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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #3122
    [Deleted User]
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    jams100 wrote: »
    Where do these restrictions end?
    What if the virus mutates and the vaccine become ineffective? (I know its highly unlikely). How long do people think we can go on like this? Another 6 months, 12 months? I have the feeling some people would do this forever...
    Personally I feel I have a very low quality of life right now and I know, i know people are dying...I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling like this

    I know its unlikely that we will not be out of this soon, given the vaccine rollout. Thank God. This will be the last lockdown (albeit maybe a couple of months)

    But I do think it is interesting to consider what we would be doing now if there were no vaccine on the horizon.....or maybe scientists saying 2023 for a vaccine. We couldn't lockdown and off like this for that long. I actually think that this summer (when rates are naturally lower and easier to suppress) we would be forced into a zero COVID strategy, with everything that that entails re borders and quarantines (and no need to remind me....I know what the issues are). Have been 100% against it to this point, but if this were to be the situation for 2 or 3 years I genuinely think that we would have no choice


  • #3123
    MOR316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,243 ✭✭✭MOR316


    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    "The science"?

    or head of on a ****ty package holiday to Santa Del Bollocks.

    Can't imagine that being too good for picking up women tbf


  • #3124
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Still on about Matt fvcking Damon on the RTE news. Just when day couldn't get worse.

    RTE basically property pumping their own backyard on the main news

    Surreal


  • #3125
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    "The science"?


    People on twitter and Facebook aren't giving you sound scientific advice.



    Expert upon expert in pandemdics and infectious diseases providing guidelines and information to every government in the world but some lad on the internet knows better because he's scared and wants things to go back to normal so he can go to the pub or head of on a ****ty package holiday to Santa Del Bollocks.

    1) All around the world the evidence is that children, while suffering less severe symptoms from Covid 19, are just as capable of transmitting the virus as adults. They are more likely to be asymptomatic meaning they do not register as much as adults in testing, however they transmit the virus around the community just as much. Keeping schools open is a completely anti-science position.

    2) Borders. All around the world the scientific advice is to stop movement and stop transmission. Ireland has closed no borders and keeps allowing people in and out. That is a completely anti-scientific position and one of the primary factors why cases cannot be managed.

    3) Enforcement. Relying on people to simply out of their own free will wear masks or maintain social distancing or not gather for parties - and when they don't punish everyone else for it - rather than going all out head-to-pavement crackdown means that the rules will continue being breached. This is very straight forward.

    Next would you like a lecture on why 1+1 = 2 or do you believe that is also a Facebook conspiracy?


  • #3126
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    https://twitter.com/LouiseCrowley2/status/1344346891908165633?s=20
    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I know we talk a lot about statistics on here a lot. The problem with really big numbers is there are some seriously horrific outcomes for some people. AKA statistics.

    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Anyone else find it strange that she was tweeting away about all sorts of topics while in hospital such was the severity of her illness?

    Not suggesting she is lying or anything but couldn't imagine having the energy or interest in tweeting while suffering and on oxygen.
    khalessi wrote: »
    Depends on what her oxygen levels were. Hospital days are long and if she is eating she can tweet.

    A tad strange indeed. She appears to have been quite the regular tweeter during her "There are no words to describe how awful my experience was. I’m home but restricted, can’t walk and on 24/7 oxygen." Including happily talking about the publication of a document while she was in hospital just a couple of days going by the 50 days she refers to.

    But narsicissm and covid go well together as we saw with Claire Byrne and Dr Ciara.


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  • #3127
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    The_Brood wrote: »
    1) All around the world the evidence is that children, while suffering less severe symptoms from Covid 19, are just as capable of transmitting the virus as adults. They are more likely to be asymptomatic meaning they do not register as much as adults in testing, however they transmit the virus around the community just as much. Keeping schools open is a completely anti-science position.

    2) Borders. All around the world the scientific advice is to stop movement and stop transmission. Ireland has closed no borders and keeps allowing people in and out. That is a completely anti-scientific position and one of the primary factors why cases cannot be managed.

    3) Enforcement. Relying on people to simply out of their own free will wear masks or maintain social distancing or not gather for parties - and when they don't punish everyone else for it - rather than going all out head-to-pavement crackdown means that the rules will continue being breached. This is very straight forward.

    Next would you like a lecture on why 1+1 = 2 or do you believe that is also a Facebook conspiracy?

    1. The evidence is that children are more likely to suffer milder symptoms, not that they are more likely to be asymptomatic than under 60s

    The rest is politics, not science


  • #3128
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    WhiteMemento9 wrote: »
    Why are you suggesting we target people on social welfare payments? Surely if you had a system like this then a fine for anyone caught would be the way to go. Do you have some belief that people on this payment are more disposed to this kind of carry on?

    A fine would also work, bottom line is that I don't care how the sanction is funded, the object of the exercise is to try and get the attention of a large cohort of people that have demonstrated an overwhelming ability to stick 2 fingers in the air at any attempt to get this feckin pandemic under control.

    If a fine will work, then levy it, and make it one that hurts, the urgent requirement is for a sanction that works against as many people as possible and gets the attention of the people that are being thick about obeying the rules.


    Bottom line, we need an effective sanction against people breaking house party rules that hurts, and is enforced.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #3129
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Congratulations on the engagement

    Your housemate is a bellend, it's these muppets that are rising cases keeping lockdown level 5, can we all just follow the rules for a few weeks, keep everyone safe and alive, stay at home alone

    Problem here is it’s “just two” mates coming over and in all likelihood, nothing will come of it. But if everyone did it, covid keeps spreading. The fact that nothing comes of it will likely just enforce people’s own confirmation bias that it’s grand. And therein lies the issue with decreasing buy-in for lockdowns unfortunately.


  • #3130
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Anyone watching Callan Kicks the year on RTE 1. Summing up the year very well.


  • #3131
    oldtimeyfella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/LouiseCrowley2/status/1344346891908165633?s=20








    A tad strange indeed. She appears to have been quite the regular tweeter during her "There are no words to describe how awful my experience was. I’m home but restricted, can’t walk and on 24/7 oxygen." Including happily talking about the publication of a document while she was in hospital just a couple of days going by the 50 days she refers to.

    But narsicissm and covid go well together as we saw with Claire Byrne and Dr Ciara.


    What does a law lecturer have to gain by being in on the COVID HOAX!111!!! in your mind?


    Why do you think she is lying?


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  • #3132
    oldtimeyfella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Anyone watching Callan Kicks the year on RTE 1. Summing up the year very well.


    Is that because it is also ****e?


  • #3133
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Deleted User wrote: »
    1. The evidence is that children are more likely to suffer milder symptoms, not that they are more likely to be asymptomatic than under 60s

    The rest is politics, not science

    When they are suffering milder symptoms, they are not tested as much. When they adults are tested more, more adults are registered with covid 19 than children. It really is not that difficult.

    And what do you mean borders is politics and not science? Either we have a life-threatening virus that needs to trump any and all other considerations....or we do not. If this virus is not serious enough to close down the borders completely regardless of which political treaty it affects or not, how is that serious to close down virtually all of life? Choose one, you can't have both.


  • #3134
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    HSE operations report 30/12 as of 8pm

    Covid cases hospitalised 466 - increase from 424.

    ICU confirmed Covid cases 39 - increase from 34
    0 deaths in ICUs last 24 hours
    Confirmed Covid cases ventilated 20 - increase from 19
    Available ICU beds 43


  • #3135
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    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    Is that because it is also ****e?

    Ah now, RTÉ has a long proud history of success in its comedy output


  • #3136
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    AdamD wrote: »
    He can, if the beach isn't empty, he can just go somewhere else. Do you need the government to hold your hand throughout every decision of your day?

    Getting angry at people going to excercise outdoors because its > 5km from their home is utterly mental.

    It certainly seems like some people need chaperones alright.


  • #3137
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭fits


    John Bishop has it too

    https://twitter.com/johnbishop100/status/1344291662542082050?s=21


  • #3138
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,047 ✭✭✭✭fits


    And George Monbiot

    https://twitter.com/georgemonbiot/status/1344231340779180032?s=21


  • #3139
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    lawred2 wrote: »
    To be honest, the 5km thing is a bit of a nonsense. It's too much a radius in many cities and too small a radius in the countryside.

    5km might mean nothing but empty country roads for someone. With a near zero population density.

    Whereas for me in North Dublin, it's a myriad of popular parks and beaches and a much higher population density.

    What's your suggestion?
    Personalized exercise areas maybe?


  • #3140
    oldtimeyfella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Ah now, RTÉ has a long proud history of success in its comedy output


    Wigs, ****e impressions and shouting aren't comedy.


  • #3141
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    Wigs, ****e impressions and shouting aren't comedy.

    Maybe you missed the sarcasm or maybe I’m a leave it to misses O’Brien fan


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  • #3142
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    majcos wrote: »
    HSE operations report 30/12 as of 8pm

    Covid cases hospitalised 466 - increase from 424.

    ICU confirmed Covid cases 39 - increase from 34
    0 deaths in ICUs last 24 hours
    Confirmed Covid cases ventilated 20 - increase from 19
    Available ICU beds 43

    Looks like issues in vincents based on the current numbers.


  • #3143
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I don’t mock or disparage people, but last time I checked, this was a free country and people are allow to debate the merits of the restrictions, NPHET’s approach, the behaviour of our media and what sort of job Ireland is doing behind the media hype.

    What country do you think has handled it better than Ireland?


  • #3144
    octsol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭octsol


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Looks like issues in vincents based on the current numbers.

    Not as high as i thought they'd be


  • #3145
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    majcos wrote: »
    HSE operations report 30/12 as of 8pm

    Covid cases hospitalised 466 - increase from 424.

    ICU confirmed Covid cases 39 - increase from 34
    0 deaths in ICUs last 24 hours
    Confirmed Covid cases ventilated 20 - increase from 19
    Available ICU beds 43

    We had a similar number on the 28th of March

    Our highest number of hospitalised cases since the 14th of May


  • #3146
    omerin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭omerin


    Now on CNN they are hammering Trump and his admin for injecting only 2.6m people (they have over 12m doses), equivilant of about 35k here. Christ almighty we are so far behind we still in the changing rooms looking at our nice shiny kit. Shameful we waited and wasted weeks while the eurocrats ticked a box and while the vaccine stayed in coolers in Pfizer, a planning and logistics shambles i would equate to Hitler's decision to invade Russia in the winter. We should be vacinating morning noon and night and 40k per week delivery is pathetic.

    Why are the hard questions not been asked of the politicians, hse and regulators


  • #3147
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    They are trying to be safe bs

    If thing isnt safe we wont find out anytime soon.

    Pathetic, all our delivery should be in people by now

    The fact it isnt is a failure


  • #3148
    Duke of Url
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭Duke of Url


    I’m all for the Lockdowns to try and control the situation.

    But....

    With the Government holding the Public responsible for the increased positive rates, hospitalisations and ICU increases, it’s now time for the Government to publish their daily vaccination doses implemented.

    They need to start taking the responsibility here and inform the public. So far I’ve only seen excuses.


  • #3149
    majcos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 596 ✭✭✭majcos


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Looks like issues in vincents based on the current numbers.
    Not sure. Harder to be spot those trends in Dublin. St. Vincent’s numbers have increased from 30 to 33 to 39. Not as steep a rise as seen in Mayo with a smaller catchment area and lower county incidence rate. You could be right but less obvious than what saw with Castlebar yesterday. It only takes two connected patients/staff suspected to have contracted it from each other to constitute an outbreak.

    Dublin’s 14 day incidence rate is for whole county rather than tied to one hospital in one county. Not as straightforward to predict numbers expected in individual Dublin hospitals as multiple hospitals with different surrounding incidence rates in their catchment area for each of those hospitals and with a far greater population than other counties.

    St. Vincent's catchment area over 300,000
    Dublin’s 14 day incidence rate per 100,000 of 291.8
    Estimated hospitalization of 5%
    Average length of stay of 17.7 days


  • #3150
    oldtimeyfella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Duke of Url wrote: »
    I’m all for the Lockdowns to try and control the situation.

    But....

    With the Government holding the Public responsible for the increased positive rates, hospitalisations and ICU increases, it’s now time for the Government to publish their daily vaccination doses implemented.

    They need to start taking the responsibility here and inform the public. So far I’ve only seen excuses.


    To be fair, they are limited by how many doses of the vaccine that they can get their hands on. It is being touted as a magic wand to end covid in the next couple of months but realistically it will be the end of next year before things are "normal".



    People are responisble for their behaviour to stop the spread of the virus until then. The mere fact that a vacinne exists doesn't mean that things go back to how they were. We are where we are right now because people got it into their head that this was all going to be over in Jan/Feb so they just sort of gave up.


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  • #3151
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,897 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    jams100 wrote: »
    Where do these restrictions end?
    What if the virus mutates and the vaccine become ineffective? (I know its highly unlikely). How long do people think we can go on like this? Another 6 months, 12 months? I have the feeling some people would do this forever...
    Personally I feel I have a very low quality of life right now and I know, i know people are dying...I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling like this

    Thing is it is very likely it will mutate and eventually the present vaccines won't work for it anymore.
    That is why flu vaccines have to be adjusted to common strains every year, and so it is probable if not certain to be the same with these vaccines.
    T cell immunity may protect people for longer , but nobody can give you an answer yet for definite .
    It certainly will be a better quality of life for everyone if a majority take the vaccine though and restrictions could be eased / stopped indefinitely then .


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