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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #4022
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,928 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Good read, France isn't messing around:

    'France has mobilised 100,000 police and gendarmes to break up New Year's Eve parties and enforce a curfew from 8pm to 6am.

    Half of the metro lines in Paris will also be closed in the evening to discourage gatherings.

    France has had two national lockdowns and bars, restaurants and cultural attractions will remain shut into January.

    The country has the largest number of COVID-19 cases in Western Europe.'

    No, can't be right its only happening in Ireland where anti pub Tony and NPHET are closing down bars.


  • #4023
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Still being informed, and told to isolate , but no test being arranged.

    Informed of what though ? The first one not tested does not know they are positive so how can their contacts know to isolate ? We could have the whole country isolating for no reason ??


  • #4024
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    The first one not tested does not know they are positive so how can their contacts know to isolate ? We could have the whole country isolating for no reason ??

    Well Tony basically said that's what we should do this evening


  • #4025
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Are you talking generally ?
    Or is that for just UK ?

    Just the UK. Someone in government or civil service said it.


  • #4026
    Tucker tunsel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Tucker tunsel


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Interesting, Canada will require air travellers aged five and above to test negative for Covid-19 before arrival, starting 7 January.

    Canada here is going about this the correct way.what other options has countries got?


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  • #4027
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,888 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Funsterdelux wrote: »
    bannister.4minute.jpg

    Dont you wanna lick a bannister?

    Only one called Trevor !


  • #4028
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Interesting, Canada will require air travellers aged five and above to test negative for Covid-19 before arrival, starting 7 January.

    But but but the border....


  • #4029
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Stheno wrote: »
    Well Tony basically said that's what we should do this evening

    I cannot see anyone doing that

    So Jane is in contact with a positive case . Jane is not ill and not tested , she has 6 close contacts who only know that Jane had a close contact .
    That 6 also have 5 close contacts who have no idea that they are in that chain
    Eventually half the country would be isolating in vain ?


  • #4030
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,888 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    The first one not tested does not know they are positive so how can their contacts know to isolate ? We could have the whole country isolating for no reason ??

    You are talking 2nd degree contacts?
    Patients with symptoms are still referred for tests .
    Btw not my decision (!) as only passing the info on ..


  • #4031
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    You are talking 2nd degree contacts?
    Patients with symptoms are still referred for tests .
    Btw not my decision (!) as only passing the info on ..

    Yes . For example Jo was in close contact . No symptoms no test . Her contacts do not know if they are close contacts because they don’t know if Jo is positive or not. That could be a disaster .


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  • #4032
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    eigrod wrote: »
    Must’ve been a lot of hospital discharges today, 8am 491 in hospital; 8pm 476 in hospital. A small positive on an otherwise grim day for numbers.

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/cov-id-19-daily-operations-update-20-00-31-december-2020.pdf

    Great news..one thing we need to remember is that treatments for Covid have come a long way since March.


  • #4033
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,888 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I cannot see anyone doing that

    So Jane is in contact with a positive case . Jane is not ill and not tested , she has 6 close contacts who only know that Jane had a close contact .
    That 6 also have 5 close contacts who have no idea that they are in that chain
    Eventually half the country would be isolating in vain ?

    I don't believe that contacts of close contacts are asked to isolate ,are they?
    Only if their contact becomes confirmed case.
    However I do agree it is going to be a hard decision for some, but given the way things are , would it not be wise for anyone in that situation to essentially take themselves out if circulation for 14 days from that contact ?

    Edit only seeing Jo's story now, but think same answer applies applies, but it is far from ideal .


  • #4034
    Tucker tunsel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 ✭Tucker tunsel


    The only way out of this will be when most if not all have got the vaccine.

    It will happen. I guess we just have to be patient and have trust we can get it out to as many at the very earliest.

    Everything does the full circle. We will get ok of this


  • #4035
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I don't believe that contacts of close contacts are asked to isolate ,are they?
    Only if their contact becomes confirmed case.
    However I do agree it is going to be a hard decision for some, but given the way things are , would it not be wise for anyone in that situation to essentially take themselves out if circulation for 14 days from that contact ?
    The big problem I see there are people in poorly paid jobs who will not be paid if e.g. they work in a supermarket and need to stay home, there doesn't seem to be social welfare available in this circumstance


  • #4036
    coastwatch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭coastwatch


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Yes . For example Jo was in close contact . No symptoms no test . Her contacts do not know if they are close contacts because they don’t know if Jo is positive or not. That could be a disaster .

    No effective change here as far as I can tell.
    Jo is a close contact, so restricts movements for 14 days.
    If Jo develops symptoms, she contacts GP for referral for a test.
    If Jo tests positive, her close contacts are informed.


  • #4037
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    coastwatch wrote: »
    No effective change here as far as I can tell.
    Jo is a close contact, so restricts movements for 14 days.
    If Jo develops symptoms, she contacts GP for referral for a test.
    If Jo tests positive, her close contacts are informed.

    No , I am almost sure that close contacts with no symptoms were being tested up to now . Jo would have been tested despite no symptoms


  • #4038
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,888 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Stheno wrote: »
    The big problem I see there are people in poorly paid jobs who will not be paid if e.g. they work in a supermarket and need to stay home, there doesn't seem to be social welfare available in this circumstance

    Yes. No Covid sick pay , unless confirmed case ?


  • #4039
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    coastwatch wrote: »
    No effective change here as far as I can tell.
    Jo is a close contact, so restricts movements for 14 days.
    If Jo develops symptoms, she contacts GP for referral for a test.
    If Jo tests positive, her close contacts are informed.

    But what if she doesn't develop symptoms but is positive? Her contacts would still be making essential shopping trips or possibly doing care visits to an elderly relative.


  • #4040
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    No , I am almost sure that close contacts with no symptoms were being tested up to now . Jo would have been tested despite no symptoms

    She would


  • #4041
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Yes . For example Jo was in close contact . No symptoms no test . Her contacts do not know if they are close contacts because they don’t know if Jo is positive or not. That could be a disaster .

    Also Tony said earlier no point testing close contact (apart from increased volume that would occur) no new information gained from it. Surely it would indicate spread if positive?


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  • #4042
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    khalessi wrote: »
    Also Tony said earlier no point testing close contact (apart from increased volume that would occur) no new information gained from it. Surely it would indicate spread if positive?

    Absolutely . Plus they were testing close contacts with no symptoms up to now
    Now suddenly as the system collapses its not necessary ?


  • #4043
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Stheno wrote: »
    The big problem I see there are people in poorly paid jobs who will not be paid if e.g. they work in a supermarket and need to stay home, there doesn't seem to be social welfare available in this circumstance

    Nothing, wee girl had to get tested in October, phoned work who said clearly dont come in, phoned SW, "your works there for you,not our problem" so had to take holiday days until negative result,


  • #4044
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Absolutely . Plus they were testing close contacts with no symptoms up to now
    Now suddenly as the system collapses its not necessary ?

    Thats schools sorted for 11th :cool:


  • #4045
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Absolutely . Plus they were testing close contacts with no symptoms up to now
    Now suddenly as the system collapses its not necessary ?

    I think someone posted a link to a report from the Hse that showed last week something like 40% of those who tested positive had no.symptoms

    Think its the epidemiological report

    If I've remembered that right it is concerning

    Maybe there is a fairly large amount of people out there with no or very mild symptoms?


  • #4046
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    khalessi wrote: »
    Thats schools sorted for 11th :cool:

    A ****show if they cannot offer tests to close contacts .


  • #4047
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    A ****show if they cannot offer tests to close contacts .

    Complete ****show

    Be interested to see how long this period of time is without testing close contacts.


  • #4048
    cityboyjim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 ✭✭cityboyjim


    Seriously guys If I was Micheal Martin I would be kicking myself for not giving the gig to Sin Fein .Talk about taking on a ****e situation .


  • #4049
    Halfdane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 50 ✭✭Halfdane


    Remember that they haven’t been testing close contacts in schools anyway, so it will make no difference there.


  • #4050
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,888 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    No , I am almost sure that close contacts with no symptoms were being tested up to now . Jo would have been tested despite no symptoms

    Yes, but before that they were not and it is gone back to that again. Informed that they are close contacts of a case, told to isolate and also asked to inform their own close contacts so that they can isolate make their own decisions .
    This is just my understanding , and am open to correction.
    It is not ideal but it us why we are meant to be shutting down .
    The government are again behind in coming out with appropriate guidance and SW benefits for those that cannot afford to isolate .
    As Stheno said , this needs to happen asap or many will continue to go work infected and asymptomatic, and when we are all wondering why this lockdown isn't working as well as it should be ....


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  • #4051
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Halfdane wrote: »
    Remember that they haven’t been testing close contacts in schools anyway, so it will make no difference there.

    It will because children live in the untested community in addition to the school


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