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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #2882
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    prunudo wrote: »
    Thank you, wasn't sure if the post would get lost among all the others.

    So folllowing from that, are they included in the daily hospitalisation figures.

    I don't think they include numbers from others. the number we get in the briefings seem to be only from acutes so god knows what is happening in the others.

    Food for thought.


  • #2883
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    GreeBo wrote: »
    If nothing goes wrong and the beach is indeed empty then it's fine, but unless you are omnipotent you can't control any of the things I mentioned, so why risk it?

    Who do you think the restrictions apply to if not to you?

    He can, if the beach isn't empty, he can just go somewhere else. Do you need the government to hold your hand throughout every decision of your day?

    Getting angry at people going to excercise outdoors because its > 5km from their home is utterly mental.


  • #2884
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,584 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Allinall wrote: »
    What about all the hundreds of other people that go on their own?

    On their own.......
    You do know you have to come into contact with someone to catch it?

    You are more likely to catch it in a supermarket or shop or garage than an open beach.


  • #2885
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Arghus wrote: »
    The government was told, clearly, not to open hospitality and relax rules on house visits. They went ahead and did it. They deserve criticism.

    They were warned and they went against what they were warned about - and not for the first time.

    Government has a raft of other considerations, but when the public health crisis becomes so acute you are forced to put everything to one side to deal with it.

    Lives and livelihoods.

    There were important economic considerations - the problems were seeded because people were doing both before they were allowed to do both.


  • #2886
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Have you ever heard of thing called common sense?

    Given what’s happened since December 1st, it would appear that common sense has been lacking in quite a number of people tbh.


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  • #2887
    GiftofGab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,494 ✭✭✭GiftofGab


    So hotels are open and can serve beer for business purposes (not for leisure)??


  • #2888
    Scoondal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Why even say what your intentions are, surely you could guess the responses you would receive before you hit send?

    I am hoping for coomon sense replies.


  • #2889
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Allinall wrote: »
    What about all the hundreds of other people that go on their own?
    Hundreds! In that cold? Outside is a way lower risk and as long as they distance there is no issue at all.


  • #2890
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,282 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I said this here last night but what do you expect them to say - it's ok if you travel more than 5km if you're going to a deserted beach or mountain, that's fine, just explain that to the Garda checkpoint.
    Do you not see how this could lead to people taking all kinds of liberties to go places if they have more and more excuses?
    Like seriously, duhhhhhh...


  • #2891
    JeffKenna
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,636 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    MOR316 wrote: »
    Hold on a minute! Don't patronise me!

    I have adhered to all restrictions from the moment this happened back in March! I have had no close contacts and never put myself in a position to contract the virus. Can I say the same for you? Going by some of your posts, I don't think so

    I am making the point if someone, like myself, who travels alone, who is never around anyone, goes for a walk along the sea, how the hell can they spread it or contract it when they have never came in contact with anyone?

    Think before you post! The fall off your high horse is a painful one

    Everyone can make an argument (correctly or incorrectly) why restrictions shouldn't apply to them. If everyone decided that restrictions don't apply to them then what's the point in even having them? It's human nature to cherry pick the restriction we don't like and convince ourselves we're not doing any harm by ignoring it.


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  • #2892
    oldtimeyfella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Have you ever heard of a thing called common sense?


    What car do you drive that the tank of petrol is going to stay full for the next month while you drive outside your 5km limit for your little jaunts up the mountain/on the beach?



    Will you be turning around if the car park is busy when you arrive?


  • #2893
    [Deleted User]
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    hmmm wrote: »
    There's a lot worse they could be doing. Going for a walk up a mountain (or let's say a forest path) is one of the safest things to be doing, and good for your mental and physical health. No-one realistically can stay inside their homes for weeks on end, and we achieve a lot of harm reduction by steering people away from risky behaviours towards less-risky behaviours.

    But I hope that when this is over they all go back to the pub or the shops or whatever it is that they did before!


  • #2894
    Denny61
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 869 ✭✭✭Denny61


    Are ye all clowns on here. If one person decides to go on a hike 10km.and he would not meet any one to spread anything .ok but what if a thousand people on the same day took on that attitude and all set off only to end up asa large group of people within close proximity..so wake up ye fools and stay at home


  • #2895
    rob316
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,670 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Essential retail list, click and collect available. Many will be able to operate

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1344346931250819075?s=19

    It's back to November so.


  • #2896
    Scoondal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 883 ✭✭✭Scoondal


    GiftofGab wrote: »
    So hotels are open and can serve beer for business purposes (not for leisure)??

    Of course. Business people don't get covid19. Essential workers or schools don't get covid19. Get with the propaganda. F sake.


  • #2897
    lulublue22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,496 ✭✭✭lulublue22


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Where’s the data to show schools are a risk?

    well NPHET have obviously indicated it’s necessary - if you know something they don’t you really should enlighten them.


  • #2898
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,750 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    To be honest, the 5km thing is a bit of a nonsense. It's too much a radius in many cities and too small a radius in the countryside.

    5km might mean nothing but empty country roads for someone. With a near zero population density.

    Whereas for me in North Dublin, it's a myriad of popular parks and beaches and a much higher population density.


  • #2899
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,019 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    walshtipp wrote: »
    Is the 5km travel limit coming in tonight or tomorrow night?

    Midnight tonight.


  • #2900
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Yeah that’s crazy alright.
    Lots of northern builders around builders doing a lot of inter county travel working in close confines to each other.
    Not great for stopping spread.

    I heard on here from someone who works in a service station that a lot of builders say they don't wear masks in petrol stations because they have asthma. That in itself is a hidden public health crisis and should be looked at....never mind the covid.


  • #2901
    [Deleted User]
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    Denny61 wrote: »
    Are ye all clowns on here. If one person decides to go on a hike 10km.and he would not meet any one to spread anything .ok but what if a thousand people on the same day took on that attitude and all set off only to end up asa large group of people within close proximity..so wake up ye fools and stay at home

    You realise this scenario is pretty much unavoidable for anyone who tries to go for a normal walk if they live near to Dublin City Center right? Their local walk is nearly guaranteed to be more busy than most hikes.


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  • #2902
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,282 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    lawred2 wrote: »
    To be honest, the 5km thing is a bit of a nonsense. It's too much a radius in many cities and too small a radius in the countryside.

    5km might mean nothing but empty country roads for someone. With a near zero population density.

    Whereas for me in North Dublin, it's a myriad of popular parks and beaches and a much higher population density.

    Yeah and most rural people will break it I would imagine, but how nuanced can they make the restrictions? They're hard enough to follow as is.
    5km restrictions will mean more people stay at home.


  • #2903
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    What car do you drive that the tank of petrol is going to stay full for the next month while you drive outside your 5km limit for your little jaunts up the mountain/on the beach?



    Will you be turning around if the car park is busy when you arrive?

    Don't need petrol, as I charge it at home or in a garage so I've no need to step inside a petrol station.

    Na I won't be turning around at all I'll just keep my distance.

    Being outside is one of safest places that you can be.

    Or are you trying to tell me that it isn't?


  • #2904
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,282 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    AdamD wrote: »
    You realise this scenario is pretty much unavoidable for anyone who tries to go for a normal walk if they live near to Dublin City Center right? Their local walk is nearly guaranteed to be more busy than most hikes.

    It's not at all, I was living with my gf in the IFSC during the first lockdown, streets were pretty empty everywhere, didn't see any problems.


  • #2905
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    GiftofGab wrote: »
    So hotels are open and can serve beer for business purposes (not for leisure)??


    I have heard of two different groups of people in their 20s who booked into hotels and spent the night drinking in the bar. Both events turned into spreading events where up to 20 people later tested positive. I know od at least 3 staff in a bar in Ranelagh who tested positive. Bars and hotels are obviously areas that cause big numbers, they should not be opened until after this pandemic ends.


  • #2906
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    I'm still unsure about the effect of the new Kent variant on this recent surge in cases.
    Here's this from the Guardian:
    The new Covid strain that reached Ireland from the United Kingdom is spreading faster than the country’s worst-case forecasts, the country’s prime minister Micheal Martin has said.

    “While international research for this new variant is ongoing, it is already very clear that we are dealing with a strain of the disease that spreads much, much more quickly,”

    So, we learned today that the latest estimate of the reproductive number R0 is 1.8

    Yet the natural (in the wild) R0 of the existing variant is estimated to between 2 and 4.
    https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/risk-comms-updates/update-28-covid-19-what-we-know-may-2020.pdf?sfvrsn=ed6e286c_2

    So, we do not need to rely on the idea of a new more transmissible strain to explain the recent surge in cases.
    An increase in social mixing, as indicated by recent contact numbers, as well as what everyone can see, is sufficient to account for the case numbers we see now.


  • #2907
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Antares35 wrote: »
    Another high horse reference. Does that ever get old.

    I know a walk on a deserted or quiet beach is not high risk. My point though is that during lockdown, these places tend to be frequented by a much higher number of people, bringing with it it's own hazards. Nobody is suggesting that anyone stays holed up inside. :(

    If these places are outdoors with oceans of space, there's no problem. The chip on your shoulder towards people visiting these places is obvious. You don't 'own' the beauty spots around where you live, just the land you live on. You've no authority as to who frequents the beach/mountain.


  • #2908
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Denny61 wrote: »
    Are ye all clowns on here. If one person decides to go on a hike 10km.and he would not meet any one to spread anything .ok but what if a thousand people on the same day took on that attitude and all set off only to end up asa large group of people within close proximity..so wake up ye fools and stay at home
    You do realise that 100 people on a forest path is not the same as 100 people in a supermarket or a pub or a shopping centre? I'd prefer to be within a metre of someone with Covid on a mountain with the wind blowing, than to be 6 metres away in a restaurant - and I've read a lot on how it is transmitted.

    We've done a terrible job educating people about the impact of ventilation.


  • #2909
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    So I assume that whoever ordered a new car for January will have to wait until February?


  • #2910
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    It’s gas!! My Wife will have to go into a crèche and work next week whilst other teachers get an extra week off! How in the name of god is that feasible? I’m an essential worker and will be up to my tits again!!

    Watch how parents will now be looking for full day care now the schools are closed.

    So the Creche workers will be at even more risk!

    With Creches remaining open surely this must mean that those workers should now become a priority for the vaccination above teachers?


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  • #2911
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    spookwoman wrote: »
    I don't think they include numbers from others. the number we get in the briefings seem to be only from acutes so god knows what is happening in the others.

    Food for thought.

    yes they dont include community hospitals down the country as far as I can see ... this contain some of our most vunerable patients. And may not depending on different factors be transferred everytime to an acute hospital


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