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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4232
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    khalessi wrote: »
    Not in primary schools, and this new strain is more infectious in that age group along with previous reasons mentioned above.

    So keep secondary schools open and education for people with special needs.


  • #4233
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    If everyone is wearing masks, why can't schools stay open?

    Are you kidding?


  • #4234
    Treseemme.
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 124 ✭✭Treseemme.


    Young adults are just meeting up everywhere and bringing the virus back home

    Don't blame them at this stage , doubt many of them are following this thread


  • #4235
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    Closing down non essential retail etc., won't really make a pick of difference, not while this crap keeps happening...

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1344981812481839104?s=20


  • #4236
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Iv'e a feeling we won't be seeing schools open again until all teachers, SNA's, school bus drivers etc.. have been vaccinated.


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  • #4237
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    You sure it did? My observation is a bit different.[/
    Pretty sure , we don’t have a culture of riots at the drop of a hat which can be a familiar site with some of our European neighbours, France the obvious example. The majority of the population respect the role of AGS. They are able to function as largely an unnamed force due to this respect. I have seen the behaviour of police forces in several other European countries. Lessons could be learned from AGS.


  • #4238
    forumdedum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,593 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    That's my point as well. I thought masks were great?

    I read somewhere quite a while back that masks are still only 50% safe even when worn correctly.


  • #4239
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Iv'e a feeling we won't be seeing schools open again until all teachers, SNA's, school bus drivers etc.. have been vaccinated.

    No you don't, you are just looking for a reaction


  • #4240
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    xhomelezz wrote: »
    You sure it did? My observation is a bit different.[/
    Pretty sure , we don’t have a culture of riots at the drop of a hat which can be a familiar site with some of our European neighbours, France the obvious example. The majority of the population respect the role of AGS. They are able to function as largely an unnamed force due to this respect. I have seen the behaviour of police forces in several other European countries. Lessons could be learned from AGS.

    Of course, decent people follow the law and the rest gets kind of free card..but no riots, great achievement.


  • #4241
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Plumbthedepths wrote: »

    Of course, decent people follow the law and the rest gets kind of free card..but no riots, great achievement.

    They don’t get a free card, AGS do the job the are tasked it’s up to the courts to deal with what is presented to them. You can’t blame the Garda for soft judges.
    What exactly do you want, an armed police force that is viewed with suspicion by the population?


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  • #4242
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 865 ✭✭✭jams100


    fits wrote: »
    1% of our population is 50000 people. In reality many more would die as health service couldn’t treat anyone for anything really. Is that acceptable to you?

    Read on...
    I said the restrictions should be proportionate to the illness.
    We are where we are because many thought it would be a good idea to have 10 people over for Christmas. Which was just taking the piss.

    Anyway the numbers of close contacts were always going to drop naturally in January. My problem is that for example there is no difference between walking in a park or walking on a golf course with a set of clubs on your back...same applies to tennis.

    Then non essential retail, is there much evidence that non essential retail is contributing in any sort of significant way to the spread of the disease?

    I completely understand the household bans and closing restaurants and pubs as in these environments people are going to take their masks off.

    Closing a betting shop at the same time as Closing a golf or tennis club MAKES. NO. SENSE


  • #4243
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    jams100 wrote: »
    Read on...
    I said the restrictions should be proportionate to the illness.
    We are where we are because many thought it would be a good idea to have 10 people over for Christmas. Which was just taking the piss.

    Anyway the numbers of close contacts were always going to drop naturally in January. My problem is that for example there is no difference between walking in a park or walking on a golf course with a set of clubs on your back...same applies to tennis.

    Then non essential retail, is there much evidence that non essential retail is contributing in any sort of significant way to the spread of the disease?

    I completely understand the household bans and closing restaurants and pubs as in these environments people are going to take their masks off.

    Closing a betting shop at the same time as Closing a golf or tennis club MAKES. NO. SENSE

    How do you propose to gather the evidence regarding whether non essential retail contributing to the spread? How do you trace that? The answer is you can't, hence why there has to be some tough logic to the restrictions. We know it's airborne, we know it spreads indoors in enclosed spaces therefore it's likely that the virus will spread in retail locations.


  • #4244
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    jams100 wrote: »
    Read on...
    I said the restrictions should be proportionate to the illness.
    We are where we are because many thought it would be a good idea to have 10 people over for Christmas. Which was just taking the piss.

    Anyway the numbers of close contacts were always going to drop naturally in January. My problem is that for example there is no difference between walking in a park or walking on a golf course with a set of clubs in your back...same applies to tennis.

    Then non essential retail, is their much evidence that non essential retail is contributing in any sort of significant way to the spread of the disease?

    I completely understand the household bans and closing restaurants and pubs as in these environments people are going to take their masks off.

    Closing a betting shop at the same time as Closing a golf or tennis club MAKES. NO. SENSE

    In December we saw large spikes in public transport use at weekends, as people were using it to visit shopping centers etc.
    So there's that.

    But besides all that, the main message now is "stay at home".
    You'd like the message to be "stay at home or go shopping or play golf. Whatever"


  • #4245
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    fits wrote: »
    1% of our population is 50000 people. In reality many more would die as health service couldn’t treat anyone for anything really. Is that acceptable to you?

    Not only that, I was looking at the Moderna vaccine results. ~180 in the placebo arm caught the bug of which 30 had it severely. That's 1 in 6 getting hospitalised. **** that for a laugh, why do people even pretend that's acceptable?


  • #4246
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Probes wrote: »
    How do you propose to gather the evidence regarding whether non essential retail contributing to the spread? How do you trace that? The answer is you can't, hence why there has to be some tough logic to the restrictions. We know it's airborne, we know it spreads indoors in enclosed spaces therefore it's likely that the virus will spread in retail locations.

    Surely tracking how many retail workers who have contracted the virus would give an indication as to safe or unsafe retail is? Most of these workers spend several hours in an environment that a general member of the public is only in for a short period of time.


  • #4247
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Probes wrote: »
    How do you propose to gather the evidence regarding whether non essential retail contributing to the spread? How do you trace that? The answer is you can't, hence why there has to be some tough logic to the restrictions. We know it's airborne, we know it spreads indoors in enclosed spaces therefore it's likely that the virus will spread in retail locations.

    It dropped pretty dramatically in April when essential shops were packed and nobody was wearing masks.


  • #4248
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    jams100 wrote: »
    Read on...
    I said the restrictions should be proportionate to the illness.
    We are where we are because many thought it would be a good idea to have 10 people over for Christmas. Which was just taking the piss.

    Anyway the numbers of close contacts were always going to drop naturally in January. My problem is that for example there is no difference between walking in a park or walking on a golf course with a set of clubs on your back...same applies to tennis.

    Then non essential retail, is there much evidence that non essential retail is contributing in any sort of significant way to the spread of the disease?

    I completely understand the household bans and closing restaurants and pubs as in these environments people are going to take their masks off.

    Closing a betting shop at the same time as Closing a golf or tennis club MAKES. NO. SENSE

    With the numbers higher then they have ever been any mitigation strategy that reduces human interaction has to be considered. As numbers rise, the statistical chance of infection spreading increases in all environments proportionate to that environment as a risk factor.

    Wait 2 weeks before suggesting any mitigation decision now is over the top. Nobody knows how bad it’s gonna get , any decision or strategy made now is to mitigate how bad things will be in the future. I think thus is a a huge issue with understanding this virus, people continually struggling to make a connection with how things will look-in a few weeks , particularly with regards to the delay in hospitalisations.

    I don’t know how bad it’s going to get and I don’t know how much our health system can take. But I know our authority’s and government are absolutely sh*tting it and it’s not for no reason. This is a crisis, I feel like a lot of people can’t grasp this because its such a slow, long Drawn out crisis that’s hard to quantify as to most people it’s not a personal concern and they aren’t really affected by it other then the inconveniences it’s causing. Our authority’s don’t have all the answers and are doing their best to manage the crisis in the best way they can.


  • #4249
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,950 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    xhomelezz wrote: »

    They don’t get a free card, AGS do the job the are tasked it’s up to the courts to deal with what is presented to them. You can’t blame the Garda for soft judges.
    What exactly do you want, an armed police force that is viewed with suspicion by the population?

    Ok fine I get you. I understand it's not Garda's problem, that there are no real consequences if someone decides to join the other side of the law. Armed police force? Honestly I don't care if they carry the guns or not.., how about police force with respect? Giving feeling of confidence and protection etc., don't think we have it. Imo.

    One of things getting highlighted by the covid.


  • #4250
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    jams100 wrote: »
    Read on...
    I said the restrictions should be proportionate to the illness.
    We are where we are because many thought it would be a good idea to have 10 people over for Christmas. Which was just taking the piss.

    Anyway the numbers of close contacts were always going to drop naturally in January. My problem is that for example there is no difference between walking in a park or walking on a golf course with a set of clubs on your back...same applies to tennis.

    Then non essential retail, is there much evidence that non essential retail is contributing in any sort of significant way to the spread of the disease?

    I completely understand the household bans and closing restaurants and pubs as in these environments people are going to take their masks off.

    Closing a betting shop at the same time as Closing a golf or tennis club MAKES. NO. SENSE

    It's simple, no unnecessary journeys, I don't care what you do when you get there.


  • #4251
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Surely tracking how many retail workers who have contracted the virus would give an indication as to safe or unsafe retail is? Most of these workers spend several hours in an environment that a general member of the public is only in for a short period of time.

    But many are better protected than the public in these spaces and also because of the incubation period of 2 - 21 days you can't be sure where anyone has caught the thing unless you do an analysis of the virus history tree, which you can't do in a retail setting because so many people come and go. There has to be an element of logic to this, indoor spaces where people mix are going to be the places where the virus has the potential to spread.


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  • #4252
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Some test centres reporting up to 50% positivity: https://twitter.com/paulreiddublin/status/1344987447411830785?s=19


  • #4253
    bb1234567
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    jams100 wrote: »
    Well, is this not Simon Conveys suggestion, did he not say level 5 might not be enough?

    What tools. Level 3 would be enough if people stuck rigidly to it, well, at least before this new varient anyway.

    I just think its going past ridiculous now, what if the virus mutates again and the vaccine doesn't work? Do we go on like this for another 3 months, 6 months, a year, two years???

    Covid is a terrible illness for some but perspective is needed "only" what 1 or 2% of people who get covid will die from it.
    If that was 30 or 40% etc. then I could get on board with any sort of restrictions.

    My point is that the restrictions should be proportionate to the illness.
    What happens next year when we have 6 or 7 hundred people on trolleys? Do we start locking down again?
    COVID IFR is much smaller than 2%, and look how much damage it is doing. 2% of people worldwide died in Spanish flu. 2% died in WW2. These events changed the course of world history forever. I don't think you appreciate the gravity of how much damage 1-2% of a population dying does to the social fabric of society!


  • #4254
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,335 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Probes wrote: »
    How do you propose to gather the evidence regarding whether non essential retail contributing to the spread? How do you trace that? The answer is you can't, hence why there has to be some tough logic to the restrictions. We know it's airborne, we know it spreads indoors in enclosed spaces therefore it's likely that the virus will spread in retail locations.

    So based on no facts/figures we can guess that in Indoor locations with limited numbers allowed onsite, increased hygiene, 100% mask compliance, air conditioning/flow... best to take a guess and close them completely?


  • #4255
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It dropped pretty dramatically in April when essential shops were packed and nobody was wearing masks.

    Think it's pretty damn clear now that this is highly seasonal.


  • #4256
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Closing schools would do more harm than good, in particular the Primary schools... Same for years 1 - 3 in secondary schools.
    Older students are more able to study from home and get lessons emailed or done over video conference...

    I didn't say they should be closed. But we can not keep defending keeping them open based on a plan introduced when the community transmission circumstances were very different.

    If they are to stay open, what additional precautions are going to be taken? We can't operate to the same levels and procedures that served us only while the general community transmission rates were low. Things have changed, review and plan again.

    The government can't keep defending their policies based on plans that may no longer be effective, because circumstances have changed dramatically. Saying that a failed plan to keep levels low always envisaged keeping schools open, is not good enough.

    The virus has changed, circumstances have changed, what is their new plan?


  • #4257
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,335 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Probes wrote: »
    But many are better protected than the public in these spaces and also because of the incubation period of 2 - 21 days you can't be sure where anyone has caught the thing unless you do an analysis of the virus history tree, which you can't do in a retail setting because so many people come and go. There has to be an element of logic to this, indoor spaces where people mix are going to be the places where the virus has the potential to spread.

    "Incubation period of 2 - 21 days" where did you get that?... According to the HSE it's 5 - 6 days on average, though could be as much as 14 days: https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/frequentlyaskedquestions/


  • #4258
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,977 ✭✭✭Russman


    niallo27 wrote: »
    It dropped pretty dramatically in April when essential shops were packed and nobody was wearing masks.

    But were essential shops really “packed” in April ? I remember doing click and collect for the weekly groceries and there was always a queue to get in and numbers were being really strictly policed. Compliance with distancing and one way systems was much much higher. I guess it shows they can operate safely but people need to stop taking the p1ss and obey the guidelines.

    Plus pretty much everything else was shut, construction, schools, gyms etc.


  • #4259
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Probes wrote: »
    But many are better protected than the public in these spaces and also because of the incubation period of 2 - 21 days you can't be sure where anyone has caught the thing unless you do an analysis of the virus history tree, which you can't do in a retail setting because so many people come and go. There has to be an element of logic to this, indoor spaces where people mix are going to be the places where the virus has the potential to spread.

    All I ‘m reading from your logic is that retail workers should have been dropping like flies , yet even when mask wearing wasn’t mandatory in a retail setting they weren’t.


  • #4260
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    So based on no facts/figures we can guess that in Indoor locations with limited numbers allowed onsite, increased hygiene, 100% mask compliance, air conditioning/flow... best to take a guess and close them completely?

    Nope, there is a lot of facts and research showing the virus spreads in indoor settings. I can't think of any research that indicates public mixing in retail spaces doesn't contribute.


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  • #4261
    delly
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    If everyone is wearing masks, why can't schools stay open?

    Masks are only one part of preventative measures, they are not a magic shield in isolation. If such a view is prevalent in society, then it may show why we are in the position we are in.


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