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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4502
    pm1977x
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭pm1977x


    messin doorman wrote: »
    Let the HSE mandarins actually do a bit of work now.

    Either vaccinate very quickly or deal with the icu surge. Public and the economy have done their bit and are doing so again. So let them get themselves out of this. What a sham.


    "public have done their bit" clearly not, some have, many haven't.


  • #4503
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    We ma not be allowed leave the house in a few weeks at this rate. No chance schools open , the anxiety for staff and kids would be alot to deal with


  • #4504
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Have the private hospitals been taken back into public use, anyone know?


  • #4505
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,964 ✭✭✭eigrod


    I suspect a lot of factories and plants won’t be able to open next week given these numbers.


  • #4506
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    landofthetree wrote: »
    We have messed up by going in on the EU vaccine scheme.

    It will take forever to get enough vaccines.

    The extra cost we would have paid doing our own deal would have been a lot less that what we will have to pay for another lockdown.

    No way. We’d never have the negotiating or purchasing power that the EU or bigger countries have, we’d be trampled on. I’m not even sure if we have the proper approval infrastructure in this country anyway.


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  • #4507
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    GreeBo wrote: »
    ?
    I think we had 3 times the ICU admissions as discharges today.
    How many free ICU beds do we have? 20 or so?

    Also note that these numbers mean more ICUs get frozen into covid only, it's a pretty bad time to need an ICU bed for non covid reason, such as car crash, or heart attack
    Reserve icu capacity is needed too.

    Hospitals will only do a lot of non covid work if there's spare icu capacity in case of complications.

    So the non covid work is being cancelled.


  • #4508
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    Benimar wrote: »
    What were people doing for the last 4 weeks? Licking each other??!!

    Those numbers are insane. March 2020 type lockdown definitely on the agenda I’d imagine.

    Alcohol plays a huge part in all of this, Irish people cant control themselves with drink, apart from covid it is one of the biggest problems we have. When people have loads of drinks, they shout, spit, start hugging each other and generally cant control themselves. Have you ever been in tesco the night of the late late toy show, the amount of slabs being carried out so that the mammies and daddies can drink themselves silly, of course anybody who says this is called a granny, kill joy and sure must be fierce boing altogether.


  • #4509
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭prunudo


    We didn't have a curfew last March, why would we have one now. Some people are just on here to stir or scaremonger.


  • #4510
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Reserve icu capacity is needed too.

    Hospitals will only do a lot of non covid work if there's spare icu capacity in case of complications.

    So the non covid work is being cancelled.

    Very hard to cancel heart attacks and car crashes!


  • #4511
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    wadacrack wrote: »
    We ma not be allowed leave the house in a few weeks at this rate. No chance schools open , the anxiety for staff and kids would be alot to deal with

    Whose going to stop your ‘Ma’ from leaving the house? The advice last March was to cocoon but a bit of cop on entered the narrative when they realised how damaging that advice was .


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  • #4512
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    Total Mess up by Governemnt ...test and trace overran ....spent the last six months pandering to lobby people with half hearted measures.....
    NPHET asked them not to open Hospitality and Homes but they knew better..... I am not blaming any particular party because even the opposition were playing politics .


  • #4513
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    brookers wrote: »
    Alcohol plays a huge part in all of this, Irish people cant control themselves with drink, apart from covid it is one of the biggest problems we have. When people have loads of drinks, they shout, spit, start hugging each other and generally cant control themselves. Have you ever been in tesco the night of the late late toy show, the amount of slabs being carried out so that the mammies and daddies can drink themselves silly, of course anybody who says this is called a granny, kill joy and sure must be fierce boing altogether.

    Irish people can't control themselves with drink. Guess that's why cases are skyrocketing across Europe.

    Push your agenda somewhere else


  • #4514
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    gipi wrote: »
    When a swab is confirmed as positive for CV19, the information on the person is reported to HPSC via their IT system. Then it's checked to make sure that the person hasn't been counted before, and if it is a new person, is then reported as a case in the daily numbers.

    A person might be tested more than once (e.g. in hospital), and test positive more than once - hence 2 swabs, 1 case.

    The HPSC system hasn't been able to cope with the number of positive swabs being reported to them, so there are approx 4000 positive swabs that haven't been counted in the daily cases yet. This is the backlog that Philip Nolan spoke about, which has also been discussed here by those who watch the numbers closely.

    Hope that helps!

    Does this mean we’ll just stick around 1,600/1,700 cases per day while a backlog builds up ?


  • #4515
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Very hard to cancel heart attacks and car crashes!

    True. I meant the routine work.

    A lot of people really being put back a long time now.


  • #4516
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    prunudo wrote: »
    We didn't have a curfew last March, why would we have one now. Some people are just on here to stir or scaremonger.

    I can see schools staying shut, all non essential business online only with no click and collect, construction shut, and strong advice to work from home

    Possibly down to two km from five

    All for at least two weeks


  • #4517
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    prunudo wrote: »
    We didn't have a curfew last March, why would we have one now. Some people are just on here to stir or scaremonger.

    I just pass by silly comments about curfew and unenforceable €10,000 euro fines. I assume a poster demanding these is either delusional or on a wind up.


  • #4518
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    pm1977x wrote: »
    "public have done their bit" clearly not, some have, many haven't.

    I think that’s a load of rubbish. If you have adopted a stragetgy of dealing with covid that assumes unrealistic levels of compliance then that’s on the decision makers. Don’t follow a strategy that’s doomed to fail. It’s like building a house that can’t withstand a gust of wind, then blaming the wind. We’ve upended our lives since March. We had cases down so low during the summer. At that stage HSE should be contact tracing to ensure things don’t go bananas. But they made a balls of it. Blaming the public is just to get political coverage (ie if the public didn’t comply then it’s not the fault of the govt, NPHET etc). The Public have done their very best. You’ll never get 100per cent compliance and you shouldn’t expect it. HSE made a bags of it.


  • #4519
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    Is there any reason their IT system can't cope with 3000+ cases and have they plans to rectify it?


  • #4520
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,052 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Russman wrote: »
    Does this mean we’ll just stick around 1,600/1,700 cases per day while a backlog builds up ?

    That's what I'm worried about, as public will just assume its all stabilised if they're not seeing the actual numbers


  • #4521
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    brookers wrote: »
    Alcohol plays a huge part in all of this, Irish people cant control themselves with drink, apart from covid it is one of the biggest problems we have. When people have loads of drinks, they shout, spit, start hugging each other and generally cant control themselves. Have you ever been in tesco the night of the late late toy show, the amount of slabs being carried out so that the mammies and daddies can drink themselves silly, of course anybody who says this is called a granny, kill joy and sure must be fierce boing altogether.

    So how do you explain the number skyrocketing elsewhere? The Germans fond of a tipple too? Brits must have been drinking themselves silly.


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  • #4522
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭jams100


    quartz1 wrote: »
    Total Mess up by Governemnt ...test and trace overran ....spent the last six months pandering to lobby people with half hearted measures.....
    NPHET asked them not to open Hospitality and Homes but the knew better..... I am not blaming any particular party because even the opposition were playing politics .

    Look as much as I love to blame the government, people are at fault too, what the f**k do you expect if you have 10+ people over to your house for just one day? I'm sure some households had 15-20 too, thats the main problem the new varient is further exacerbating this


  • #4523
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    ixoy wrote: »
    Is there any reason their IT system can't cope with 3000+ cases and have they plans to rectify it?

    I doubt it's the IT system.


  • #4524
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    messin doorman wrote: »
    Let the HSE mandarins actually do a bit of work now.

    Either vaccinate very quickly or deal with the icu surge. Public and the economy have done their bit and are doing so again. So let them get themselves out of this. What a sham.

    A lot of people have absolutely not done their bit. They decided the hell with it all I'm going to enjoy Xmas "I deserve it" and other such sh1t.

    Unfortunately these selfish types have fcuked us all and especially those of us who thought of the collective and did the right thing at Xmas and hunkered down.


  • #4525
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Stheno wrote: »
    I can see schools staying shut, all non essential business online only with no click and collect, construction shut, and strong advice to work from home

    Possibly down to two km from five

    All for at least two weeks
    I'd be shocked if we ever see anything for just two weeks, due to the lag in how long it takes for restrictions to affect figures.The government absolutely doesn't have it in them to remove restrictions only days after it trends downwards. Similarly we're likely to see additional restrictions added long before they have any idea whether the current ones have done anything. All of this makes it very very muddled as to what causes/caused numbers to reduce


  • #4526
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Russman wrote: »
    No way. We’d never have the negotiating or purchasing power that the EU or bigger countries have, we’d be trampled on. I’m not even sure if we have the proper approval infrastructure in this country anyway.

    Even if we paid 200 euros per vaccine(100 euros for eqch shot) that less than a billion.

    We are foing to spent billions on future lockdowns.

    We arent even going to get enough vaccines till next Nov.


  • #4527
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    How many cases until they entertain the idea of some sort of border control and mandatory quarantine? They are burying their heads in the sand big time here. Its time for covid 0 or as close to it as possible as nothing else will work.

    I'm pretty astounded that no lessons have been learned from any eu country during this. Just reactive measures again and again. No proactive strategy, just lockdown and wait for a vaccine.


  • #4528
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    titan18 wrote: »
    That's what I'm worried about, as public will just assume its all stabilised if they're not seeing the actual numbers

    On a similar note I'm worried about a fall in cases due to close contacts not being tested (eventually) rather than a genuine fall.


  • #4529
    Pcgamer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 139 ✭✭Pcgamer


    ixoy wrote: »
    Is there any reason their IT system can't cope with 3000+ cases and have they plans to rectify it?

    Public sector is mad, they never upgrade their IT systems until the very last minute because the workers can get away with it with indept managers.

    They pay high salaries to people who do absolutely feck all and then outsource when needed to at the last minute.


  • #4530
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,274 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    spookwoman wrote: »
    I doubt it's the IT system.

    Hopefully staff are back in Monday, might rectify it, it’s the only sense I can make of it.


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  • #4531
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    A lot of people have absolutely not done their bit. They decided the hell with it all I'm going to enjoy Xmas "I deserve it" and other such sh1t.

    Unfortunately these selfish types have fcuked us all and especially those of us who thought of the collective and did the right thing at Xmas and hunkered down.

    I think people should be allowed to do what they think is best for their family and lives and make their own assessment of risk. Sorry if you think that’s ****.


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