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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #5282
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Are they using an excel sheet? Or windows 98?

    A cap on a system reporting results makes zero sense in 2020

    The system they are using is 20 years old

    Probably built on NT


  • #5283
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Well, probably not even 4000 under 65's would die of COVID even if everyone in Ireland got it.
    I really don't get the obsession with under 65 deaths, nobody has said they are at risk and they are not the ones to be worrying about. Some people overemphasize the risk to younger folk in order to I don't know deceive or scare people into thinking it's scarier than it is, and likewise people on the other side regularly hit us with these figures as if they've blown open some horrendous scandal we are completely oblivious to , meaning they think anyone over 65 is completely expandable.

    There are enough people in society who are within this at risk group that COVID becomes a threat to major loss of life and by now I would have thought vast vast majority of people following restrictions are not doing it necessarily for their own health but that of older family and friends and people in the community.


    Ok, let's say it's only 1000 people, what happens to everyone else who needs hospitalisation or worse ICU care for non covid issues while we wait for these 1000 irrelevant old people to die?


  • #5284
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Stheno wrote: »
    The system they are using is 20 years old

    Probably built on NT

    There are so many off-the-shelf systems out there they could use for this, like any CRM would do a solid job here, but the procurement process is such a mess in public bodies that it's always built-for-purpose and exactly as per some made-up spec.


  • #5285
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Stheno wrote: »
    The system they are using is 20 years old

    Probably built on NT

    And yet isn't Ireland's spend per capita on healthcare in excess of most OECD nations?

    That spend must not extend to IT systems however..

    I'd love to set how many pandemic preparedness junkets the HSE lads have been on over the years.. wonder did they even take some notes.


  • #5286
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Ok, let's say it's only 1000 people, what happens to everyone else who needs hospitalisation or worse ICU care for non covid issues while we wait for these 1000 irrelevant old people to die?

    It's probably not the best time to have that stroke, heart attack or car accident.


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  • #5287
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    How?
    How can this be a thing

    What's it actually impacting though?
    Sure it's annoying, but they are still testing and treating every positive case, the fact that some posters doing get to wallow it larger numbers is kinda irrelevant really...


  • #5288
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    It's probably not the best time to have that stroke, heart attack or car accident.

    No no, this is an old people problem only.:rolleyes:


  • #5289
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    prunudo wrote: »
    Looking at social media there are many sections of society who don't give a **** about this virus or the consequences of their actions.

    What do you think will make them change? It’s a genuine question. The repeated concern and worry for almost 12 months I believe just became static like the boy crying wolf.At the start back in March 2020 it was said the virus was mostly dangerous to the elderly and those with underlying conditions. There is a very small cohort posting here and I believe lurkers wouldn’t be much higher.


  • #5290
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
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    That spend must not extend to IT systems however..

    I'd love to set how many pandemic preparedness junkets the HSE lads have been on over the years.. wonder did they even take some notes.

    Probably on paper like the Public Health track and tracers are having to do due to their lack of foresight.


  • #5291
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,130 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Are they using an excel sheet? Or windows 98?

    A cap on a system reporting results makes zero sense in 2020

    I think they are using an abacus.


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  • #5292
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    20 years ago would be a step on from the recovery from Y2K fiasco and they didnt think to update:confused::confused::confused:


  • #5293
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What do you think will make them change? It’s a genuine question. The repeated concern and worry for almost 12 months I believe just became static like the boy crying wolf.At the start back in March 2020 it was said the virus was mostly dangerous to the elderly and those with underlying conditions. There is a very small cohort posting here and I believe lurkers wouldn’t be much higher.

    You do understand the story of the boy who cried wolf, right?

    Like you do get that we see rises and take action which does the numbers again? You do see that the wolf that we have constantly been warned about is now freely roaming the streets?

    Tbh I don't think you understood that story at all.


  • #5294
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    It's probably not the best time to have that stroke, heart attack or car accident.

    Scary part is, it's nearly everything. The above 3 are obviously very serious, but I've been to A&E 3 times in the last ~5 years with easy-to-treat issues that I was in and out in 24-48 hours. Without (simple) treatment though, they all would have been very serious, one a case of anaphylactic shock.


  • #5295
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,823 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    I really don't get the obsession with under 65 deaths, nobody has said they are at risk .

    srsly-5af14c.jpg


  • #5296
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,097 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What do you think will make them change? It’s a genuine question. The repeated concern and worry for almost 12 months I believe just became static like the boy crying wolf.At the start back in March 2020 it was said the virus was mostly dangerous to the elderly and those with underlying conditions. There is a very small cohort posting here and I believe lurkers wouldn’t be much higher.

    Probably will take stories of their mates ending up in hospital for them to realise it can be serious to any age group.
    I still believe we can live with covid, but people need to realise huddling around having chats, whether thats over coffee or pints is recipe for spreading it. As I said though we all know that, but there are plenty who've either lost interest or don't care.


  • #5297
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Scary part is, it's nearly everything. The above 3 are obviously very serious, but I've been to A&E 3 times in the last ~5 years with easy-to-treat issues that I was in and out in 24-48 hours. Without (simple) treatment though, they all would have been very serious, one a case of anaphylactic shock.

    Especially the anaphylactic shock. No need to remind you what might have happened!


  • #5298
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    GreeBo wrote: »
    You do understand the story of the boy who cried wolf, right?

    Like you do get that we see rises and take action which does the numbers again? You do see that the wolf that we have constantly been warned about is now freely roaming the streets?

    Tbh I don't think you understood that story at all.

    So what do you think needs to change to encourage those that don’t give a f**k to actually give a f**k. It was a question I asked. Pointing out a droning message gets lost as static may not be true to you but it is recognised in real life maybe not here though.


  • #5299
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    YoYo lockdowns are futile its proven now.

    I'd disagree that they are futile, but they are a sign of abject policy failure, unfortunately.


  • #5300
    Stheno
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    lawred2 wrote: »
    And yet isn't Ireland's spend per capita on healthcare in excess of most OECD nations?

    That spend must not extend to IT systems however..

    I'd love to set how many pandemic preparedness junkets the HSE lads have been on over the years.. wonder did they even take some notes.

    HSE IT is pretty dysfunctional, there seems to be a complete lack of strategy tbh

    Same for the rest of the HSE there is a mindset that strives to aspire to mediocrity embedded in the organisation imo


  • #5301
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    prunudo wrote: »
    Probably will take stories of their mates ending up in hospital for them to realise it can be serious to any age group.
    I still believe we can live with covid, but people need to realise huddling around having chats, whether thats over coffee or pints is recipe for spreading it. As I said though we all know that, but there are plenty who've either lost interest or don't care.

    I have a 21 year old. He’s very active on SM with his college friends. Several of his friends have contracted the virus all have recovered. The latest lad told my son he lost his sense of taste and smell but after two days all good.
    Well the finger wagging and pontificating here won’t change their attitude (as I suspect the target market has no interest in this site) when they perceive little to no danger. Thanks for your answer.


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  • #5302
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    YoYo lockdowns are futile its proven now. Its a complete failure of government to not at least attempt 0 covid or as close to it as possible given border constraints.

    I think you have to be happy with the alternative to make that statement. The alternative is that the health system becomes Covid only and much larger numbers of people will fall severely sick and die. If you think that a suitable alternative to the lockdown then please do go ahead and stick with that statement.


  • #5303
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    YoYo lockdowns are futile its proven now. Its a complete failure of government to not at least attempt 0 covid or as close to it as possible given border constraints.

    Zero Covid is not possible, close to Zero Covid you’ll have to explain? It’s like saying almost pregnant.


  • #5304
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,767 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I have a 21 year old. He’s very active on SM with his college friends. Several of his friends have contracted the virus all have recovered. The latest lad told my son he lost his sense of taste and smell but after two days all good.
    Well the finger wagging and pontificating here won’t change their attitude (as I suspect the target market has no interest in this site) when they perceive little to no danger. Thanks for your answer.

    I blame the parents :pac:


  • #5305
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    AutoTuning wrote: »
    I suggested a few weeks ago on a few forums that we should have cooled it dramatically for Christmas and stayed home. I was laughed out of it and/or torn apart.

    Now the same people are blaming government and everyone else. Nobody forced anyone to go mingling or to throw Xmas parties, fly in from abroad or drive all over the country or to go out to crowded shops. It was blatantly obvious there was a huge risk. This is entirely on all those who decided having a normal Christmas was far more important than anything else.

    If those figures are accurate and we’ve a major meltdown this week that’s what’s caused it.

    We are obsessed with Xmas. It was hyped and hyped and hyped and always had been. If you’re not having a magical time and clearing out half of the shops beforehand there’s something wrong with you apparently.

    You’ve people on here appealing for personal responsibility to drive the response and for the government to step back. Thats exactly what was offered and exactly what was done, yet here we are!

    We don’t take personal responsibility we have a culture of blame the authorities, blame and possibly sue the experts.

    This is a case I’ve “well I’ve had my fun and that’s all that matters.”

    I was of the same thinking and some of the abuse i got was a bit over the top on other forums and here. You'd swear i was asking people to sell their first born child instead of use a degree of self awareness and responsibility to the collective.

    But yeah the gubbbberment.


  • #5306
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,097 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I have a 21 year old. He’s very active on SM with his college friends. Several of his friends have contracted the virus all have recovered. The latest lad told my son he lost his sense of taste and smell but after two days all good.
    Well the finger wagging and pontificating here won’t change their attitude (as I suspect the target market has no interest in this site) when they perceive little to no danger. Thanks for your answer.

    I agree, and 21 year me would probably be the same to be honest.
    Once numbers are low I think we can live in a level 3 with limited hospitality and household visits until the vaccine rollout is better. But at this moment in time, I think thats another cluster**** in the makings.


  • #5307
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    blade1 wrote: »
    I blame the parents :pac:

    I blame the virus, humans are social creatures well most are.


  • #5308
    Treseemme.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 124 ✭✭Treseemme.


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I'd disagree that they are futile, but they are a sign of abject policy failure, unfortunately.

    Will be trouble down the road too

    Lockdown and wait for a vaccine all over again the next pandemic


  • #5309
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Stheno wrote: »
    HSE IT is pretty dysfunctional, there seems to be a complete lack of strategy tbh

    Same for the rest of the HSE there is a mindset that strives to aspire to mediocrity embedded in the organisation imo

    Seniority based on time served will do that to any organization


  • #5310
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    Not possible? Why? Please don't bother with the "them up north" shtick. There's already been solutions of how to deal with NI if they don't follow suit ( see ISAG Vid from 2 days ago). If you think this policy of rolling lockdowns is the only way out then fairplay. Its done more harm than good and that's a fact. We haven't been living with covid at all , we've barely been living for the past 4 months(soon to be 6) .

    ‘Please don’t bother’ good advice I ‘m not going to again. Many others have explained as well.


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  • #5311
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Are they using an excel sheet? Or windows 98?

    A cap on a system reporting results makes zero sense in 2020

    Because its nearly 20 years old. Its an ancient system


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