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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4952
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Will you stop. I mean do you ever get tired of fighting with your fingernails. The one thing I have noted is the far more measured posting on this thread now that the vast majority of the loonies shouting about civil liberties and the restriction hoax being pulled on us all have left.

    NPHET and Tony have been shown to have been pretty on the money the whole way through this with their very cautious approach. The amazement and horror at the people with the stats, data, experience, and skillsets in this area actually know what they are talking about must be shocking to many here claiming all sorts of disgusting things about them on this thread.

    We are now though at a point where all the recriminations and arguments about the past get us nowhere.

    Will you please read before you post in future, the poster said at the end of the last lockdown we should have increased restrictions. Nphet did not recommend this, just have a read first before you post, it's constant from you.


  • #4953
    ToddDameron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭ToddDameron


    Arghus wrote: »
    The purposes of lockdown isn't to get the number of cases down to zero and for everything to be alright again, it's to stop the disease from getting out of control and overwhelming the health system. That was the point of the first one, the second one and this third one and, who knows, there may have to be a fourth one?

    Why do you consistently always present this strawman that lockdowns don't work because they don't eliminate the virus?

    That's not what they are for. They are to protect the population and the health system against a surge in the disease

    The comments on the Journal are the same. Have people really not figured out the purpose of a lockdown at this late stage? They are either thick or being deliberately dishonest.


  • #4954
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Yes you are right. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/ireland-plays-central-role-in-covid-vaccine-delivery-1.4413011

    Do they tedt it and send it back to Belgium for packaging and shipping?


  • #4955
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Will you please read before you post in future, the poster said at the end of the last lockdown we should have increased restrictions. Nphet did not recommend this, just have a read first before you post, it's constant from you.

    What is constant is you claiming people don't understand your context. NPHET did make certain recommendations that were ignored. Either way, it is silly at this stage to even talk about it as another poster noted our Government got railed roaded into listening to the idiots with the loudest mouths.


  • #4956
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    ToddDameron wrote: »
    The comments on the Journal are the same. Have people really not figured out the purpose of a lockdown at this late stage? They are either thick or being deliberately dishonest.

    This whole experience is such an example of poor science communication.
    I'm sure many PhD theses will be written about it.


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  • #4957
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    But it come here for quality check before getting shipped all over the world.?

    They do QC testing in grange castle facility so sample would get shipped there from Belgium


  • #4958
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    ToddDameron wrote: »
    The comments on the Journal are the same. Have people really not figured out the purpose of a lockdown at this late stage? They are either thick or being deliberately dishonest.

    Bit mad that 10 months in some people don't get this. Not sure some people realise how serious this is at the moment with impact on health service. Think it's worst it's been since March if not ever now.


  • #4959
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    What is constant is you claiming people don't understand your context. NPHET did make certain recommendations that were ignored. Either way, it is silly at this stage to even talk about it as another poster noted our Government got railed roaded into listening to the idiots with the loudest mouths.

    You mean the few hundred thousand people who might have wanted a job over Christmas and businesses who would never have opened again without Christmas. What a shower of idiots for wanting to provide for their families.


  • #4960
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Bit mad that 10 months in some people don't get this. Not sure some people realise how serious this is at the moment with impact on health service. Think it's worst it's been since March if not ever now.

    The next two weeks are critical.


  • #4961
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    The next two weeks are critical.

    As original a comment as it is funny, fair play for that contribution.


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  • #4962
    the kelt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,893 ✭✭✭the kelt


    Wasn’t the purpose of lockdown twofold as we have been told?

    One to stop the hospitals getting over run and secondly to buy time for the proper procedures, infrastructure etc to be out in place to deal with the pandemic?

    People seem to just keep referencing the first part constantly.


  • #4963
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    JeffKenna wrote: »
    The next two weeks are critical.

    Thought they were crucial?


  • #4964
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Thought they were crucial?

    Have to spice it up a bit or no one would listen.


  • #4965
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,902 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I think it was Paul Reid. Not exactly a specific or fixed definition for what rampant means in terms of virus. Why would you oppose it being used out of curiosity?

    Number of referrals for testing maybe?

    Our local gp said people they referred were not turning up for their arranged test!


  • #4966
    Happy4all
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭Happy4all


    was there a county break down of today's figures?


  • #4967
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    the kelt wrote: »
    Wasn’t the purpose of lockdown twofold as we have been told?

    One to stop the hospitals getting over run and secondly to buy time for the proper procedures, infrastructure etc to be out in place to deal with the pandemic?

    People seem to just keep referencing the first part constantly.

    Yes, to keep numbers low enough for testing and tracing to work, which if successful would avoid the need for constant lockdown.
    Which we have now failed at. Again.


  • #4968
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    the kelt wrote: »
    Wasn’t the purpose of lockdown twofold as we have been told?

    One to stop the hospitals getting over run and secondly to buy time for the proper procedures, infrastructure etc to be out in place to deal with the pandemic?

    People seem to just keep referencing the first part constantly.

    I made that point the other night, our icu capacity is still one of the worst in Europe.


  • #4969
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    niallo27 wrote: »
    You mean the few hundred thousand people who might have wanted a job over Christmas and businesses who would never have opened again without Christmas. What a shower of idiots for wanting to provide for their families.

    Those same businesses and people are now as a result facing maybe months of heavy restrictions along with causing damage to other areas.


  • #4970
    ToddDameron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 381 ✭✭ToddDameron


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Bit mad that 10 months in some people don't get this. Not sure some people realise how serious this is at the moment with impact on health service. Think it's worst it's been since March if not ever now.

    Yeah I think it's worse than March. We have a lot more knowledge about it but also the general apathy being displayed by people at this stage is showing in the numbers. I think talk of the vaccine has caused people to drop their guard somewhat too. It's very alarming how quickly things are spiraling at the moment.


  • #4971
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,398 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Happy4all wrote: »
    was there a county break down of today's figures?

    https://twitter.com/CorkSafetyAlert/status/1345078943246934018


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  • #4972
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Eod100 wrote: »
    This seems fairly worrying because if more UK cases get imported then it could add to very high existing case numbers already;

    https://twitter.com/CillianDeGascun/status/1345139326863224838

    In other words, the surge in Ireland was caused by 3 weeks of lawless socialising before the whole country mixed households for Christmas dinner. It was the Government relaxing restrictions too much, not the UK variant.

    This new variant is quite the scapegoat for Governments on the British Isles. Such a coincidence that it’s responsible for mass transmission just after a surge coinciding with ignored public advice.


  • #4973
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    octsol wrote: »
    Is there any HSE Covid-19 daily operations update on hospital numbers tonight?
    Not yet.


  • #4974
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    chicorytip wrote: »
    Why are NPHET using the word "rampant" when there is no basis for doing so?

    If some testing centers are reporting 50 percent positivity rates, I would absolutely say that is ‘rampant’.

    Suppose you have evidence to back up your claim that there is no basis?


  • #4975
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    marno21 wrote: »
    In other words, the surge in Ireland was caused by 3 weeks of lawless socialising before the whole country mixed households for Christmas dinner. It was the Government relaxing restrictions too much, not the UK
    .

    Plenty of people did not mix households at all this Christmas to be fair


  • #4976
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,635 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    marno21 wrote: »
    In other words, the surge in Ireland was caused by 3 weeks of lawless socialising before the whole country mixed households for Christmas dinner. It was the Government relaxing restrictions too much, not the UK variant.

    This new variant is quite the scapegoat for Governments on the British Isles. Such a coincidence that it’s responsible for mass transmission just after a surge coinciding with ignored public advice.

    Believe it or not I actually think all the socialising was partly caused by a belief that a lockdown in January was inevitable. Almost like last orders at a bar.


  • #4977
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    the kelt wrote: »
    Wasn’t the purpose of lockdown twofold as we have been told?

    One to stop the hospitals getting over run and secondly to buy time for the proper procedures, infrastructure etc to be out in place to deal with the pandemic?

    People seem to just keep referencing the first part constantly.

    If you're saying government should have invested in public health departments and contact tracing then I don't think many will disagree. As it is public health doctors are set to strike in less than 2 weeks.


  • #4978
    memorystick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭memorystick


    Will the schools reopen for January? I’m a teacher and am really anxious. Overweight and asthma with high blood pressure.


  • #4979
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    Genuinely how much do people think can be done in 8 month?
    It's a cop-out to excuse people's behaviours. Easy to blame the HSE when the virus is running rampant.

    Even if we doubled our ICU capacity and magiced up the staff, it would only buy us an extra week in the current scenario where cases are doubling every week.


  • #4980
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    Happy4all wrote: »
    was there a county break down of today's figures?

    I'd not pay any attention to the daily numbers for at least two weeks, they are completely unrepresentative of what's happening such is the backlog of testing. Just assume the worst places are still the worst.


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  • #4981
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Is anyone else having an issue with this site? Keeping reloading and losing pages


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