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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Do what you need to do . I have already told you I won’t be dragging comments here from another thread.


    Because the comment doesn't exist.


    Admit you lied about something you are claiming i posted. Not so much fun when someone calls you on your bull****, eh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Can you link to this lower approval level. Up until Brexit the EMA was located in the UK so I can’t see the UK authorities suddenly going with a lower threshold. Even Dr Fauci respects the UK regulatory process.

    Firstly the U.K. until 11pm today are in the EU system. Secondly, the EMA is an EU agency that was located in the U.K. - they were never a U.K. agency.

    There are different levels of approval. The U.K. is granting emergency use approval which is permitted, while the EMA is seeking to give Conditional Marketing Approval which is a higher standard but requires ongoing monitoring.

    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-recommends-first-covid-19-vaccine-authorisation-eu


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    Is there any site for tracking vaccination numbers by EU country?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/QANDA_20_2390

    If you scroll down to this question you might find it interezting

    What are the main differences between the EU's Conditional Marketing Authorisation and the Emergency Use Authorisation issued by some other countries?

    A Conditional Marketing Authorisation (CMA) follows a controlled and robust framework providing safeguards that emergency use authorisations might not. In reality, an emergency use authorisation is not an authorisation of the vaccine but an authorisation of the temporary use of the unauthorised vaccine. The CMA ensures that all pharmacovigilance, manufacturing controls including batch controls for vaccines and other post-approval obligations apply in a legally binding manner and are evaluated by EMA's scientific committees on a continuous basis and a regulatory action can be taken, if necessary. Notably:

    It ensures a rigorous monitoring, through the EU pharmacovigilance system, of the safety of the medicine across the EU. Additionally, there may be special measures to collect and evaluate all new information rapidly emerging in order to meet the specific demands of the pandemic and mass vaccination.

    It ensures post-authorisation safety monitoring and allows the collection of additional data in a structured manner. A risk management plan (RMP) is implemented by the company as agreed before authorisation, forming an enforceable feature of the authorisation.

    Rigorous manufacturing including batch release for vaccines and distribution, are subject to the same ongoing controls as for all authorised medicines. The monitoring of the manufacturing processes ensures that the medicine is manufactured and controlled according to high pharmaceutical standards in the context of large scale commercialisation.

    That the medicine's conditions for use are presented in all EU languages in electronic form in the immediate instance.

    The provision of an investigation plan for future use of the medicine in children.

    These are essential elements to ensure a high level of protection for citizens during the course of a mass vaccination campaign and is a key component of EU Vaccine Strategy. All 27 EU Member States have formally signed up to the EU Vaccine Strategy proposed by the Commission in June, agreeing jointly to follow the conditional marketing authorisation procedure through the European Medicines Agency for COVID-19 vaccines. By following this route the safety, efficacy and quality of the vaccines will be thoroughly assessed and the trust of citizens will be safeguarded.

    An Emergency Use Authorisation (EUA) allows for the temporary use of a medicine under specific conditions as long as emergency circumstances apply. The medicine however remains unlicensed and cannot be put on the market, contrary to a (conditional) marketing authorisation.

    Whilst Emergency Use Authorisations are allowed under the EU pharmaceutical legislation, the use of a vaccine for which a Member State has issued such an authorisation is restricted to the authorising Member State only under its responsibility. Some third countries are also using similar procedures to allow the temporary emergency use of COVID-19 vaccines prior to authorisation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Firstly the U.K. until 11pm today are in the EU system. Secondly, the EMA is an EU agency that was located in the U.K. - they were never a U.K. agency.

    There are different levels of approval. The U.K. is granting emergency use approval which is permitted, while the EMA is seeking to give Conditional Marketing Approval which is a higher standard but requires ongoing monitoring.

    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-recommends-first-covid-19-vaccine-authorisation-eu
    I’m well aware the EMA is not a UK agency but given that the EMA was located in the UK there was a very close relationship between the two. I was questioning why the UK is taken a lower level of data to approve the vaccine. It was a question not an argument.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    growleaves wrote: »
    Calls for banning alcohol are fanatical, and supporters of prohibitionism are riding a wave of media-induced terror.

    Now that we are in a full Level 5 with everything halted (including some clearly near zero risk items), the media need a new agenda and focus in order to generate traffic to their platforms for the coming month. Articles relating to the rationing or prohibition of alcohol sales will work very nicely for that. Watch out for other gems such as curfews, reduction in the KM limit, limitations on number of outdoor trips per day, extensions to the lockdown, closure of click and collect, complete air travel bans, closure of the NI border, cyclists, joggers, COVID plume and so on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,812 ✭✭✭thelad95


    This might sound harsh but judging by the amount of people who cite "mental health reasons" for whatever blatant flouting of the restrictions they do, we must have a massive cohort of the population who have absolutely zero ability to manage or regulate their emotions, when all they are being asked to do is sit at home and relax. Rather worrying for the future.

    I'm also aware of the irony of me saying this on a coronavirus discussion forum but I think a lot of people need to get their heads out of their phones and the news channels, none of us are going to solve this by sitting at home ranting on our couch and it will only serve to bring you down to a very deep level of despair.

    I'm not saying to live in wilful ignorance, but make yourself a nice cup of tea, bury your head in a good book and plug in your phone in a different room.

    A lot of our grandparents had to suffer through a lot worse yet we apparently have a whole generation who can't sit down and find themselves good films/TV shows or some sort of home hobby given literally thousands of options at our fingertips, compared to previous generations.

    Also, our national broadcaster and the HSE as well as other print media have seriously let the nation down as well. The coverage given to this thing since March is very close to the definition of brainwashing people. Even going into a shop, they have messages over the tannoy reminding people of hand hygiene and distancing, I can only imagine the raging hard on this would give George Orwell.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Well that's an outright lie. I never claimed that at all.


    Care to point me to the post that i said that in?
    On the other thread. I ‘m not dragging comments from there into here.
    You didn't answer me.



    Show me the post where i made the claim that you are alledging. I've already reported you to the mods but i won't have my reputation dragged through the mud by the likes of you.
    Do what you need to do . I have already told you I won’t be dragging comments here from another thread.
    Because the comment doesn't exist.


    Admit you lied about something you are claiming i posted. Not so much fun when someone calls you on your bull****, eh?

    Mod:

    Let it go both of you, take it to PM if it's that important


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Don't argue with me on thread oldtimeyfella, report posts you have an issue with and we'll take a look at them


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    thelad95 wrote: »
    This might sound harsh but judging by the amount of people who cite "mental health reasons" for whatever blatant flouting of the restrictions they do, we must have a massive cohort of the population who have absolutely zero ability to manage or regulate their emotions, when all they are being asked to do is sit at home and relax. Rather worrying for the future.

    I'm also aware of the irony of me saying this on a coronavirus discussion forum but I think a lot of people need to get their heads out of their phones and the news channels, none of us are going to solve this by sitting at home ranting on our couch and it will only serve to bring you down to a very deep level of despair.

    I'm not saying to live in wilful ignorance, but make yourself a nice cup of tea, bury your head in a good book and plug in your phone in a different room.

    A lot of our grandparents had to suffer through a lot worse yet we apparently have a whole generation who can't sit down and find themselves good films/TV shows or some sort of home hobby given literally thousands of options at our fingertips, compared to previous generations.

    Also, our national broadcaster and the HSE as well as other print media have seriously let the nation down as well. The coverage given to this thing since March is very close to the definition of brainwashing people. Even going into a shop, they have messages over the tannoy reminding people of hand hygiene and distancing, I can only imagine the raging hard on this would give George Orwell.

    A lot of good points here alright. Found myself mindlessly hopping between twitter, boards, IT and the guardian las night til about 1/2 am on the phone in bed.

    Haven't done that since the very early days. It's a rabbit hole that never ends.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Herself showed me some part of the documentation for the phizer vaccine stating one should not have unprotected sex for up to 28 days after the second dose due to the risks of possible genetical abnormalities due to how the vaccine works with our RDNA.
    Is there any truth to this or is it pure social media/anti vaxxer fake news


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Necro wrote: »
    Don't argue with me on thread oldtimeyfella, report posts you have an issue with and we'll take a look at them


    Are all the other mods ok with people lying about other posters to discredit them or is it just you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    thelad95,

    I think people are seriously underestimating the difficulty of being barricaded indoors, alone, on and off for 10 or more months.

    I think that older Irish generations faced more danger but not necessarily worse spiritually and mentally unless we are going back very far to at the 19th century and before.

    War-time rationing was a struggle no doubt but it didn't entail the separation of families.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,153 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Looks like there's a backlog building alright https://twitter.com/Mark_Coughlan/status/1344607731962015746?s=19


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,643 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    Herself showed me some part of the documentation for the phizer vaccine stating one should not have unprotected sex for up to 28 days after the second dose due to the risks of possible genetical abnormalities due to how the vaccine works with our RDNA.
    Is there any truth to this or is it pure social media/anti vaxxer fake news

    Good lord, i hope that's fake news!!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Are all the other mods ok with people lying about other posters to discredit them or is it just you?

    I think you got good advice.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,669 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar


    Herself showed me some part of the documentation for the phizer vaccine stating one should not have unprotected sex for up to 28 days after the second dose due to the risks of possible genetical abnormalities due to how the vaccine works with our RDNA.
    Is there any truth to this or is it pure social media/anti vaxxer fake news

    People who are planning a pregnancy are being advised to wait at least 3 months after being vaccinated.

    People advised to hold off on trying for a baby for a period of time after getting Covid-19 vaccination

    It's more to do with not having enough clinical data to hand rather than any specific risk being known. It's a cautious, risk preventative move. Admittedly though I don't think people are aware that this advice is out there regarding pregnancies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    thelad95 wrote: »
    This might sound harsh but judging by the amount of people who cite "mental health reasons" for whatever blatant flouting of the restrictions they do, we must have a massive cohort of the population who have absolutely zero ability to manage or regulate their emotions, when all they are being asked to do is sit at home and relax. Rather worrying for the future.

    I'm also aware of the irony of me saying this on a coronavirus discussion forum but I think a lot of people need to get their heads out of their phones and the news channels, none of us are going to solve this by sitting at home ranting on our couch and it will only serve to bring you down to a very deep level of despair.

    I'm not saying to live in wilful ignorance, but make yourself a nice cup of tea, bury your head in a good book and plug in your phone in a different room.

    A lot of our grandparents had to suffer through a lot worse yet we apparently have a whole generation who can't sit down and find themselves good films/TV shows or some sort of home hobby given literally thousands of options at our fingertips, compared to previous generations.

    Also, our national broadcaster and the HSE as well as other print media have seriously let the nation down as well. The coverage given to this thing since March is very close to the definition of brainwashing people. Even going into a shop, they have messages over the tannoy reminding people of hand hygiene and distancing, I can only imagine the raging hard on this would give George Orwell.

    It's not harsh at all. A lot of people playing the "mental health" card for stuff that makes them feel unhappy. Amongst other things, I'm unhappy golf courses are closed (but understand why) but it's not affecting my mental health.

    Mentioning mental health in this way is insulting to people with genuine issues. It's a global pandemic, a once in a century event, we all have to suck it up and make sacrifices and realise there is no one to blame for this.

    I saw one poster say yesterday that they'd bet "they'll be pulling bodies out of the river" because of the latest lockdown. I thought that was particularly tasteless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    People who are planning a pregnancy are being advised to wait at least 3 months after being vaccinated.

    People advised to hold off on trying for a baby for a period of time after getting Covid-19 vaccination

    It's more to do with not having enough clinical data to hand rather than any specific risk being known. It's a cautious, risk preventative move. Admittedly though I don't think people are aware that this advice is out there regarding pregnancies.

    If their warning its because they believe theres a possible problem imo, isn't this the first vaccine that manipulates our rDNA to this degree?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    growleaves wrote: »
    thelad95,

    I think people are seriously underestimating the difficulty of being barricaded indoors, alone, on and off for 10 or more months.

    I think that older Irish generations faced more danger but not necessarily worse spiritually and mentally unless we are going back very far to at the 19th century and before.

    War-time rationing was a struggle no doubt but it didn't entail the separation of families.

    For many mental health is going to be a bigger struggle than the potential of Covid to their well being. It’s amazing so many dismiss the mental health aspect of this. Humans are a social creature and it is not normal to shut ourselves away from others but unfortunately necessary.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,343 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Are all the other mods ok with people lying about other posters to discredit them or is it just you?

    Mod:

    You were given a simple instruction, and you refused to listen

    Don't post in this thread again


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Considering there is a small cohort of people on this thread he is repeating the same mantra to the same people day in day out. This forum does not have have the widespread public appeal that you think it may have.

    The correct mantra.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Herself showed me some part of the documentation for the phizer vaccine stating one should not have unprotected sex for up to 28 days after the second dose due to the risks of possible genetical abnormalities due to how the vaccine works with our RDNA.
    Is there any truth to this or is it pure social media/anti vaxxer fake news

    sounds like she wants you to wear a condom mate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The correct mantra.

    Do you think it’s false, rural isolation was always a problem. Do you think the present situation will improve the lot of those who suffered from this long before Covid? Do you believe mental health is not an issue, something which to be dismissed as ‘sure they only want a pint’?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    It's not harsh at all. A lot of people playing the "mental health" card for stuff that makes them feel unhappy. Amongst other things, I'm unhappy golf courses are closed (but understand why) but it's not affecting my mental health.

    Mentioning mental health in this way is insulting to people with genuine issues. It's a global pandemic, a once in a century event, we all have to suck it up and make sacrifices and realise there is no one to blame for this.

    I saw one poster say yesterday that they'd bet "they'll be pulling bodies out of the river" because of the latest lockdown. I thought that was particularly tasteless.

    Induced isolation is considered a form of torture in most contexts.

    As for the mental health thing, does it only become bad when people start to go insane?

    So if people don't go insane then that makes it okay and the suffering that people do experience can be trivialised?

    Also did these older generations who suffered worse deny that they were suffering and claim that rationing and hiding in bomb shelters was a trivial matter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 492 ✭✭ax530


    For many mental health is going to be a bigger struggle than the potential of Covid to their well being. It’s amazing so many dismiss the mental health aspect of this. Humans are a social creature and it is not normal to shut ourselves away from others but unfortunately necessary.
    I think the additional issues this time around will be due to groups who do not follow the guidelines.
    Already today I have been speaking to someone who knows an extended family meeting up for NY ect .... of course they have been doign this all along and have been fine (one is a nurse so they know more than us non medical fearful news watchers). Now she questioning why her own family wont visit ect when 'everyone' else is. So the isolation was managable when everyone else was isolating however now they feel that they are the only ones sticking to the guidelines and why this is caucing issues within families


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    DeanAustin wrote: »
    It's not harsh at all. A lot of people playing the "mental health" card for stuff that makes them feel unhappy. Amongst other things, I'm unhappy golf courses are closed (but understand why) but it's not affecting my mental health.

    Mentioning mental health in this way is insulting to people with genuine issues. It's a global pandemic, a once in a century event, we all have to suck it up and make sacrifices and realise there is no one to blame for this.

    I saw one poster say yesterday that they'd bet "they'll be pulling bodies out of the river" because of the latest lockdown. I thought that was particularly tasteless.
    Hard to "suck it up" if you're in your early twenties and you've lost a year of your adult life. You may be made for this but cope with other situations with more difficulty.
    If you need to see the mental effect look at how some people are posting here. The main mental factors are now anxiety and stress, which are very debilitating in their own ways. That may be wimpy stuff as your tough love post here suggests but they are part of life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,532 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    D.Q wrote: »
    sounds like she wants you to wear a condom mate.

    If i was 15 i might have found that funny


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    For many mental health is going to be a bigger struggle than the potential of Covid to their well being. It’s amazing so many dismiss the mental health aspect of this. Humans are a social creature and it is not normal to shut ourselves away from others but unfortunately necessary.

    Many people who are worried about their personal survival need to find a way to survive amidst these lockdowns, and the disease is an afterthought.

    Hence people risking €10,000 fines to dodge the authorities in Switzerland.


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