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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #3452
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    I'm very sorry to hear that.

    Just to be clear, I'm not trying to downplay the mental health aspect of this. It's very real. There are undoubtedly people who are being crippled by stress/anxiety/depression and I have huge sympathy for them.

    It's the folks saying "this will affect my mental health" because I can't play golf/go to the gym/go to the pub/go on holidays. Many of those aren't suffering mental health problems...they're just less happy because their lives are being restricted.

    Please show some empathy. For some people these things are mental health issues.

    I do agree with the current restrictions - I just don’t think genuine issues should be dismissed.


  • #3453
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    Irishdude91 wrote: »
    Anyone know how long it takes once you are identified as a close contact and complete the online booking with your reference number before they text with an appointment?

    Took 48 hours for myself and 72 for my son (but I had a symptom and he does not), there is an option to pay 40 euros to expedite it by a day or so (which my wife and youngest availed of) - this was aprox time to appointment, not time to get an appointment

    (I suspect we just got in ahead of the current surge.)

    Also I got a text as 1pm for a test at 6pm (which I only spotted at 5:50pm! So keep an eye on the phone).


  • #3454
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    schmoo2k wrote: »
    Took 48 hours for myself and 72 for my son (but I had a symptom and he does not), there is an option to pay 40 euros to expedite it by a day or so (which my wife and youngest availed of).

    (I suspect we just got in ahead of the current surge.)

    Also I got a text as 1pm for a test at 6pm (which I only spotted at 5:50pm! So keep an eye on the phone).

    Are you saying that public health testing is now two tier?


  • #3455
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,959 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Bleak day in London

    https://twitter.com/jujuliagrace/status/1344642392733978624?s=21


  • #3456
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Widescreen wrote: »
    The first lock down actually did the trick at the time.

    2km limit from your home, strongly advised to work from home if possible, non-essential business shut, schools closed.

    Current lockdown is a diluted version and will not work. It hadn't worked by December and the m*****s opened things up and now look at the carnage they have created.

    Why won’t it work?
    5km is too wide a distance, it should be 2km.
    Enforce people who returned to work after initial lockdown to work from home again.
    Non-essential business list is a joke, they should do a list of essential businesses instead, it should be easier to compile. Most businesses deemed non-essential then seem “essential now! In fairness a Car Wash is essential?-they are having a laugh.
    Only exam year students should do lessons in school. Others should do online.
    Enforce the restrictions properly, that is never done.
    I think Level 5 needs to be updated with these and other measures I haven’t thought of.
    The current level is only really a Level 4.
    If restrictions stay as they are and the 9-5 vaccine process continues we will be doing this crap for the next 10 years and most importantly many people dying unnecessarily.

    There was a high level of public buy-in for the first lockdown. That has diminished significantly. Nothing will reverse that now.


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  • #3457
    Mimon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Mimon


    Widescreen wrote: »
    The first lock down actually did the trick at the time.

    2km limit from your home, strongly advised to work from home if possible, non-essential business shut, schools closed.

    Current lockdown is a diluted version and will not work. It hadn't worked by December and the m*****s opened things up and now look at the carnage they have created.

    Why won’t it work?
    5km is too wide a distance, it should be 2km.
    Enforce people who returned to work after initial lockdown to work from home again.
    Non-essential business list is a joke, they should do a list of essential businesses instead, it should be easier to compile. Most businesses deemed non-essential then seem “essential now! In fairness a Car Wash is essential?-they are having a laugh.
    Only exam year students should do lessons in school. Others should do online.
    Enforce the restrictions properly, that is never done.
    I think Level 5 needs to be updated with these and other measures I haven’t thought of.
    The current level is only really a Level 4.
    If restrictions stay as they are and the 9-5 vaccine process continues we will be doing this crap for the next 10 years and most importantly many people dying unnecessarily.

    I am generally a supporter of the restrictions but your thought process here is to simple and lacks subtlety.

    Have you taken into account the need to keep the economy functioning in terms of long term outcomes for the populations health? Have you thought about the fact that in outdoor spaces with social distancing the risk is non existent so how would 2km help?


  • #3458
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    eigrod wrote: »
    Bleak day in London

    https://twitter.com/jujuliagrace/status/1344642392733978624?s=21

    Some of these doctors don't seem to spend a minute off twitter.


  • #3459
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Mimon wrote: »
    I am generally a supporter of the restrictions but your thought process here is to simple and lacks subtlety.

    Have you taken into account the need to keep the economy functioning in terms of long term outcomes for the populations health? Have you thought about the fact that in outdoor spaces with social distancing the risk is non existent so how would 2km help?

    Doesn't care because life is probably grand for him/her


  • #3460
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Some of these doctors don't seem to spend a minute off twitter.

    Are they even real doctors?


  • #3461
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    growleaves wrote: »
    Wrong. I disagree with forced social isolation which is wrong, I'm not trying to be a "brave rebel". Anyone has access to the truth which us staring them in the face.

    It would be a lot easier for me to endure the restrictions if I thought that they were justified but I don't.

    Well, you painted a word picture of yourself busy analysing what is going on, thinking things out and coming to the correct conclusions while sneering at a contrasting group of unquestioning drones who just follow government/expert recommendations & rules due to their own failings and shortcomings. That was the reason for my "brave rebel" comment.

    Afair you always disagreed with pretty much all of the governments' restrictions or recommendations if I'm not confusing you with another poster. It is not as if you followed events during the pandemic since March and reasoned your way to that conclusion. You have an ideological position on it which you present as a "truth".


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  • #3462
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    lawred2 wrote: »
    Are they even real doctors?

    Yep, no doubt that they are. Just saying that the amount of twitter posts a lot of them do on a daily basis in the middle of the pandemic is surprising. Would have thought they would have better things to be doing.


  • #3463
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Yep, no doubt that they are. Just saying that the amount of twitter posts a lot of them do on a daily basis in the middle of the pandemic is surprising. Would have thought they would have better things to be doing.

    I was being sarcastic


  • #3464
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    The HorsesMouth wrote: »
    Today just nails it home that we need vaccination and we need it so fast. This delay in the AZ one on the EU side is absolutely infuriating. It's obvious the vaccine is safe, but there is either a delay with AZ sending info to the EMA or the EMA are being ridiculously pedantic. There is NO excuse for either happening.

    How is it obvious that the AZ one is safe?


  • #3465
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Yep, no doubt that they are. Just saying that the amount of twitter posts a lot of them do on a daily basis in the middle of the pandemic is surprising. Would have thought they would have better things to be doing.

    The one linked above is a part time doctor and part time campaigner on doctors issues.


  • #3466
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Seems strange that the UK would act so quickly in the absence of full data. I thought they had a robust regulation system.

    Doesn’t seem strange to me at all.

    I think Johnson, Patel and the rest of that cabal would do anything to put themselves in a good light, after the omnishambles of Covid in U.K.

    It’s all a little too quick for my liking, administering a new drug in a regime which has been tested on 2700 people, all under 50.


  • #3467
    Martina1991
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭Martina1991


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Yep, no doubt that they are. Just saying that the amount of twitter posts a lot of them do on a daily basis in the middle of the pandemic is surprising. Would have thought they would have better things to be doing.

    Believe it or not, medical personnel are entitled to time off, and post whatever opinions they want on social media.

    These accounts post insight into the real, escalating situation in hospitals that you otherwise wouldn't know about.

    People may be more inclined to listen to actual doctors than politicians or the media.


  • #3468
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    AdamD wrote: »
    Imagine actively wishing for a police state

    Imagine preferring endless lockdowns, misery, and economic devastation instead.


  • #3469
    schmoo2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭schmoo2k


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Are you saying that public health testing is now two tier?

    Theirs was via an out of hours GP service, mine was via the HSE callback process.


  • #3470
    BobbyMalone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭BobbyMalone


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Believe it or not, medical personnel are entitled to time off, and post whatever opinions they want on social media.

    These accounts post insight into the real, escalating situation in hospitals that you otherwise wouldn't know about.

    People may be more inclined to listen to actual doctors than politicians or the media.


    It's mad that someone would read that tweet and their first thought was that they spend too much time on Twitter.


  • #3471
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    fly_agaric wrote: »
    Well, you painted a word picture of yourself busy analysing what is going on, thinking things out and coming to the correct conclusions while sneering at a contrasting group of unquestioning drones who just follow government/expert recommendations & rules due to their own failings and shortcomings. That was the reason for my "brave rebel" comment.

    Afair you always disagreed with pretty much all of the governments' restrictions or recommendations if I'm not confusing you with another poster. It is not as if you followed events during the pandemic since March and reasoned your way to that conclusion. You have an ideological position on it which you present as a "truth".

    I never mentioned myself at all let one painted a word picture of myself as some sort of secret genius.

    Yes I disagreed with lockdown from the start, which doesn't mean my position is an 'ideology'.

    I also claimed we could get years of rolling lockdowns and now we are.


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  • #3472
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    growleaves wrote: »
    I never mentioned myself at all let one painted a word picture of myself as some sort of secret genius.

    Yes I disagreed with lockdown from the start, which doesn't mean my position is an 'ideology'.

    I also claimed we could get years of rolling lockdowns and now we are.

    We are 9 months in, how is that years?:confused:


  • #3473
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    And by the way loads of people have said "I trust the experts" meaning they are admitting that they don't do their own thinking, the experts do the thinking. From their own mouths. They off-loading responsibility that way.


  • #3474
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,593 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    When is lock down starting


  • #3475
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,749 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    growleaves wrote: »
    And by the way loads of people have said "I trust the experts" meaning they are admitting that they don't do their own thinking, the experts do the thinking. From their own mouths. They off-loading responsibility that way.

    Lol

    I'm glad my employer doesn't take that attitude to software engineering skills


  • #3476
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Hopefully this is true, Unsure how credible this source is.

    https://twitter.com/Antcon7062/status/1344660050711891978


  • #3477
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    growleaves wrote: »
    And by the way loads of people have said "I trust the experts" meaning they are admitting that they don't do their own thinking, the experts do the thinking. From their own mouths. They off-loading responsibility that way.
    In a complex area like a pandemic we should be trusting the experts, not relying on leaving cert biology or "common sense". Frankly we've had more than enough know-it-alls telling us what to think on Youtube.


  • #3478
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,101 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    growleaves wrote: »

    I also claimed we could get years of rolling lockdowns and now we are.

    While not years, anybody with a bit of sense could see the pattern would be restriction- easing - restrictions until vaccination in 2021. However most also appreciated that this was not just a routine virus and were concerned over deaths no matter what age group was impacted.


  • #3479
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    eigrod wrote: »
    Bleak day in London

    https://twitter.com/jujuliagrace/status/1344642392733978624?s=21

    Christ

    And some people are asking why the restrictions are necessary


  • #3480
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    khalessi wrote: »
    We are 9 months in, how is that years?:confused:

    2020 - year one

    2021 - year two

    2022 - ?


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  • #3481
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    While not years, anybody with a bit of sense could see the pattern would be restriction- easing - restrictions until vaccination in 2021. However most also appreciated that this was not just a routine virus and were concerned over deaths no matter what age group was impacted.

    Many claimed we would not have another lockdown after March-May.

    It is a routine virus. Happens every few decades.


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