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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4592
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Stheno wrote: »
    I don't mean to sound like a negative newly but any significant decrease is likely to be skewed by non testing of asymptomatic close contacts

    But prior to the breakdown in testing/tracing, wasn't it always the case that only people with symptoms where ringing their GP and going forward for testing? That I believe is still the case.
    Close contacts testing was arranged via contract tracers and not through GP's?


  • #4593
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Again we have absolutely no idea what the true case numbers were in March, quite likely it could have been well above what we have now. Like I said you couldn't get a test without jumping through multiple hoops.

    It was very strict to get a test.

    Nobody is underestimating but its a very simple point that nobody actually knows how many cases there were per day here in March

    That is true but their are other metrics which indicate this is much worse. Growth rate positivity rate and number of hospital admissions per day. They all look far worse atm.


  • #4594
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Im not advising anything. Bizarre comment. This is only the start of the current wave. It will get far worse

    It’s not a bizarre comment at all. If you share your comments with your Mum that you share here, no one will have to force her to stay at home she will be too terrified to leave the house.


  • #4595
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Stheno wrote: »
    This might sound awful but the sooner the backlog is integrated into case numbers the better


    A few days of monster numbers may frighten people into compliance

    Very true, people see steady reported case numbers may think we've stabilised.

    Also worth noting quite a few of those backlog cases would have already presented to hospital, so it's similar to March where cases lagged hospitalisations due to lack of testing.

    But the **** has certainly hit the fan and we can't even see the mess to be cleaned up just yet.


  • #4596
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Just did in the extra backlog each day for the next week. 500, 750, 1000 each day etc. Keep numbers Hugh and people might cop on


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  • #4597
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Again we have absolutely no idea what the true case numbers were in March, quite likely it could have been well above what we have now. Like I said you couldn't get a test without jumping through multiple hoops.

    It was very strict to get a test.

    Nobody is underestimating but its a very simple point that nobody actually knows how many cases there were per day here in March

    Tbh I think comparisons to March is a total red herring. We need to focus on the here and now. Community transmission is very high and this time round we seem to be seeing the follow through on hospital admissions with presumably icu to follow. The next two weeks are critical spiel has become a bit of a joke but there is a sense from the multitude of statements from across the board that we are in a precarious position.


  • #4598
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It’s not a bizarre comment at all. If you share your comments with your Mum that you share here, no one will have to force her to stay at home she will be too terrified to leave the house.

    Thats is bizarre tbh. Im not sure what you are on about. I commented on what may happen with restrictions not my own beliefs


  • #4599
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,648 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    They need to announce a large number today to wake people up.

    If they had done it yesterday some of the NYE gathering eejitry may have been given the kybosh.

    Talking on the news about being concerned at 40 cases a day in August made people immune to the numbers. People do need to be concerned now and avoid all social contact where possible.

    I know 3 of the people who tested positive yesterday and all 3 are in different counties. It’s absolutely everywhere and people need to realise this so we can start getting the numbers under control. TH wanted to lockdown in January at 400 cases, look where we are now


  • #4600
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Sick of this crap.


  • #4601
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Why are the constantly leaving out the backlog? Are they ever going to report it? What's the point releasing figures if they aren't accurate.


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  • #4602
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Stheno wrote: »
    This might sound awful but the sooner the backlog is integrated into case numbers the better


    A few days of monster numbers may frighten people into compliance

    Not picking a row, but the people that can be frightened were frightened a long time ago others just acted according to the health advice and recommendations. The numbers now are driven by people who just don’t care or just had enough and don’t see it as a danger to them. Our friends in a certain town in the south west are a prime example.


  • #4603
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Why are the constantly leaving out the backlog? Are they ever going to report it? What's the point releasing figures if they aren't accurate.

    All that is going to happen is that they will keep announcing numbers in the 1600 region, then one day they will add on 10k and everyone will think, ah sure thats just an anomaly and go about their business


  • #4604
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Cody montana wrote: »
    Sick of this crap.

    You and me both. Particularly on how a "legacy" system used by the HSE, accustomed to not moving with the times cannot cope with greater than 2000 cases daily. And then treating the general public like children by not releasing the true figures. Greatest load of codswallop.


  • #4605
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    marno21 wrote: »
    They need to announce a large number today to wake people up.

    If they had done it yesterday some of the NYE gathering eejitry may have been given the kybosh.

    Talking on the news about being concerned at 40 cases a day in August made people immune to the numbers. People do need to be concerned now and avoid all social contact where possible.

    I know 3 of the people who tested positive yesterday and all 3 are in different counties. It’s absolutely everywhere and people need to realise this so we can start getting the numbers under control. TH wanted to lockdown in January at 400 cases, look where we are now

    Theres a section of society, would guess somewhere between 15-20% who do not listen view or read any news media they have no interest in anything outside their own personal lives,


  • #4606
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Why are the constantly leaving out the backlog? Are they ever going to report it? What's the point releasing figures if they aren't accurate.

    Put it down to a limited IT system and probably people who would rectify it not back from holidays


  • #4607
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    All that is going to happen is that they will keep announcing numbers in the 1600 region, then one day they will add on 10k and everyone will think, ah sure thats just an anomaly and go about their business

    They must think we are all idiots.


  • #4608
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Antares35 wrote: »
    They must think we are all idiots.

    Well most media reporting focuses on cases which is what informs most of the public


  • #4609
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Thats is bizarre tbh. Im not sure what you are on about. I commented on what may happen with restrictions not my own beliefs

    Ok whatever you think. But a Guard won’t be posted at your Mums front door telling her to stay put.


  • #4610
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    Antares35 wrote: »
    They must think we are all idiots.

    Lots and lots of people only read the headline numbers


  • #4611
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Again we have absolutely no idea what the true case numbers were in March, quite likely it could have been well above what we have now. Like I said you couldn't get a test without jumping through multiple hoops.

    It was very strict to get a test.

    Nobody is underestimating but its a very simple point that nobody actually knows how many cases there were per day here in March

    I believe you can use March's death stats to get a pretty accurate idea of our actual cases back then. Haven't tried it, but would be interesting to do.

    If we were managing to get our true case numbers out, then we'd be amongst the very worst countries in the world on a per capita basis.
    I don't think we were amongst the worst in the world back then.


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  • #4612
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Stheno wrote: »
    Well most media reporting focuses on cases which is what informs most of the public

    Case numbers that don't include a massive building backlog? Sure that's meaningless.


  • #4613
    Crocodile Booze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ok whatever you think. But a Guard won’t be posted at your Mums front door telling her to stay put.

    Any intelligent older person I know doesn't need a Guard to tell them to stay put.


  • #4614
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    What would have happened if we didn't have a vaccine?

    The HSE haven't invested enough in test and trace at all. If it weren't for the vaccine, that would have been even more crucial


  • #4615
    The HorsesMouth
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    I'm really interested to see what the backlog actually is here. If we keep on under 2k cases for the next few days and then the restrictions kick in on cases next week well then I don't think the doom prediction will happen. And by doom prediction I mean hospitals being overwhelmed.
    ICU stands at 50 now..it was at 180 if I'm not mistaken back in April..If that's the case I'm guessing there was at least 4k cases a day back then, maybe more and we weren't overwhelmed.
    And before anyone jumps down my throat I realise the situation is very serious but as it stands my guess is hosptials and ICU beds will just about be OK. Hope I'm not eating my words.

    Now if the backlog is 6000+...all bets are off.


  • #4616
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Case numbers that don't include a massive building backlog? Sure that's meaningless.

    I think a lot of the media only copped the swabs/cases anomaly recently going by their twitter


  • #4617
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I believe you can use March's death stats to get a pretty accurate idea of our actual cases back then. Haven't tried it, but would be interesting to do.

    If we were managing to get our true case numbers out, then we'd be amongst the very worst countries in the world on a per capita basis.
    I don't think we were amongst the worst in the world back then.


    What's the basis for thinking that? As in we'd be reporting the true cases but nobody else would be?


  • #4618
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    Antares35 wrote: »
    They must think we are all idiots.

    “Hold firm” just wait for 10 years for some other expert to tell us what was done wrong now and what we can all see for ourselves. Namely that living with covid is absurd. Covid is incompatible with life.


  • #4619
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Strumms wrote: »
    I was in a lift in a shopping center shortly before xmas and had pressed the button to head to the carpark... the doors started to close but some fùckwit with her trolly running towards me.. " sorry sorry can you "... no i cant... especially with your mask down around your neck you dope....

    No offence but if your that scared why are you even in the shopping center?

    Seriously why are you there? Go home

    Do your shopping online ffs

    Your situation reminds me of that story of the 17 year old girl in the US, she died because the pussies around her wouldn't give her CPR without PPE over Covid

    It's not bloody Ebola


  • #4620
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭prunudo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You and me both. Particularly on how a "legacy" system used by the HSE, accustomed to not moving with the times cannot cope with greater than 2000 cases daily. And then treating the general public like children by not releasing the true figures. Greatest load of codswallop.

    And thats where we need to be careful, because ultimately it is people that spread covid, but in no way should that mask the fact that the HSE's IT system isn't fit for purpose. That needs to be reported and not allowed slip through without either heads rolling or people being questioned on its failing.


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  • #4621
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,188 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    If only there was statistics telling us that circa 50% of Covid related deaths were from people in nursing homes and if only you had vaccines sitting in a fridge until Monday rather than being used in these nursing homes now, if only.


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