I suppose why I’m hopeful but we’ll see on Monday as you say.

    You're not supposed to be optimistic in this thread


  • #6023
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Why is that? What is the logic, the virus dies in the outdoor air? I don't get it, it's a soundbyte mate, one they repeat over and over. It has no scientific basis

    Fresh air moves and disperses airborne particles. Much quicker than indoor settings. Not safe but definitely lower risk.

    It has significant scientific basis as it goes.

    Cold calm day though might not be the best time for lingering in a long queue


  • #6024
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 526 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    On the RTE news today if i am not dreaming we were told that the sample of positives analysed for the new strain was something like 160 and from this they found 10% were of the new strain.Maybe some of the numbers people here can explain how NPHET can now estimate that the new strain only accounts for 5 to 17% from such a tiny sample.Seems very dubious to me.


  • #6025
    Funsterdelux
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Funsterdelux


    MOR316 wrote: »
    You're not supposed to be optimistic in this thread

    And no way can you be positive either

    Yay!!!


  • #6026
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    AutoTuning wrote: »
    I suspect it has taken hold and our sample for sequencing is too small to have picked it up.

    That or the U.K. surge is nothing or at little to do with the new strain, but came down to similar or worse cavalier behaviour before and over Xmas and the new strain detection has just coincided with it.

    My theory is that the fast spread is nothing to do with the new variant, either here or in the UK. It was always likely that winter would result in a higher reproductive rate, people are indoors for longer with less ventilation, perfect condtions for the virus. It is no surprise at all, I'm afraid. I read Francois Balloux's tweets quite a bit and he predicted a winter 2nd wave in Europe worse than the 1st wave, he said it was inevitable.


  • #6027
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Fresh air moves and disperses airborne particles. Much quicker than indoor settings. Not safe but definitely lower risk.

    It has significant scientific basis as it goes.

    Well, a fart lingers longer indoors than it does outdoors so...


  • #6028
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    And no way can you be positive either

    Yay!!!

    See what you did there.

    Have a "thanks"

    It's on the house :cool:


  • #6029
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Benimar wrote: »

    If anyone had said on December 1st that we would have 3 days in a row with over 4,000 positive swabs they would have been laughed out of it.
    People were laughed at for predicting 1000 cases a day too, so yeah, you're absolutely right.


    froog wrote: »
    UV light kills viruses really fast.
    Pretty sure the quantities of UV don't do it much harm here at any time of year.


  • #6030
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Well, a fart lingers longer indoors than it does outdoors so...

    Back to first principles there


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  • #6031
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Very first line

    You were singling out young people, I said a selfish act is a selfish act, it doesn’t matter who you are or what age you are.

    But If it transpires that more young people have been driving spread then they don’t get a pass because they are young and it might upset them. You don’t need to castigate them either, but a conversation should be had on how little value being placed on other people’s lives.


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