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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #5012
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    niallo27 wrote: »
    How is it a cop out, I have not got the virus and I followed guidelines along with millions of others. How is it a cop out from us to expect the hse to at least get their houses in order. Also even if it only bought us a week which I sincerely doubt, your talking a few weeks easily it could mean saving 100s of lives, do you not think they are worth saving.

    Niall, there are thousands and thousands of people all over the country who don't yet know they have the virus.
    You could be one of them. I could be one of them.

    I've my fingers crossed, but still deeply worried that we're not one of the lucky families


  • #5013
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    There were ways to do an opening which would have at least helped to try and prevent the current scale of the escalation. One poster on here did a long post on how we could have gone about things differently in terms of timings and still kept certain restrictions in place while allowing businesses to open.

    You keep repeating this lockdown into a lockdown thing. We never had plans to go from Fully closed to Fully open. In all the plans around Covid, we had very heavy restrictions to control outbreaks when they got serious and then very slow devolution of these restrictions in tiered levels which are rolled back if and when cases rise.

    Christmas was just a free for all let's just roll the dice and party for a bit which was never in any plans around this pandemic.

    We are talking about non essential retail, it's either fully open or fully closed. Do you think it should have opened at the start of December.


  • #5014
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Antares35 wrote: »
    I posted about this a while ago and was accused of lying.

    Well people on another site, who work in London hospitals, are saying it isn't true, that child patients have been consolidated into fewer locations to make space for adults. There is no increase.


  • #5015
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,883 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Nphet, government HSE has been worried, concerned, next two weeks are crucial since last March. I’m surprised people continued to listen to them as long as they did.

    But you have been saying the same thing since March and you still manage together some people to listen to you?


  • #5016
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Things must be bad when Harris is tweeting at 11.30

    https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1345149224095277056


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  • #5017
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    tigger123 wrote: »
    Messaging was crystal clear to anyone with
    with half a brain; this Christmas was going to be very different.
    It was not crystal clear.

    Hospitality should not have re-opened. That would have been crystal clear.


  • #5018
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,160 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    the kelt wrote: »
    Wasn’t the purpose of lockdown twofold as we have been told?

    One to stop the hospitals getting over run and secondly to buy time for the proper procedures, infrastructure etc to be out in place to deal with the pandemic?

    People seem to just keep referencing the first part constantly.

    That's true, but I think the situation is complicated is by the fact that you are battling against something that spreads quickly exponentially and effortlessly.

    Wheras all the resources you put in place have to built or put on stream linearly - and require masses of training, money, resources, people etc, etc. It's not easy to scale up everything to the extent that you can avoid eventual punative control measures - and you are already at a disadvantage because you are dealing with all this on top of all the usual stuff which already strains your resources.

    And doctors and nurses require weeks, months, years of training - they can't just be rushed through the process, even testers and contact tracers require training and Covid can just run riot in the space of just a few days/weeks.

    There was a bit of naivete at one point that once you get numbers down you can throw resources at fighting it and keep it muzzled, but Covid is just ****ing relentless, you might slow it down for a period but you can't scale your resources up indefinitely - you may buy yourself a bit more time - but eventually you can't realistically contact trace your way out of it past a certain point. The problem becomes too big and you have to try to crush it with the hammer of lockdown.


  • #5019
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Niall, there are thousands and thousands of people all over the country who don't yet know they have the virus.
    You could be one of them. I could be one of them.

    I've my fingers crossed, but still deeply worried that we're not one of the lucky families

    Well if we have it then we are all ****ed, no restrictions will stop us getting it.


  • #5020
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    hmmm wrote: »
    It was not crystal clear.

    Hospitality should not have re-opened. That would have been crystal clear.

    I agree that it should not have been reopened.

    This is why we can't have nice things.


  • #5021
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    In fairness their knowledge and skillsets didn't predict what has played out over the last couple of weeks. Experts they may be but they're not infallible. If anyone had suggested we would have 1.6k cases a day with a backlog of 1000s by Jan 1st then different decisions would have been made.

    So they were too conservative in their predictions? Nobody expects them to have a crystal ball. It's based on cases at time of modelling.

    NPHET get slated for doom mongers, scaremongers etc but then the argument is they should have somehow known in advance things would get this bad and have been even more pessimistic in their modelling


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  • #5022
    GiftofGab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭GiftofGab


    Rumours that there were 5573 positive swabs today.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/covid19dataie/status/1345045872636276736?s=21


  • #5023
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    hmmm wrote: »
    It was not crystal clear.

    Hospitality should not have re-opened. That would have been crystal clear.

    Jobs!


  • #5024
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    niallo27 wrote: »
    We are talking about non essential retail, it's either fully open or fully closed. Do you think it should have opened at the start of December.

    You can't look at it in isolation. That doesn't make sense. All the measures at any one current time should be devised to work together in terms of what you are seeing numbers-wise and the projections that you make based on restricting or un-restricting certain things. Restricting in one area might give me more leeway in another and vice versa.

    In terms of what I would have done is I would have surrounded myself with a team of experts to analyze the situation and taken advice from them on what they think is feasible and implemented that plan.


  • #5025
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    hmmm wrote: »
    The problem is not beds, the problem is staff. You can't magic up ICU nurses and doctors.

    Even if we had spent a fortune, and found loads of new staff, it would make little impact if the virus numbers are doubling every week.

    An ICU bed is the last line of defence, and not a capacity target we aim at.

    I'm not saying it's a target we should aim for but it increases our capacity to deal with things and can play a role in the length of lockdowns, I mean are you more likely to relax restrictions at hospital capacity of 50% or at 75%. To your original point its not good enough for the hse to just say I don't care if millions of you followed the guidelines, thousands of you didn't so its ok we did **** all, its your fault.


  • #5026
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Well if we have it then we are all ****ed, no restrictions will stop us getting it.

    What?


  • #5027
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    HSE Operations report out:
    In Hospital: 530 (476 Yesterday) +54
    In ICU: 50 (41 Yesterday) +9
    Ventilated: 26 (22 Yesterday) +4
    1 Death reported in ICU


  • #5028
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    HSE Operations report out:
    In Hospital: 530 (476 Yesterday) +54
    In ICU: 50 (41 Yesterday) +9
    Ventilated: 26 (22 Yesterday) +4
    1 Death reported in ICU

    Roughly 10% increase by day then.
    Not good at all.


  • #5029
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    What?

    I have only left the house for exercise since Christmas along with the family and I presume your even more cautious. If we get it then no restrictions will stop people getting it.


  • #5030
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Well if we have it then we are all ****ed, no restrictions will stop us getting it.

    A full lockdown as suggested at the start of December would have reduced plenty of people from getting it. We should have went hard and heavy last week also when it was obvious things where going off the rails but even now we fanny around pretending we are taking action.

    People like Jim O'Callaghan and other politicians put pressure on on behalf of special interest lobby groups to open everything up. I actually remember him doing at least 4 radio and TV gigs in one day shilling on behalf of them weeks ago.

    If anger is warranted (and it is imo) it's at people of his ilk.


  • #5031
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    You can't look at it in isolation. That doesn't make sense. All the measures at any one current time should be devised to work together in terms of what you are seeing numbers-wise and the projections that you make based on restricting or un-restricting certain things. Restricting in one area might give me more leeway in another and vice versa.

    In terms of what I would have done is I would have surrounded myself with a team of experts to analyze the situation and taken advice from them on what they think is feasible and implemented that plan.

    Yeah, and you always have to work on the basis that you have a fairly crap hospital capacity. That always has to be front and centre in your decision making.

    We have, unofficially, one of the highest incidence rates in Europe if not the world, and a hospital capacity that could be flooded within a week.


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  • #5032
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    I think this ENglish strain has taken NPHET by surprise along with the quick rise of cases from mixing since the end of the last lockdown, they never expected or could have planned for both to hit at the same time.


  • #5033
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Eod100 wrote: »
    So they were too conservative in their predictions? Nobody expects them to have a crystal ball. It's based on cases at time of modelling.

    NPHET get slated for doom mongers, scaremongers etc but then the argument is they should have somehow known in advance things would get this bad and have been even more pessimistic in their modelling

    Are you agreeing with me that their models are useless? Regardless of the cases at the time of modelling, if you can't predict growth with some level of accuracy then the model is worthless.

    I was responding to a poster who said NPHET warned of this, they didn't.


  • #5034
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Roughly 10% increase by day then.
    Not good at all.

    I wouldn't use that as a metric, as come the weekend, discharges drop while new admissions continue. If Admissions are increasing 10% daily then that's a different story


  • #5035
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    GiftofGab wrote: »
    Rumours that there were 5573 positive swabs today.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/covid19dataie/status/1345045872636276736?s=21

    That's from earlier alright. Cases are lottery these days could be anywhere from 1,500/1,700ish to who knows how many with the backlog and reporting issues.


  • #5036
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    khalessi wrote: »
    I think this ENglish strain has taken NPHET by surprise along with the quick rise of cases from mixing since the end of the last lockdown, they never expected or could have planned for both to hit at the same time.

    90% of new cases aren't the UK variant here in Ireland


  • #5037
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    HSE Operations report out:
    In Hospital: 530 (476 Yesterday) +54
    In ICU: 50 (41 Yesterday) +9
    Ventilated: 26 (22 Yesterday) +4
    1 Death reported in ICU

    We're going to need help.


  • #5038
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    Poignant song and lyrics for today... may this New Year bring hope, health, healing, humanity and hugs.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYCyCaK_5k


  • #5039
    Louis Friend
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 590 ✭✭✭Louis Friend


    The ‘Monday Morning Quarterbacking’ here is gas.

    The gamechanger in terms of infection rates is the new more contagious variant.

    That wasn’t and could never have been foreseen in early December.


  • #5040
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,397 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    What?

    Doesn't maximising vaccine into arms at this stage have merit?
    I'm amazed!
    Dr Anthony Fauci, the US’s top infectious disease expert, has told CNN on Friday that the United States would not follow the UK’s lead in front-loading first vaccine injections, potentially delaying the administration of second doses.

    This wee, the UK announced plans to delay second shots of its two authorised vaccines, developed by Pfizer/BioNTech and Oxford/AstraZeneca, in an attempt to dole out to more people the partial protection conferred by a single dose.

    “I would not be in favour of that,” Dr Fauci said. “We’re going to keep doing what we’re doing.”

    The Guardian


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  • #5041
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Instead of arguing with strangers on here, would we not be better off just focusing on what we can do, each of us as individuals, to better the current situation no?


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