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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4202
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    jams100 wrote: »
    Any covid protest that was organised.
    A curfew makes zero sense. Whats after a curfew? Literally locking us in our homes? Where the f**k does it end?
    (I am someone who has complied with all the restrictions to date btw)

    I wouldn’t take much heed of the extreme suggestions here.


  • #4203
    PmMeUrDogs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 769 ✭✭✭PmMeUrDogs


    Bananaleaf wrote: »
    I'm so sorry to hear that. Things sound a bit more urgent for you than they do for me (as far as I know, but sure that is just it, you don't know)

    I don't think they can postpone people's medical treatments again. Jesus Christ if they are going to say that having a carvery in a pub is essential but an MRI isn't, what cowboys have we in charge at all?

    I don't think there's any way of comparing tbh, the fact you've been left this long without being checked is an absolute disgrace tbh.


    If they postpone my consultations again, I'll end up with no choice but to look into legal avenues tbh, because the last big covid related delay to my operation led to huge amounts of damage and far more invasive treatments than if they'd done it initially. Maybe they'll remember that and continue treatments pending negative tests.


  • #4204
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,948 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    How will your lunacy be enforced?

    Sure, countries which actually did it must be full of lunatics..

    The only thing I get from your post is enforcement, yeah that would be a problem in Ireland for sure. Enforcement is kind of dirty word here..


  • #4205
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    I don't get them either, but we take idea's from other EU countries and they have them

    Right, but at least all of them (excluding France) have a start/end that's not as mad as 8pm-8am (most seems to start at 10-12pm and end at 5-6am https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-53640249).

    As a matter of fact, I know that the curfew in Italy is a joke. Dunno about the other countries, but all it does in Italy is prevent people from going on a walk/exercise by themself, but anyone that want to visit friend/family/party just does what I wrote before.


  • #4206
    fits
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    Ger Roe wrote: »
    Regardless of whether the new strain affects children more, the deal with schools staying open was that the entire community worked to keep the general infection rate low, so that schools could remain open and active.

    The community working together aspect is blown out of the water now and cases in the community are higher than previous worst predictions. This is not the same scenario that existed before Christmas and the government insisting that schools were always due to stay open in level 5 refers back to a previous prediction in a much different prevailing situation.

    I had worked in schools before Christmas and was happy with the precautions taken in them and the general situation outside them. We are not in the same place now and an urgent review of the current situation needs to be undertaken, without blind adherence to previous plans and circumstances that clearly no longer apply.

    I agree with you. Schools being open were demonstrably an acceptable risk before the break, but with uncontrolled community transmission at the levels we are now seeing I don’t think they can reopen safely.


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  • #4207
    Plumbthedepths
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    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Sure, countries which actually did it must be full of lunatics..

    The only thing I get from your post is enforcement, yeah that would be a problem in Ireland for sure. Enforcement is kind of dirty word here..

    I know you are not Irish so the policing by consent method maybe a strange notion for you but it has served the state well since it’s foundation.


  • #4208
    hotmail.com
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    More restrictions must include shutting down construction, which would put 100,000 people on the PUP.

    Disaster.


  • #4209
    petes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    xhomelezz wrote: »
    Sure, countries which actually did it must be full of lunatics..

    The only thing I get from your post is enforcement, yeah that would be a problem in Ireland for sure. Enforcement is kind of dirty word here..

    Well leave out the word lunacy. How exactly will it be enforced here, in Ireland.


  • #4210
    Away With The Fairies
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    fits wrote: »
    Looks like new variant is especially found in school going children. As well as being more transmissible eg increasing Rt from 0.9 to 1.6 when compared with older variant.


    Sorry for inelegant explanation

    More here

    https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1344774555718590464?s=21

    They really cannot ignore it anymore, schools are a problem.


  • #4211
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    If they decide to tighten up restrictions again before 14th, then it's a bit of a clown show. Same as when they moved from level 3 to 5. These things need time to work.

    We've applied level 5 now knowing exactly how incredibly bad things are going to get. Kite-flying tougher restrictions now seems ridiculous.

    I appreciate that the Ministers have probably been sent out to talk the media and drive the message home that the pandemic is probably worse now than it has ever been so people need to cop on.
    But I'm not sure spreading confusion like this is a good idea.


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  • #4212
    hotmail.com
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    They really cannot ignore it anymore, schools are a problem.

    Donnelly said schools are a safe place for children.


  • #4213
    TonyMaloney
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    Solar2021 wrote: »
    Closing non essential mask wearing retail was my point

    Feel they should have kept gym's open too for people mental's health, but make them mask wearing only.

    The idea that gyms might remain open was ruining my mental health


  • #4214
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Solar2021 wrote: »
    Imperial have been wrong on so many things so far.

    I'd wait for more reliable sources.

    I don’t think this person is at all unreliable. Did you read the thread?. More research definitely needed but I don’t like what I’m reading at this stage. Not at all.


  • #4215
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,371 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Donnelly said schools are a safe place for children.

    Donnelly said in November that the HSE had the capacity to process 140,000 tests a week.
    Now they aren't even testing close contacts to 'support the testing system'.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #4216
    fits
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Donnelly said schools are a safe place for children.

    Even the WHO says ‘ in the context of low levels of community transmission’ This is no longer the case.


  • #4217
    hotmail.com
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    If everyone is wearing masks, why can't schools stay open?


  • #4218
    jackboy
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    seamus wrote: »
    If they decide to tighten up restrictions again before 14th, then it's a bit of a clown show. Same as when they moved from level 3 to 5. These things need time to work.
    But then

    We've applied level 5 now knowing exactly how incredibly bad things are going to get. Kite-flying tougher restrictions now seems ridiculous.

    I appreciate that the Ministers have probably been sent out to talk the media and drive the message home that the pandemic is probably worse now than it has ever been so people need to cop on.
    But I'm not sure spreading confusion like this is a good idea.
    We keep doing things backwards. Slowly ramping up restrictions is the wrong way to go. Far better to go hard initially and then slowly ease off over the weeks based on the numbers. That is a far more controlled way of doing it.


  • #4219
    xhomelezz
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I know you are not Irish so the policing by consent method maybe a strange notion for you but it has served the state well since it’s foundation.

    You sure it did? My observation is a bit different.


  • #4220
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,335 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    If everyone is wearing masks, why can't schools stay open?

    Because the public and teachers unions are demanding schools be closed...?


  • #4221
    jams100
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I wouldn’t take much heed of the extreme suggestions here.

    Well, is this not Simon Conveys suggestion, did he not say level 5 might not be enough?

    What tools. Level 3 would be enough if people stuck rigidly to it, well, at least before this new varient anyway.

    I just think its going past ridiculous now, what if the virus mutates again and the vaccine doesn't work? Do we go on like this for another 3 months, 6 months, a year, two years???

    Covid is a terrible illness for some but perspective is needed "only" what 1 or 2% of people who get covid will die from it.
    If that was 30 or 40% etc. then I could get on board with any sort of restrictions.

    My point is that the restrictions should be proportionate to the illness.
    What happens next year when we have 6 or 7 hundred people on trolleys? Do we start locking down again?


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  • #4222
    JeffKenna
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    If everyone is wearing masks, why can't schools stay open?

    If everyone is wearing masks, why can't non essential retail stay open?


  • #4223
    Away With The Fairies
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    khalessi wrote: »
    Good to hear as lots of teachers who said they caught it in school were told they would be written in as community transmission

    This is scandalous if it's true.


  • #4224
    hotmail.com
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    JeffKenna wrote: »
    If everyone is wearing masks, why can't non essential retail stay open?

    That's my point as well. I thought masks were great?


  • #4225
    Away With The Fairies
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    JeffKenna wrote: »
    If everyone is wearing masks, why can't non essential retail stay open?

    Because people don't wear them properly.


  • #4226
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    If everyone is wearing masks, why can't schools stay open?

    Slashed PPE budget by 40%
    No social distancing
    No track and tracing
    Over crowded
    No proper ventilation to deal with this
    Approach of 3rd wave worse for children 50-70% more infectious for children
    Hospitals becoming sluddenly very busy
    Daily case numbers getting higher
    Dr Nolan stating we have lost the virus in the community.
    See what is happening in London, more children being hospitalised with this
    Teachers 11th on list for vaccine so that means summer at earliest
    VHR staff working as classed as HR
    For starters


  • #4227
    JeffKenna
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    That's my point as well. I thought masks were great?

    They are great, I have a cool logo on mine.


  • #4228
    jackboy
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    JeffKenna wrote: »
    If everyone is wearing masks, why can't non essential retail stay open?

    It’s easier to police than breaking up house parties.


  • #4229
    hotmail.com
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    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Because people don't wear them properly.

    Maybe early on. From what I've seen, over 95% are wearing masks and wearing them properly.


  • #4230
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭fits


    jams100 wrote: »
    Covid is a terrible illness for some but perspective is needed "only" what 1 or 2% of people who get covid will die from it.
    If that was 30 or 40% etc. then I could get on board with any sort of restrictions.


    1% of our population is 50000 people. In reality many more would die as health service couldn’t treat anyone for anything really. Is that acceptable to you?


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  • #4231
    khalessi
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    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Maybe early on. From what I've seen, over 95% are wearing masks and wearing them properly.

    Not in primary schools, and this new strain is more infectious in that age group along with previous reasons mentioned above.


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