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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4562
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Stheno wrote: »
    I can see schools staying shut, all non essential business online only with no click and collect, construction shut, and strong advice to work from home

    Possibly down to two km from five

    All for at least two weeks

    I'd say more likely that what you say will happen and be until 31st January as per previous Level 5 review.

    I'm a bit stunned about the swab numbers today in all honesty

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #4563
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    No way will you be able to get a hospital bed, they will be overran this time

    Please don't say this. I don't want to see what happened in Italy or Spain here.


  • #4564
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    wadacrack wrote: »
    I think it will be advised .This is far worse than last March

    To be fair we've no idea how bad march actually was. There was quite possibly this many cases or more.

    You couldn't get a test for weeks unless you'd been in Italy and even at that you needed multiple symptoms.


  • #4565
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Would you give up your hospital bed so long as you can do anything you want?

    I didn’t say do anything you want. I don’t have a hospital bed at the best of times.


  • #4566
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Advice is just that, no one will force your Mum to stay confined to her home. That will be entirely be her own decision, one I suggest you don’t try to influence. The benefit of exercise and fresh air cannot be over stated.
    It’s not actually worse than last March, we know far more than we did last March .

    Im not advising anything. Bizarre comment. This is only the start of the current wave. It will get far worse


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  • #4567
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Please don't say this. I don't want to see what happened in Italy or Spain here.

    I hope they are cancelling all elective procedures in the private hospitals, they are going to be needed


  • #4568
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    To be fair we've no idea how bad march actually was. There was quite possibly this many cases or more.

    You couldn't get a test for weeks unless you'd been in Italy and even at that you needed multiple symptoms.

    Yeah exactly, it took nearly a month to get the testing and trace system up and running to a level where they could widen the criteria. Definitely agree there were way more cases than we reported back then due to that

    We had what... 800 odd people in hospital at the peak?

    The signs are scary that we're going back to that mind.

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • #4569
    Crocodile Booze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    messin doorman wrote: »
    With respect to the earlier poster above, in my experience the only people who criticsise us for wanting our freedom back are people who are civil servants or on the dole and are immune to the damage of the policies being promulgated

    You can want all the freedoms back you want, but this is an extraordinary situation.


  • #4570
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    It's fairly clear given the swab numbers today that people haven't exactly been great at judging risk over the past few weeks. I'd prefer it as well if people were able to do so but it's becoming increasingly clear that a significant amount of people aren't capable.

    The swab figures don’t evidence your argument/point. Swab figures simply show more people have the virus. Says nothing about the risk. What if swab figures represent 5per cent of people who took the risk?


  • #4571
    Solar2021
    Closed Accounts Posts: 128 ✭✭Solar2021


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    It's fairly clear given the swab numbers today that people haven't exactly been great at judging risk over the past few weeks. I'd prefer it as well if people were able to do so but it's becoming increasingly clear that a significant amount of people aren't capable.

    People should know when they’re conquered.


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  • #4572
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    prunudo wrote: »
    We didn't have a curfew last March, why would we have one now. Some people are just on here to stir or scaremonger.

    They are just totally ineffective anyway. Household visiting is already banned and nothings open! A curfew isn't going to be actually be actively enforced here so the people not interested in following the visiting ban will continue to do so a bit more discreetly, is all. What more can be done. A curfew will just end up creating resentment and resistance to rules as people as those unhappy with restricitons will feel even more imprisoned and controlled.


  • #4573
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    messin doorman wrote: »
    I didn’t say do anything you want. I don’t have a hospital bed at the best of times.

    You said people should be able to assess their own risk. Thing is, you can't when it affects others. Look at that Wexford funeral a few weeks ago. Did they assess their own risk? Look how that turned out.


  • #4574
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,625 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Necro wrote: »
    Yeah exactly, it took nearly a month to get the testing and trace system up and running to a level where they could widen the criteria. Definitely agree there were way more cases than we reported back then due to that

    We had what... 800 odd people in hospital at the peak?

    The signs are scary that we're going back to that mind.


    And 160 in ICU.


  • #4575
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Necro wrote: »
    I'd say more likely that what you say will happen and be until 31st January as per previous Level 5 review.

    I'm a bit stunned about the swab numbers today in all honesty

    I agree on Jan 31 but I don't think they will come out and say schools shut till then tbh

    Am also stunned at those numbers, I'm hoping we are close to hitting a peak and that the vast vast majority of cases are under 45


  • #4576
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    I'm going to strike a slightly positive note and say
    that if you look at gp community tracker, the numbers of referrals over the last 3 days have been more stable (albeit at very high levels). Things are bad but I think we may be at the peak and will see falls over the next week.


  • #4577
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    You said people should be able to assess their own risk. Thing is, you can't when it affects others. Look at that Wexford funeral a few weeks ago. Did they assess their own risk? Look how that turned out.

    Would you rather the government assess risk for us?


  • #4578
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    prunudo wrote: »
    We didn't have a curfew last March, why would we have one now. Some people are just on here to stir or scaremonger.

    I'm not sure where I lie on the "scaremonger" scale but everything is pointing to this being worse than March particularly in terms of hospitalisations. We will surpass the previous hospitalisation peak around mid January. ICU peak by late January. Deaths may be lower due to improved treatment protocols and hopefully better protection of nursing homes.

    At this point all of this is already baked in. We have had about 10,000 positive swabs in the last two days. You can fully expect there are probably at least the same amount of cases that have been not been tested. At a conservative estimate 2 per cent of confirmed cases will need hospital. At current numbers that will be 100 people a day in 5-7 days time. It is actually likely this will be much higher than that.


  • #4579
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    To be fair we've no idea how bad march actually was. There was quite possibly this many cases or more.

    You couldn't get a test for weeks unless you'd been in Italy and even at that you needed multiple symptoms.

    We now have a higher positivity rate than in March in spite of greater testing capacity. Its only the beginning of this wave. Not the time to underestimate how bad of a position we are in.


  • #4580
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    I'm going to strike a slightly positive note and say
    that if you look at gp community tracker, the numbers of referrals over the last 3 days have been more stable (albeit at very high levels). Things are bad but I think we may be at the peak and will see falls over the next week.

    I don't mean to sound like a negative newly but any significant decrease is likely to be skewed by non testing of asymptomatic close contacts


  • #4581
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Stheno wrote: »
    I don't mean to sound like a negative newly but any significant decrease is likely to be skewed by non testing of asymptomatic close contacts

    I think testing of close contacts will have to return before level 5 ends.


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  • #4582
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Is that a fact from evidence you can back up or just your opinion?

    It'll be late Summer/early Autumn before vaccination level will have any impact, that's 7months away, say this lockdown runs to mid February there would likely be a slight lift and then down for St Patrick's day until May


  • #4583
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    I think casing of close contacts will have to return before level 5 ends.

    Agreed


  • #4584
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm not sure where I lie on the "scaremonger" scale but everything is pointing to this being worse than March particularly in terms of hospitalisations. We will surpass the previous hospitalisation peak around mid January. ICU peak by late January. Deaths may be lower due to improved treatment protocols and hopefully better protection of nursing homes.

    At this point all of this is already baked in. We have had about 10,000 positive swabs in the last two days. You can fully expect there are probably at least the same amount of cases that have been not been tested. At a conservative estimate 2 per cent of confirmed cases will need hospital. At current numbers that will be 100 people a day in 5-7 days time. It is actually likely this will be much higher than that.

    Well the HSE should be very well resourced. I see the money we spend each year and the management team it’s had for many years. Let them deal with it as they may. Let the chips fall where they fall. But don’t crucify me and everyone else. If there’s carnage (as I accept there probably will be), then fire a few people and have a tribunal of inquiry and let us live again.


  • #4585
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    I've no idea how the cases will go today, but either way it'll be a shock I'd say... ~1,500 again which seems to be the HSPC bottleneck will be a worry due to backlog, or clear the backlog and report ~8,000. Jaysus. Think the dry January will end this evening for me.


  • #4586
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    wadacrack wrote: »
    We now have a higher positivity rate than in March in spite of greater testing capacity. Its only the beginning of this wave. Not the time to underestimate how bad of a position we are in.

    Again we have absolutely no idea what the true case numbers were in March, quite likely it could have been well above what we have now. Like I said you couldn't get a test without jumping through multiple hoops.

    It was very strict to get a test.

    Nobody is underestimating but its a very simple point that nobody actually knows how many cases there were per day here in March


  • #4587
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Simon Coveney says Ireland plans to end a ban on travel to the country from Britain on 6 January and replace it with stricter testing measures as it seeks to stop the spread of the new variant of the virus.

    Passengers flying on non-essential business from Britain after 6 January will need to produce a negative test taken three days before their flight, and will be asked to restrict their movements for at least 5 days from arrival and can only move freely if they produce negative test subsequently.


  • #4588
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I've no idea how the cases will go today, but either way it'll be a shock I'd say... ~1,500 again which seems to be the HSPC bottleneck will be a worry due to backlog, or clear the backlog and report ~8,000. Jaysus. Think the dry January will end this evening for me.

    Actually, the backlog + today = 10.9k cases

    https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1345049644812922880?s=20


  • #4589
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    This might sound awful but the sooner the backlog is integrated into case numbers the better


    A few days of monster numbers may frighten people into compliance


  • #4590
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,784 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    It's fairly clear given the swab numbers today that people haven't exactly been great at judging risk over the past few weeks. I'd prefer it as well if people were able to do so but it's becoming increasingly clear that a significant amount of people aren't capable.

    Arnt capable... or are not arsed anymore.

    The easiest way to avoid getting covid... keep away from people outside of your house / appartment...

    Im shopping at quiet times... i go into any shop knowing what i want and where i get it..i dont 'browse'... im doing browsing online.

    Im staying distant in Q's and when actually shopping...respecting other peoples space and health.. being careful with mine

    I was in a lift in a shopping center shortly before xmas and had pressed the button to head to the carpark... the doors started to close but some fùckwit with her trolly running towards me.. " sorry sorry can you "... no i cant... especially with your mask down around your neck you dope....


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  • #4591
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    brookers wrote: »
    Alcohol plays a huge part in all of this, Irish people cant control themselves with drink, apart from covid it is one of the biggest problems we have. When people have loads of drinks, they shout, spit, start hugging each other and generally cant control themselves. Have you ever been in tesco the night of the late late toy show, the amount of slabs being carried out so that the mammies and daddies can drink themselves silly, of course anybody who says this is called a granny, kill joy and sure must be fierce boing altogether.

    What are you on about with Irish people, it's the same all over the world.


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