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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4052
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,100 ✭✭✭prunudo


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    But but but the border....

    We can't keep doing nothing. Yes the border is an issue but they can't keep turning a blind eye to whats coming in through other entry points into the country.
    Short time frame testing should have been rolled out months ago.


  • #4053
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Absolutely . Plus they were testing close contacts with no symptoms up to now
    Now suddenly as the system collapses its not necessary ?

    But maybe they know that asymptomatic cases' do not really contribute to spread in any meaningful way.
    This has been flagged by the WHO
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

    And well documented in several studies.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w


  • #4054
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    Sardonicat wrote: »
    But what if she doesn't develop symptoms but is positive? Her contacts would still be making essential shopping trips or possibly doing care visits to an elderly relative.

    That is correct. When I said no effective change I mean Jo still restricts her movements, regardless of a test. There could be some cases of asymptomatic transmission to 2nd contacts, but with everyone now supposed to be limiting contacts, 2nd contacts are less likely to be an issue.


  • #4055
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Stheno wrote: »
    And the Italians
    And the school skiing trips

    And my axe


  • #4056
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    normanoffside wrote: »
    But maybe they know that asymptomatic cases' do not really contribute to spread in any meaningful way.
    This has been flagged by the WHO
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-patients-arent-spreading-new-infections-who-says.html

    And well documented in several studies.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-020-19802-w

    Typhoid Mary
    Mary Mallon was a super-spreader before the term existed, a disease carrier so notorious she acquired a celebrity nickname: Typhoid Mary.

    Mallon showed no symptoms but was infected with typhoid and triggered multiple outbreaks in New York at the turn of the 20th century.
    https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/mar/10/typhoid-mary-super-spreader-history


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  • #4057
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,149 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Is there a county breakdown today


  • #4058
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,888 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Absolutely . Plus they were testing close contacts with no symptoms up to now
    Now suddenly as the system collapses its not necessary ?

    It is , but they can't, as swamped, so resorting to old style isolation.
    Totally inadequate I agree.
    We won't know true number of cases and if numbers dropping it may just be only the tip of the iceberg ie. only symptomatic cases being picked up .
    As soon as that happens there will be calls by interested groups to open up , NPHET will say don't , government will fluff it again and do what they have done , lift restrictions before time is right or open too much together, and we will be back to square one again the following month .
    Depressing, inadequate...


  • #4059
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,399 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Stheno wrote: »
    I think someone posted a link to a report from the Hse that showed last week something like 40% of those who tested positive had no.symptoms

    Think its the epidemiological report

    If I've remembered that right it is concerning

    Maybe there is a fairly large amount of people out there with no or very mild symptoms?

    The latest report has ~36% have symptoms at time of test.
    They have recently added in an unknown figure, which I though initially was perhaps due to private testing not having to pass on details, but the unknown figures now are so high, it just looks like they haven't processed them. AS in the box was ticked on the form, but not entered into a database etc... sue to the sheer volume.
    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-1914-dayepidemiologyreports/COVID-19%2014%20day%20epidemiology%20report_20201230_Website.pdf


  • #4060
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Yes. No Covid sick pay , unless confirmed case ?

    Surely if you have to isolate because of being a close contact, you would get the covid sick pay?


  • #4061
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Value in clinical terms for test, but close contacts dont help public policy, they know actions they will take, and 1 in 5 close contacts positive according to Tony, that's kinda high all considering.


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  • #4062
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,042 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    coastwatch wrote: »
    No effective change here as far as I can tell.
    Jo is a close contact, so restricts movements for 14 days.
    If Jo develops symptoms, she contacts GP for referral for a test.
    If Jo tests positive, her close contacts are informed.
    Exactly. Jo still acts as if she is potentially infected, regardless of symptoms. There's no change. It's whether Jo will or not, without a confirming test, that's the issue.
    If they can't work from home, it's a bit of a tough one but there's not much you can do if you want to start paying everyone who is a close contact as it's expensive and rife for abuse unfortunately. It's just another part of a crappy situation.


  • #4063
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,888 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Nothing, wee girl had to get tested in October, phoned work who said clearly dont come in, phoned SW, "your works there for you,not our problem" so had to take holiday days until negative result,

    Yes . This is the problem and has been all along .


  • #4064
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Stheno wrote: »
    I think someone posted a link to a report from the Hse that showed last week something like 40% of those who tested positive had no.symptoms

    Think its the epidemiological report

    If I've remembered that right it is concerning

    Maybe there is a fairly large amount of people out there with no or very mild symptoms?

    Read something about Iceland doing major testing because they could with a small enough population and they found 43% of positive cases showed no symptoms.


  • #4065
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Had to go into Accident and emergency last night in limerick with the young one, just a precaution, she is fine. The place was empty, I was in and out in 40 minutes. Last time I was there I had to wait 10 hours with the father. I'm not trying to point score or prove any points, just for people out there that are worried tonight, hospitals are still well on top of things.


  • #4066
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Had to go into Accident and emergency last night in limerick with the young one, just a precaution, she is fine. The place was empty, I was in and out in 40 minutes. Last time I was there I had to wait 10 hours with the father. I'm not trying to point score or prove any points, just for people out there that are worried tonight, hospitals are still well on top of things.

    Midlands hospital stuffed earlier A/e the covid wards etc and a Dublin hospital had a bunch of covid ppositive people turned up with their contacts and it caused chaos.


  • #4067
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    khalessi wrote: »
    Midlands hospital stuffed earlier A/e the covid wards etc and a Dublin hospital had a bunch of covid ppositive people turned up with their contacts and it caused chaos.

    They all just brought their contacts with them.


  • #4068
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Had to go into Accident and emergency last night in limerick with the young one, just a precaution, she is fine. The place was empty, I was in and out in 40 minutes. Last time I was there I had to wait 10 hours with the father. I'm not trying to point score or prove any points, just for people out there that are worried tonight, hospitals are still well on top of things.

    Jeez, A&E might be quiet but some wards are under severe pressure and seriously understaffed too.

    Sorry, but it sounds like your usual underplaying the situation and most certainly an attempt at point scoring.


    I'll tell my daughter and my sister in law that they are imagining the situation they thought they were dealing with.


  • #4069
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    niallo27 wrote: »
    They all just brought their contacts with them.

    Yup so it seems, place was mental allegedly


  • #4070
    gifted
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,051 ✭✭✭gifted


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Had to go into Accident and emergency last night in limerick with the young one, just a precaution, she is fine. The place was empty, I was in and out in 40 minutes. Last time I was there I had to wait 10 hours with the father. I'm not trying to point score or prove any points, just for people out there that are worried tonight, hospitals are still well on top of things.

    Father went to uh cork at 6.30 yesterday....got a bed at 4.55am....he's 80.....not exactly well on top of things now are they?


  • #4071
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Years ago James was one of the busiest A/Es in Europe so they decided to send a camera crew there for a documentary, cue one of the quietest nights ever, was hilarious the nurse at the counter discussing how busy it usually was. :D

    Sometimes you can just be lucky to get an empty A/E


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  • #4072
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,888 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Surely if you have to isolate because of being a close contact, you would get the covid sick pay?

    Yes if you are of a confirmed case
    Otherwise no . Annual bloody leave .
    Sorry not aimed at you but it is not an issue unless the testing goes down , and now it is !


  • #4073
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    gifted wrote: »
    Father went to uh cork at 6.30 yesterday....got a bed at 4.55am....he's 80.....not exactly well on top of things now are they?

    I wasn't in Cork, I went to limerick. Where was he kept until that time.


  • #4074
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,888 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Bubbaclaus wrote: »
    Lol, not with the 4k cases in backlog.

    And will be rising for another week to 2 before it goes down ...except of course we will be catching less due to not testing close contacts .


  • #4075
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    niallo27 wrote: »
    I wasn't in Cork, I went to limerick. Where was he kept until that time.

    I think we are all making the point you were lucky to get in and out so quick.


  • #4076
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Jeez, A&E might be quiet but some wards are under severe pressure and seriously understaffed too.

    Sorry, but it sounds like your usual underplaying the situation and most certainly an attempt at point scoring.


    I'll tell my daughter and my sister in law that they are imagining the situation they thought they were dealing with.

    I specifically said I wasn't point scoring in my post. ****en hell it doesn't have to be all end of the world stuff.


  • #4077
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,888 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Signing off now, wishing ye all as good a New Year as it can be under the circumstances x


  • #4078
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Signing off now, wishing ye all as good a New Year as it can be under the circumstances x

    Thanks - happy new year to you.


  • #4079
    MD1990
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,740 ✭✭✭✭MD1990


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Had to go into Accident and emergency last night in limerick with the young one, just a precaution, she is fine. The place was empty, I was in and out in 40 minutes. Last time I was there I had to wait 10 hours with the father. I'm not trying to point score or prove any points, just for people out there that are worried tonight, hospitals are still well on top of things.

    So all hospitals are fine because one in Limerick the A&E was not busy. Ok makes no sense.

    The worry isn't about hospital cases atm anyway,

    It is how they will be in 2-4 weeks time if cases dont reduce


  • #4080
    embraer170
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭embraer170


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    It wasn't that long ago that many state services were having to pay Microsoft a significant annual premium for continued extended support on Windows XP because they were unable to migrate their systems on to newer and supported versions of Windows.



    I wasted an hour earlier trying and failing to validate a Mygovid, but the software is a disaster, and after a number of attempts, using different browsers, I gave up, and if that's an example of the sort of garbage that's deemed acceptable by the state service providers, it's little wonder that they are in the complete mess that they are in now.



    Makes me wonder if they are using some sort of ancient system that was cloned off an old 80 column punch card system that then relies on all manner of stand alone sort routines and the like to produce a result, probably running on stand alone computers with no networking capability, using a version of Excel that's about 10 years out of date.


    Cynic in me says that they've blown a 64K record file size limit somewhere, and can't fix it until the consultants return from their holidays on Jan 4, as there's no one in house with the capability of fixing it.

    That's a fair assessment of how I have seen IT projects run in some public sector organisations.

    I wouldn't expect anyone back to think of fixing anything before the 4th, and there will be a few Committee meetings at different levels to agree and discuss ways forwards before anything gets started.


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  • #4081
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    To all those I annoyed apologies, to those I didn’t I may yet. Anyway it’s a place to share ideas and opinions some not always pleasing or interesting but all I wish to say is have a good new year all of you , I wish you happiness and health and remember better times ahead.
    Time for a beer and a glass of bubbly.


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