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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #3392
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    I was genuinely asking a question as me and my wife are hoping to start for a child and are concerned with potential issues due to these vaccinations, i think that is a very valid concern in the current climate, im sure youd rather we all blindly accept what we are told though.

    This sort of rhetoric shows your true intentions tbh


  • #3393
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Marty1983 wrote: »
    Agreed, I was in Western Australia last March when things kicked off - the Government there limited alcohol to either two bottles of wine per day, a case of beer or a bottle of spirits!!!

    So we can limit the amount of paracetamol bought but not alcohol.


  • #3394
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    So we can limit the amount of paracetamol bought but not alcohol.

    Did lockdown 1 succeed? yes
    Was alcoholic curtailed during Lock down 1? No
    Is curtailment of alcohol necessary for reducing Covid cases? No.


  • #3395
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    D.Q wrote: »
    This sort of rhetoric shows your true intentions tbh

    I question everything, is something wrong with that? I have no agenda or bias one way or the other.


  • #3396
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    So we can limit the amount of paracetamol bought but not alcohol.

    You know you don’t even have to buy alcohol. There is however evidence that banning alcohol just creates a black market. Usually to the benefit of some very nasty people.


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  • #3397
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    People who are planning a pregnancy are being advised to wait at least 3 months after being vaccinated.

    People advised to hold off on trying for a baby for a period of time after getting Covid-19 vaccination

    It's more to do with not having enough clinical data to hand rather than any specific risk being known. It's a cautious, risk preventative move. Admittedly though I don't think people are aware that this advice is out there regarding pregnancies.

    I have heard it openly discussed on various radio interviews over the past two weeks or so - all perfectly reasonably explained, as you have done.

    I agree though that there might be a need for wider awareness, just to head off the developing conspiracy theory about keeping people in the dark - it is clearly included in the published data sheet for the vaccine.

    If anyone has any concerns, talk to a medic and avoid discussions on internet forums.


  • #3398
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    I question everything, is something wrong with that? I have no agenda or bias one way or the other.

    Do you remember the bird flu of several years ago? There was vaccines being offered to school children. My wife and I had concerns about it’s safety. So instead of asking on an Internet forum where no one maybe as they seem. We rang our family GP who we have known for years and trust and respect. We outlined our fears and asked his advice. I would suggest you do the same.


  • #3399
    Irishdude91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2 ✭Irishdude91


    Anyone know how long it takes once you are identified as a close contact and complete the online booking with your reference number before they text with an appointment?


  • #3400
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    IT issues strike again it seems

    Yes that seems likely

    Hopefully the IT system they're building for the vaccines won't run into issues


  • #3401
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Do you remember the bird flu of several years ago? There vaccines being offered to school children. My wife and I had concerns about it’s safety. So instead of asking on an Internet forum where no one maybe as they seem. We rang our family GP who we have known for years and trust and respect. We outlined our fears and asked his advice. I would suggest you do the same.

    Yeah you are 100% right, apologies for derailing the thread


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  • #3402
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Yeah you are 100% right, apologies for derailing the thread

    No bother, you’re right to be concerned. Best go to someone though who can give you the correct information you need to make an informed decision.


  • #3403
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    For many mental health is going to be a bigger struggle than the potential of Covid to their well being. It’s amazing so many dismiss the mental health aspect of this. Humans are a social creature and it is not normal to shut ourselves away from others but unfortunately necessary.

    And how do you think people with mental health issues in northern Italy felt in March when they could hear trucks removing the bodies from towns in the middle of the night. The mental health cost of letting the virus run unfettered will be far, far, far fùcking worse than the mental health cost of doing what it takes. In fact actually focussing on how this discomfort for you, protects others from the virus and you from the guilt of participating knowingly in it's spread, would actually be a help to the feelings of despair lockdowns can create.


  • #3404
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    growleaves wrote: »
    Many people, once they have families, settle down in the suburbs and only see friends every 6 months if that.

    They dislike their colleagues and boss and want to effectively retire with their little family unit.

    They typically fund their existence through a job which involves total obedience and expediency to bureaucratic directives. Government guidelines then become an extension of this.

    They have no reason to inquire whether a-historical trade embargoes and regulation of free movement is proportionate or justified for a routine virus outbreak - other people within the linked bureaucracy have already decided that they are.

    Cool story. As in a work of fiction. You invent group of sheep that is getting off on the covid restrictions to attack so you can feel like some sort of brave rebel who questions it all & knows the truth etc. but its a load of bollocks really!

    edit: As for a "routine virus outbreak", you must have too much excitement in your life. Lets all hope such outbreaks do not become routine in the coming years!


  • #3405
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    iguana wrote: »
    And how do you think people with mental health issues in northern Italy felt in March when they could hear trucks removing the bodies from towns in the middle of the night. The mental health cost of letting the virus run unfettered will be far, far, far fùcking worse than the mental health cost of doing what it takes. In fact actually focussing on how this discomfort for you, protects others from the virus and you from the guilt of participating knowingly in it's spread, would actually be a help to the feelings of despair lockdowns can create.

    I suggest you reread my post particularly the last part . No discomfort for me at all but thanks for the unfounded and baseless assumptions. I’m sure your post will receive the thanks you crave.


  • #3406
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Yes that seems likely

    Hopefully the IT system they're building for the vaccines won't run into issues

    Should be alright hopefully seeing as its new software & a completely new system.

    The HSE have had issues for years with legacy systems, badly in need of widespread upgrades and a centralised system.


  • #3407
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    I question everything, is something wrong with that? I have no agenda or bias one way or the other.

    you clearly don't though. i showed you earlier how easy it was to fact check what you posted. it took 10 seconds. you read some anti vac nonsense and didn't even attempt to fact check it.


  • #3408
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    66 of the 101 deaths this month from hospitals & nursing home outbreaks.
    Some information from the NPHET letter from the 28th
    https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1344625935153303552?s=19


  • #3409
    klose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,182 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Town is bedlam today, with the rate of infections etc it's not going to exactly help matters either.


  • #3410
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    2/3rds of deaths in December linked to outbreaks in nursing homes and hospitals according to the CMO

    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/two-thirds-of-covid-deaths-in-december-linked-to-outbreaks-in-hospitals-and-nursing-homes-39917924.html to the CMO

    Vaccinating these locations might make a huge difference


  • #3411
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I suggest you reread my post particularly the last part . No discomfort for me at all but thanks for the unfounded and baseless assumptions. I’m sure your post will receive the thanks you crave.

    I can see you accept it's necessary but I take issue with the problem being posed as, protect people from the virus but sacrifice other people's mental wellbeing. When the reality is, that yes lockdowns are shït for most people's mental health, but the alternative is unfortunately even worse for mental health outcomes. There is no good path to choose here, there is only varying levels of bad paths and the best outcome is if we choose the least worst.


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  • #3412
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    klose wrote: »
    Town is bedlam today, with the rate of infections etc it's not going to exactly help matters either.

    You can see on Google maps that dundrum shopping centre is teeming with people and viruses again today


  • #3413
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    iguana wrote: »
    I can see you accept it's necessary but I take issue with the problem being posed as, protect people from the virus but sacrifice other people's mental wellbeing. When the reality is, that yes lockdowns are shït for most people's mental health, but the alternative is unfortunately even worse for mental health outcomes. There is no good path to choose here, there is only varying levels of bad paths and the best outcome is if we choose the least worst.
    I had no issue with your post other than you desire to make your response so personal and make assumptions about me when you don’t know me.


  • #3414
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Mental health is going to be the major issue later this year. People are in a holding pattern right now, like they have been for nine months. Just keeping going. A constant state of distraction.

    It's when normality begins to return and the distractions gone that the real struggles will begin.

    I suspect when the data is crunched we will find suicide rates historically low in 2020 followed by a spike in 2021/22.

    We should be preparing for it now. Planning for dedicated emergency mental health facilities staffed 24/7. We won't though.


  • #3415
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    seamus wrote: »
    Mental health is going to be the major issue later this year. People are in a holding pattern right now, like they have been for nine months. Just keeping going. A constant state of distraction.

    It's when normality begins to return and the distractions gone that the real struggles will begin.

    I suspect when the data is crunched we will find suicide rates historically low in 2020 followed by a spike in 2021/22.

    We should be preparing for it now. Planning for dedicated emergency mental health facilities staffed 24/7. We won't though.

    Surely it can only be a desire for a pint that is causing issues, well it seems to be the overriding claim here.
    Seriously I agree you and I don’t think our mental health services will be up to the task. They haven’t in the past.


  • #3416
    antodeco
    Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Blanch and Liffey valley are madness also. Borderline "normal". We really have no hope


  • #3417
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    "Losing a year of their life" "Solitary confinement"

    :rolleyes:

    I am getting older and unsane. There was a time when i used to fly outside Ireland every other week :pac:


  • #3418
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    antodeco wrote: »
    Blanch and Liffey valley are madness also. Borderline "normal". We really have no hope

    You went to both?


  • #3419
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    fly_agaric wrote: »
    Cool story. As in a work of fiction. You invent group of sheep that is getting off on the covid restrictions to attack so you can feel like some sort of brave rebel who questions it all & knows the truth etc. but its a load of bollocks really!

    edit: As for a "routine virus outbreak", you must have too much excitement in your life. Lets all hope such outbreaks do not become routine in the coming years!

    Wrong. I disagree with forced social isolation which is wrong, I'm not trying to be a "brave rebel". Anyone has access to the truth which us staring them in the face.

    It would be a lot easier for me to endure the restrictions if I thought that they were justified but I don't.


  • #3420
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    antodeco wrote: »
    Blanch and Liffey valley are madness also. Borderline "normal". We really have no hope
    Last day fever and we do have hope, because it won't repeated for at least another month!


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  • #3421
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    froog wrote: »
    you clearly don't though. i showed you earlier how easy it was to fact check what you posted. it took 10 seconds. you read some anti vac nonsense and didn't even attempt to fact check it.

    Ive already apologized for derailing, i was concerned and looking for some other opinions, drop it


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