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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4982
    octsol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭octsol


    majcos wrote: »
    Not yet.

    I would bet any money they have to wait for the IT staff to help before they post a report for the 1st day of January 2021


  • #4983
    theballz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭theballz


    memorystick wrote: »
    Will the schools reopen for January? I’m a teacher and am really anxious. Overweight and asthma with high blood pressure.

    They will reopen for sure.


  • #4984
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    memorystick wrote: »
    Will the schools reopen for January? I’m a teacher and am really anxious. Overweight and asthma with high blood pressure.

    Very hard to see to be honest


  • #4985
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    You need to start a thread about those other issues Mor316, this one is about the Covid19 situation. He's not my hero either just giving a fair assessment of what he said. It he'd said "all is good happy days" continuously iv'e a funny feeling you'd be on here giving out yards about that also

    Well considering I've stated numerous times that my problems with him don't only stem from this pandemic and that I have always adhered to the recommendations, your latest post brings into question your reading skills and your ability to absorb information

    He has said a lot of things since March and has provided not one bit of evidence for some (I said some, not at all!) of his statements, as people accept them because "Tony said so"
    Baffling but, whatever you're into. I'm not going down that rabbit hole as people are wound up as it is.

    I'm not arguing about the case numbers but, cases were going to rise, even if everywhere stayed closed. The terms, "my friend" "households" "house parties" have appeared numerous times in these threads over the last week.

    If you want to vent your wrath at something, I'd suggest reading the posts and aiming it elsewhere


  • #4986
    nialler1978
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 254 ✭✭nialler1978


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I'd imagine it would and should be shutting down for a couple of months at least.

    Sorry

    thank you. if anyone has any suggestions for alternatives which meet guidelines i'd appreciate it. he is absolutely gutted its not on.

    I spoke to an organiser in the club, they have absolutely no idea what is happening or what is permitted so they didnt send anything out


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  • #4987
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    memorystick wrote: »
    Will the schools reopen for January? I’m a teacher and am really anxious. Overweight and asthma with high blood pressure.

    It's hard to predict at this stage. If the case numbers are higher before 11th than now it would seem difficult politically to do so you'd think but closing them would effectively be an admission of failure and have lot of knock on impacts. Also with the UK variant more prevalent in under 20s. I feel for teachers like yourself put in this position.


  • #4988
    delly
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    memorystick wrote: »
    Will the schools reopen for January? I’m a teacher and am really anxious. Overweight and asthma with high blood pressure.

    There is no clear answer from the government on this, but logic says they won't. They will leave it until as late as possible to keep them closed, as MM will see it as his failure if he has to make the call. They gambled on keeping them open and did not invest in any country wide online plan, hence leaving it until the very last minute.


  • #4989
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    memorystick wrote: »
    Will the schools reopen for January? I’m a teacher and am really anxious. Overweight and asthma with high blood pressure.
    theballz wrote: »
    They will reopen for sure.
    giveitholly wrote: »
    Very hard to see to be honest

    :D

    We don't know I think is the answer ms.


  • #4990
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    Believe it or not I actually think all the socialising was partly caused by a belief that a lockdown in January was inevitable. Almost like last orders at a bar.
    100%. People were told to enjoy a normal Christmas because everything was getting closed in January, and off they went. They were even told that the hospitality industry was opening because it was their most important time of the year, so almost as if you had a moral obligation to support them.

    The after everyone got infected in the pub, they all got together for Christmas dinner.

    I don't know anyone who knows or cares what the advice is on household visits. "You can meet one other person on Tuesdays, but not in a garden and only on a patio. On Wednesdays you can meet two people not from different households" or whatever it is, it seems to change repeatedly. That's not how people behave.

    You didn't even need hindsight, lots of people said in advance how idiotic the messaging was.


  • #4991
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Those same businesses and people are now as a result facing maybe months of heavy restrictions along with causing damage to other areas.

    So you would have shut them for months to stop them being shut for months. You do realise how important Christmas is to them. Give them months of being shutdown for a few weeks of Christmas.


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  • #4992
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,883 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    majcos wrote: »
    Of course. It’s far too early to draw any conclusions on the clinical behaviour of the variant strains in any age group based on this data. That wasn’t really my intention.

    Had started writing that post more to highlight that not everyone admitted to hospital is over 80. I only added the comparison on the younger age group as it was an age group that had been just mentioned. There is no statistical significance that can be drawn from the comparison. Will add an edit to post above so as not to mislead anyone.

    From what I heard today the increases in younger age groups symptomatic in A&E and being admitted is just in the last 2 to 3 days , here in Dublin, which would point to a change in status quo .
    Question is the variant rising and pushing this , or is it not of any significance taken with numbers of these age groups being infected ?


  • #4993
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/bbc5live/status/1345006866829463552?s=20

    Matron of a hospital in London talking about how the new strain of virus is affected children and younger people much more. Wards full of sick children not seen previously in the year

    I posted about this a while ago and was accused of lying.


  • #4994
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    hmmm wrote: »
    100%. People were told to enjoy a normal Christmas because everything was getting closed in January, and off they went. They were even told that the hospitality industry was opening because it was their most important time of the year, so almost as if you had a moral obligation to support them.

    You didn't even need hindsight, lots of people said in advance how idiotic the messaging was.

    People were encouraged to have a meaningful Christmas, but the messaging was clear that this Christmas would be like none we've ever had before.

    People were not told to have a normal Christmas.


  • #4995
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's a cop-out to excuse people's behaviours. Easy to blame the HSE when the virus is running rampant.

    Even if we doubled our ICU capacity and magiced up the staff, it would only buy us an extra week in the current scenario where cases are doubling every week.

    Think gov should have definitely invested in public health depts and contact tracing anyway but that and ICU capacity won't prevent someone getting infected when cases are so high.

    It's individual behaviours which need to break chains of transmission at this stage.


  • #4996
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    I'm genuinely worried that this will be a defining crisis for Ireland. We could well be one of the countries often cited in history books.
    With the end in sight, to have ****ed up this royally is incredibly aggravating.

    Our hospitals are ok as I write this. They might even be a little quiet for this time of year.
    It's a weird thing that we all have to make a huge effort immediately to ease the stress they'll be under in the future. We as an entire country have to get into a new mindset right away. I think we're the right sort of people to actually turn this around, but even now I'm not sure the message is strong enough.


  • #4997
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    From what I heard today the increases in younger age groups symptomatic in A&E and being admitted is just in the last 2 to 3 days , here in Dublin, which would point to a change in status quo .
    Question is the variant rising and pushing this , or is it not of any significance taken with numbers of these age groups being infected ?

    Something like 65% of cases the past few.days seem to be under 45 which may be contributing


  • #4998
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    hmmm wrote: »
    100%. People were told to enjoy a normal Christmas because everything was getting closed in January, and off they went. They were even told that the hospitality industry was opening because it was their most important time of the year, so almost as if you had a moral obligation to support them.

    The after everyone got infected in the pub, they all got together for Christmas dinner.

    I don't know anyone who knows or cares what the advice is on household visits. "You can meet one other person on Tuesdays, but not in a garden and only on a patio. On Wednesdays you can meet two people not from different households" or whatever it is, it seems to change repeatedly. That's not how people behave.

    You didn't even need hindsight, lots of people said in advance how idiotic the messaging was.

    I don't remember anyone in NPHET or in government telling people to have a normal Xmas.


  • #4999
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Is anyone else having an issue with this site? Keeping reloading and losing pages

    Has been a bit flakey all day.


  • #5000
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    niallo27 wrote: »
    So you would have shut them for months to stop them being shut for months. You do realise how important Christmas is to them. Give them months of being shutdown for a few weeks of Christmas.

    There were ways to do an opening which would have at least helped to try and prevent the current scale of the escalation. One poster on here did a long post on how we could have gone about things differently in terms of timings and still kept certain restrictions in place while allowing businesses to open.

    You keep repeating this lockdown into a lockdown thing. We never had plans to go from Fully closed to Fully open. In all the plans around Covid, we had very heavy restrictions to control outbreaks when they got serious and then very slow devolution of these restrictions in tiered levels which are rolled back if and when cases rise.

    Christmas was just a free for all let's just roll the dice and party for a bit which was never in any plans around this pandemic.


  • #5001
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    tigger123 wrote: »
    People were encouraged to have a meaningful Christmas, but the messaging was clear that this Christmas would be like none we've ever had before.

    People were not told to have a normal Christmas.
    I think if you're someone who is on these forums you're aware that it was not meant to be a "normal" Christmas.

    But I think for many people it was seen as a "reward" for the previous lockdown, they were told the pubs and restaurants were open, and they were told we were going back into lockdown in January. So naturally people are going to try and make the most of it.

    Most normal people don't watch the HSE press conferences, and are no longer listening to when the Taoiseach makes grand pronouncements from a podium. They're picking up snippets of news and are feeling their way through this using their "common sense".

    It's a failure of psychology or common sense.


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  • #5002
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    From what I heard today the increases in younger age groups symptomatic in A&E and being admitted is just in the last 2 to 3 days , here in Dublin, which would point to a change in status quo .
    Question is the variant rising and pushing this , or is it not of any significance taken with numbers of these age groups being infected ?

    Would that just be in terms of more people u20s getting sick with new variant so means more people could be hospitalized? As opposed to new variant causing these people to be sicker?


  • #5003
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's a cop-out to excuse people's behaviours. Easy to blame the HSE when the virus is running rampant.

    Even if we doubled our ICU capacity and magiced up the staff, it would only buy us an extra week in the current scenario where cases are doubling every week.

    How is it a cop out, I have not got the virus and I followed guidelines along with millions of others. How is it a cop out from us to expect the hse to at least get their houses in order. Also even if it only bought us a week which I sincerely doubt, your talking a few weeks easily it could mean saving 100s of lives, do you not think they are worth saving.


  • #5004
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    NPHET and Tony have been shown to have been pretty on the money the whole way through this with their very cautious approach. The amazement and horror at the people with the stats, data, experience, and skillsets in this area actually know what they are talking about must be shocking to many here claiming all sorts of disgusting things about them on this thread.

    We are now though at a point where all the recriminations and arguments about the past get us nowhere.

    In fairness their knowledge and skillsets didn't predict what has played out over the last couple of weeks. Experts they may be but they're not infallible. If anyone had suggested we would have 1.6k cases a day with a backlog of 1000s by Jan 1st then different decisions would have been made.


  • #5005
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    nialler1978 wrote: »
    thank you. if anyone has any suggestions for alternatives which meet guidelines i'd appreciate it. he is absolutely gutted its not on.

    I spoke to an organiser in the club, they have absolutely no idea what is happening or what is permitted so they didnt send anything out

    honestly the best advice is to stay home and limit contacts

    I know that's not what you want to hear, but this is a ****ing disaster. It's a ****ing shame. I'm sorry for your kid.


  • #5006
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    hmmm wrote: »
    100%. People were told to enjoy a normal Christmas because everything was getting closed in January, and off they went. They were even told that the hospitality industry was opening because it was their most important time of the year, so almost as if you had a moral obligation to support them.

    The after everyone got infected in the pub, they all got together for Christmas dinner.

    I don't know anyone who knows or cares what the advice is on household visits. "You can meet one other person on Tuesdays, but not in a garden and only on a patio. On Wednesdays you can meet two people not from different households" or whatever it is, it seems to change repeatedly. That's not how people behave.

    You didn't even need hindsight, lots of people said in advance how idiotic the messaging was.

    If this is what people believe the advice was, then we really do have a communication problem.
    I know you didn't believe this, but how awful that some people thought it OK to socialise over Christmas.
    The message was always minimise your social contacts as much as possible.


  • #5007
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    niallo27 wrote: »
    How is it a cop out, I have not got the virus and I followed guidelines along with millions of others. How is it a cop out from us to expect the hse to at least get their houses in order. Also even if it only bought us a week which I sincerely doubt, your talking a few weeks easily it could mean saving 100s of lives, do you not think they are worth saving.
    The problem is not beds, the problem is staff. You can't magic up ICU nurses and doctors.

    Even if we had spent a fortune, and found loads of new staff, it would make little impact if the virus numbers are doubling every week.

    An ICU bed is the last line of defence, and not a capacity target we aim at.


  • #5008
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    You are never looking to get to a point where you have high ICU numbers. The capacity is needed when you have already failed in controlling the virus. If you have thousands of people in ICU it isn't a win because you have the capacity to cope.


  • #5009
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    In fairness their knowledge and skillsets didn't predict what has played out over the last couple of weeks. Experts they may be but they're not infallible. If anyone had suggested we would have 1.6k cases a day with a backlog of 1000s by Jan 1st then different decisions would have been made.

    Actually yeah, this is a very good point!

    They didn't predict this at all.


  • #5010
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    hmmm wrote: »
    I think if you're someone who is on these forums you're aware that it was not meant to be a "normal" Christmas.

    But I think for many people it was seen as a "reward" for the previous lockdown, they were told the pubs and restaurants were open, and they were told we were going back into lockdown in January. So naturally people are going to try and make the most of it.

    Most normal people don't watch the HSE press conferences, and are no longer listening to when the Taoiseach makes grand pronouncements from a podium. They're picking up snippets of news and are feeling their way through this using their "common sense".

    It's a failure of psychology or common sense.

    You're posts are contradicting themselves.

    On the one hand you're saying that the messaging is from the Government is all over the place, and the Government are to blame for this.

    Then on the other hand you're saying that people don't listen to the Government anyway, and are instead guided only by their common sense.

    Messaging was crystal clear to anyone with
    with half a brain; this Christmas was going to be very different.


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  • #5011
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,780 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    UrbanFret wrote: »
    Nope . Refusal by a decent percentage of the population to follow the advice will cost some lives.

    The whole country should realise we're in trouble here, Do you think they will all follow the advice?
    I can guarantee the same people whio haven't all along will continue not to.
    Last nights shenanigans suggest I'm right.

    This..

    People who have their brains tuned to being part of the solution will continue to make sacrifices and be community and health minded and selfless. They care they give a ****.

    Those who are not of these qualities just turn and look to their own wants, be it for entertainment, social contacts and this thing goes crazy, goes killing and infecting. More to the point.. ‘they do’.


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