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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #3362
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The correct mantra.
    A mantra is a personal motivator or belief - not a universal truth.


  • #3363
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    growleaves wrote: »
    Many people who are worried about their personal survival need to find a way to survive amidst these lockdowns, and the disease is an afterthought.

    Hence people risking €10,000 fines to dodge the authorities in Switzerland.

    I don’t agree with what the British tourists did in Switzerland but I can understand the desire of families not to be confined to a small room for 14 days but you have to question the intellect of those that put themselves in that situation in the first place.


  • #3364
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Rocco Tart Cheek wrote: »
    ISAG zoom meeting on going. Seems like SocDems have backed their plan to get us out of rolling lockdowns. Hopefully puts more pressure on government and on NI to work together to get us back to normal by summer. Claims on the zoom that we'll have 1-2 more lockdowns in '21 until Autumn when vaccines should have had an impact
    Well if the Soc Dems have said it must be the right way to go. It's still a party of two!


  • #3365
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Looks like there's a backlog building alright https://twitter.com/Mark_Coughlan/status/1344607731962015746?s=19

    Heard someone on the radio earlier,could of been Paul Reid,but I am open to correction that the number of cases today could be double yesterday's figures


  • #3366
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I don’t agree with what the British tourists did in Switzerland but I can understand the desire of families not to be confined to a small room for 14 days but you have to question the intellect of those that put themselves in that situation in the first place.

    Think it's about selfishness/privilege too. ''The rules don't apply to me'' in the first place attitude about travel and then about respecting authorities once they arrive.


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  • #3367
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Heard someone on the radio earlier,could of been Paul Reid,but I am open to correction that the number of cases today could be double yesterday's figures

    Considering the backlog of probably around 2k cases it could potentially be between 3.5k-4k


  • #3368
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Heard someone on the radio earlier,could of been Paul Reid,but I am open to correction that the number of cases today could be double yesterday's figures

    With growth rate and backlog guess that wouldn't be too surprising but fairly disheartening all the same. Hopefully next few weeks can bring cases down and let us return to some normality. Tis been a tough ole year


  • #3369
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I don’t agree with what the British tourists did in Switzerland but I can understand the desire of families not to be confined to a small room for 14 days but you have to question the intellect of those that put themselves in that situation in the first place.

    It was a 'retroactive' quarantine as far as I know.

    I wouldn't risk travelling myself, I cancelled my autumn holiday to Greece.

    What struck me about it though is that these huge fines aren't enough to dissuade people from dodging the covid prison-regime.

    What does that tell us? Well we already know that solitary confinement is considered a human rights abuse by many prisoners rights groups.


  • #3370
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    It's not harsh at all. A lot of people playing the "mental health" card for stuff that makes them feel unhappy. Amongst other things, I'm unhappy golf courses are closed (but understand why) but it's not affecting my mental health.

    Mentioning mental health in this way is insulting to people with genuine issues. It's a global pandemic, a once in a century event, we all have to suck it up and make sacrifices and realise there is no one to blame for this.

    I saw one poster say yesterday that they'd bet "they'll be pulling bodies out of the river" because of the latest lockdown. I thought that was particularly tasteless.

    Funny you should mention this because a guy jumped off a bridge into a river near me just last night.

    I hate to think how the suicide figures look this year.


  • #3371
    froog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    Herself showed me some part of the documentation for the phizer vaccine stating one should not have unprotected sex for up to 28 days after the second dose due to the risks of possible genetical abnormalities due to how the vaccine works with our RDNA.
    Is there any truth to this or is it pure social media/anti vaxxer fake news

    false.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vaccine-unprotected-sex/

    i literally fact checked that in 10 seconds. a quick google.


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  • #3372
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Heard someone on the radio earlier,could of been Paul Reid,but I am open to correction that the number of cases today could be double yesterday's figures

    Seems to be now 1600.

    Edit - noted rules on speculating on numbers.


  • #3373
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    growleaves wrote: »
    Induced isolation is considered a form of torture in most contexts.

    As for the mental health thing, does it only become bad when people start to go insane?

    So if people don't go insane then that makes it okay and the suffering that people do experience can be trivialised?

    Also did these older generations who suffered worse deny that they were suffering and claim that rationing and hiding in bomb shelters was a trivial matter?

    Most people aren't in induced isolation. They have other people to interact with. The government have taken measures to try and ensure no-one is left on their own (although I'm sure some people are).

    I've no doubt that there are people suffering anxiety, depression and stress because of this. It's the people shouting "mental health" even though their issue is that they just don't like the restrictions and the way they are restricting their lifestyle that undermine the genuine cases.

    I never mentioned any older generation.


  • #3374
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    The venn diagram of people who say why can’t you just stay home and not see people and those who are settled and already have families is a circle. Not too many single people jumping up and down at the thoughts of January and possibly February stuck inside with no company I can assure you.


  • #3375
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Think it's about selfishness/privilege too. ''The rules don't apply to me'' in the first place attitude about travel and then about respecting authorities once they arrive.

    There was an outbreak and lockdown after they arrived. I think it was stupid to travel in the first place, it was also stupid by the authorities to allow the resort open. I can understand the desire not to want to be confined to a small room for 14 days with your family and the pressure that would bring.


  • #3376
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    It's not harsh at all. A lot of people playing the "mental health" card for stuff that makes them feel unhappy. Amongst other things, I'm unhappy golf courses are closed (but understand why) but it's not affecting my mental health.

    Mentioning mental health in this way is insulting to people with genuine issues. It's a global pandemic, a once in a century event, we all have to suck it up and make sacrifices and realise there is no one to blame for this.

    I saw one poster say yesterday that they'd bet "they'll be pulling bodies out of the river" because of the latest lockdown. I thought that was particularly tasteless.

    The mental health card has been hijacked throughout this pandemic by bored or inconvenienced people who cant go to the pub the gym or a holiday - the usual lowest common denominator who were on here against masks and any restrictions.

    They are doing a huge disservice to the genuine people that have mental health issues - not that they care.


  • #3377
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    Briefing at 3 today

    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1344615800192303105?s=19


  • #3378
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Hard to "suck it up" if you're in your early twenties and you've lost a year of your adult life. You may be made for this but cope with other situations with more difficulty.
    If you need to see the mental effect look at how some people are posting here. The main mental factors are now anxiety and stress, which are very debilitating in their own ways. That may be wimpy stuff as your tough love post here suggests but they are part of life.

    No one is made for this and whether it's early 20s or any other age, this is hard. My own personal situation is a ****show that I won't get into here but it's prolonged by covid. If someone is genuinely suffering with anxiety/stress/depression, I have sympathy for them and hope they see/talk to someone. It's the people who are upset that their lifestyle has changed and are throwing around the mental health card because they're not quite as happy as before that I object to.


  • #3379
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Looks like there's a backlog building alright https://twitter.com/Mark_Coughlan/status/1344607731962015746?s=19

    IT issues strike again it seems


  • #3380
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    If i was 15 i might have found that funny

    Anyone over 15 would have enough critical thinking skills to do their own research before spreading false vaccine info about genetic mutations from unprotected sex.

    You'd assume anyone over 15 knows how to use google before attempting to spread misinformation under the guise of asking questions.


  • #3381
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    froog wrote: »
    false.

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vaccine-unprotected-sex/

    i literally fact checked that in 10 seconds. a quick google.

    And yet people are being told not to try for children after being vaccinated

    https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-vaccine-pregnancy-5300761-Dec2020/

    I don't know enough to give an educated answer but I've an uncle who is in pharmaceuticals and is telling me to wait for the Oxford vaccine as he is very worried about how the phizer one works on a DNA level.


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  • #3382
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    "Losing a year of their life" "Solitary confinement"

    :rolleyes:


  • #3383
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    kwestfan08 wrote: »
    The venn diagram of people who say why can’t you just stay home and not see people and those who are settled and already have families is a circle. Not too many single people jumping up and down at the thoughts of January and possibly February stuck inside with no company I can assure you.

    Spot on.

    Many people, once they have families, settle down in the suburbs and only see friends every 6 months if that.

    They dislike their colleagues and boss and want to effectively retire with their little family unit.

    They typically fund their existence through a job which involves total obedience and expediency to bureaucratic directives. Government guidelines then become an extension of this.

    They have no reason to inquire whether a-historical trade embargoes and regulation of free movement is proportionate or justified for a routine virus outbreak - other people within the linked bureaucracy have already decided that they are.


  • #3384
    tigger123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,593 ✭✭✭tigger123


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    And yet people are being told not to try for children after being vaccinated

    https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-vaccine-pregnancy-5300761-Dec2020/

    I don't know enough to give an educated answer but I've an uncle who is in pharmaceuticals and is telling me to wait for the Oxford vaccine as he is very worried about how the phizer one works on a DNA level.

    How many children have been conceived do you think directly after a person has been vaccinated? And how have those children gone on through their development?


  • #3385
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    The mental health card has been hijacked throughout this pandemic by bored or inconvenienced people who cant go to the pub the gym or a holiday - the usual lowest common denominator who were on here against masks and any restrictions.

    They are doing a huge disservice to the genuine people that have mental health issues - not that they care.

    A lot of business owners have played that card also, it's actually a really scummy thing to do and belittles those with actual mental health issues.


  • #3386
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    IT issues strike again it seems

    Ah yes the IT issues to scare the bleeding ****e out of us!!! Happy New Year


  • #3387
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    D.Q wrote: »
    Anyone over 15 would have enough critical thinking skills to do their own research before spreading false vaccine info about genetic mutations from unprotected sex.

    You'd assume anyone over 15 knows how to use google before attempting to spread misinformation under the guise of asking questions.

    I was genuinely asking a question as me and my wife are hoping to start for a child and are concerned with potential issues due to these vaccinations, i think that is a very valid concern in the current climate, im sure youd rather we all blindly accept what we are told though.


  • #3388
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    tigger123 wrote: »
    How many children have been conceived do you think directly after a person has been vaccinated? And how have those children gone on through their development?

    We don't know


  • #3389
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    I was genuinely asking a question as me and my wife are hoping to start for a child and are concerned with potential issues due to these vaccinations, i think that is a very valid concern in the current climate, im sure youd rather we all blindly accept what we are told though.

    Genuinely - discuss with your GP.


  • #3390
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Icyseanfitz wrote: »
    And yet people are being told not to try for children after being vaccinated

    https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-vaccine-pregnancy-5300761-Dec2020/

    I don't know enough to give an educated answer but I've an uncle who is in pharmaceuticals and is telling me to wait for the Oxford vaccine as he is very worried about how the phizer one works on a DNA level.

    Being told not to try for Children is common for any new pharmaceutical. That is just a precaution because the safety profile is not fully known yet. There is nothing to indicate
    Pregnancy should be a problem.

    As for your Uncle's concern. I have no idea what he is referring to by on a DNA level.


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  • #3391
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    "Losing a year of their life" "Solitary confinement"

    :rolleyes:

    Yes. There were reports in UK media of older people who lived for months and died in conditions of solitary confinement.

    In this thread we have had people saying they left their parent alone for over 7 months.

    This is more to do with the media-politicial-atmosphere of deep moral confusion than the letter of the law but it is still atrocious


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