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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4472
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Whilst things are for sure set to deteriorate rapidly on this front.

    Our hospitals are still not showing a scary amount, let's hope by some miracle the more virulent virus is less deadly.
    On Friday morning at 8am there were 491 confirmed cases in hospitals in the Republic with 42 in intensive care units.


  • #4473
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Anyone a bit worried that we may not be able to get cases down with the new varient being more contagious?

    our goverment is so insistent on keeping schools open

    The government has (rightly) prioritised keeping schools open ahead of non essential retail, pubs and restaurants. Schools will not be open if virus numbers are high. I doubt at this stage that schools will be open until after February mid term. It will take that long to get numbers back to manageable levels.


  • #4474
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Wait, wtf, are you saying today's 5000 and whatever cases doesn't include the backlog of 4000????

    I think that’s the case alright.


  • #4475
    Stheno
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    MD1990 wrote: »
    Anyone a bit worried that we may not be able to get cases down with the new varient being more contagious?

    our goverment is so insistent on keeping schools open

    They won't open schools with that level of positive


  • #4476
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    ixoy wrote: »
    You believe 250,000 people have caught it? I actually do think that's a bit crazy.

    I'd say it is conceivable 20,000 a day for the last 14 days is possible, considering a large proportion are walking around asymptomatic or people have negligible symptoms and aren't getting tested.

    With a positive rate of 20%, it is quite scary.


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  • #4477
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Wait, wtf, are you saying today's 5000 and whatever cases doesn't include the backlog of 4000????

    Cases haven't come out today. Only swabs.

    The backlog is between swabs and cases.

    Cases will come out later.


  • #4478
    Sierra Oscar
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,669 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    I'd say it is conceivable 20,000 a day for the last 14 days is possible, considering a large proportion are walking around asymptomatic or people have negligible symptoms and aren't getting tested.

    Also throw the fact that close contacts aren't even been tested anymore into the mix.


  • #4479
    Crocodile Booze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 545 ✭✭✭Crocodile Booze


    Stheno wrote: »
    They won't open schools with that level of positive

    They won't reopen on the 11th anyway. People will need to make arrangements.


  • #4480
    Thespoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Thespoofer


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    That is insane. I can see why NPHET are looking for Level 5 ++.

    I think they'll do it too TBH.


  • #4481
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    spookwoman wrote: »
    Lab api data all over the place at the moment

    these are the positive numbers from the 19th
    19/12 1093
    20/12 2730
    21/12 2553
    22/12 2369
    23/12 7542
    24/12 9668
    25/12 7326
    26/12 -1942
    27/12 -9922
    28/12 -3399
    29/12 589
    30/12 -3176
    31/12 3393
    01/01 5450
    What do these figures mean, especially the minus ones?


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  • #4482
    Away With The Fairies
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    Stheno wrote: »
    It doesn't include the backlog
    The backlog is cases, not swabs

    5500 odd positive swabs???

    What the actual fcuk?


  • #4483
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Yes. That's not news. We also had 30, 40, 60 deaths per day for a while after that kind of infection rate.

    And it’s a reason to be somewhat positive. Not as many deaths or hospitalisations, I know we’ve seen a big jump in admissions and there’s a lag. We also have far better treatments and our mortality rate is one of the best in terms of people being released from icu


  • #4484
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Cases haven't come out today. Only swabs.

    The backlog is between swabs and cases.

    Cases will come out later.

    Anyone know why there’s a difference? Nolan seemed to be saying something about the system not being great. But I’m confused, if you’ve a positive swab you have a case, correct?


  • #4485
    Marty1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 170 ✭✭Marty1983


    God help anybody who has a non related covid illness in the next month or so. Very scary figures today.


  • #4486
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    The government has (rightly) prioritised keeping schools open ahead of non essential retail, pubs and restaurants. Schools will not be open if virus numbers are high. I doubt at this stage that schools will be open until after February mid term. It will take that long to get numbers back to manageable levels.

    I agree about the delay in opening schools, everytime the Government makes a definitive timed statement that they are going to stick to ..... the virus smiles.

    I am at the point of giving up taking them seriously at this stage, they actually think they are in control and yet they are always behind the obvious curve with every move this situation takes.

    They can only react, no pre-emptive planning.


  • #4487
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    What were people doing for the last 4 weeks? Licking each other??!!

    Those numbers are insane. March 2020 type lockdown definitely on the agenda I’d imagine.


  • #4488
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Crocodile Booze wrote: »
    They won't reopen on the 11th anyway. People will need to make arrangements.


    Schools are safe for children, This is known. :D


  • #4489
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    5500 odd positive swabs???

    What the actual fcuk?

    Does that mean 5,500 cases??


  • #4490
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    And it’s a reason to be somewhat positive. Not as many deaths or hospitalisations, I know we’ve seen a big jump in admissions and there’s a lag. We also have far better treatments and our mortality rate is one of the best in terms of people being released from icu

    Ultimately as awful as the case numbers are, they don't matter. If it's all young people that won't require hospitalisation, if it's older/vulnerable then we're in trouble.

    Next two weeks are crucial.


  • #4491
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    Benimar wrote: »
    What were people doing for the last 4 weeks? Licking each other??!!

    Those numbers are insane. March 2020 type lockdown definitely on the agenda I’d imagine.

    Considering the amount of babies born since the march lockdown, id say they are doing a lot more than lick ;)


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  • #4492
    landofthetree
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,462 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    We have messed up by going in on the EU vaccine scheme.

    It will take forever to get enough vaccines.

    The extra cost we would have paid doing our own deal would have been a lot less that what we will have to pay for another lockdown.


  • #4493
    quartz1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭quartz1


    5000.. can that be right ...o God


  • #4494
    Stheno
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    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    Does that mean 5,500 cases??

    Up to 10% may be repeat positives so perhaps 5000 cases


  • #4495
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    New varient only found in 10% of cases has it not?

    They haven't done an actual representative sample study yet. It was explained yesterday at the DOH conferenece. The 10% finding was undertaken on a fairly non statistical basis and can not be quoted as a national figure.


  • #4496
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    Stheno wrote: »
    What do these figures mean, especially the minus ones?

    Sorry wrong data posted. bloody dog next door barking wrecking my head.


  • #4497
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    I agree about the delay in opening schools, everytime the Government makes a definitive timed statement that they are going to stick to ..... the virus smiles.

    I am at the point of giving up taking them seriously at this stage, they actually think they are in control and yet they are always behind the obvious curve with every move this situation takes.

    They can only react, no pre-emptive planning    .

    That’s the big issue. When they were pro active back in March they got a bit hammered for it, but it largely worked.
    I don’t know whether it’s due to a coalition govt and many vested interests or just overall fatigue with the whole thing, but there seems to be a definite dithering this time round.


  • #4498
    messin doorman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭messin doorman


    Marty1983 wrote: »
    God help anybody who has a non related covid illness in the next month or so. Very scary figures today.

    Let the HSE mandarins actually do a bit of work now.

    Either vaccinate very quickly or deal with the icu surge. Public and the economy have done their bit and are doing so again. So let them get themselves out of this. What a sham.


  • #4499
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    messin doorman wrote: »
    Anyone know why there’s a difference? Nolan seemed to be saying something about the system not being great. But I’m confused, if you’ve a positive swab you have a case, correct?

    Sometimes people have multiple tests. For example if you are in hospital with a compatible illness you get tested every day even if you are waiting for results of a previous test.

    So swabs are positive. Then swabs are checked that they are unique. If you are a positive and you are barely positive they can call you in for a retest in case it's a false positive.

    The cases are after the checking process. Swabs are before.


  • #4500
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    Whilst things are for sure set to deteriorate rapidly on this front.

    Our hospitals are still not showing a scary amount, let's hope by some miracle the more virulent virus is less deadly.

    ?
    I think we had 3 times the ICU admissions as discharges today.
    How many free ICU beds do we have? 20 or so?

    Also note that these numbers mean more ICUs get frozen into covid only, it's a pretty bad time to need an ICU bed for non covid reason, such as car crash, or heart attack


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  • #4501
    gipi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭gipi


    messin doorman wrote: »
    Anyone know why there’s a difference? Nolan seemed to be saying something about the system not being great. But I’m confused, if you’ve a positive swab you have a case, correct?

    When a swab is confirmed as positive for CV19, the information on the person is reported to HPSC via their IT system. Then it's checked to make sure that the person hasn't been counted before, and if it is a new person, is then reported as a case in the daily numbers.

    A person might be tested more than once (e.g. in hospital), and test positive more than once - hence 2 swabs, 1 case.

    The HPSC system hasn't been able to cope with the number of positive swabs being reported to them, so there are approx 4000 positive swabs that haven't been counted in the daily cases yet. This is the backlog that Philip Nolan spoke about, which has also been discussed here by those who watch the numbers closely.

    Hope that helps!


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