Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

1…9798100102103…330

Comments

  • #2972
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Yeah but maybe rural people are less likely to go to Dublin etc if there's a 5km limit and vice versa, this eliminates spread

    The 5km is for excerise only. The only reason I could think of heading to Dublin would be for an essential reason and that’s allowed.


  • #2973
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    They've backed themselves into a corner with their insistence on declaring things to be "safe" instead of just being up front with people and admitting they're prioritising certain things.

    No issue with them prioritising creches over schools or schools over non essential retail etc., but I wish they'd stop declaring anything as "safe". There's just not enough data to say for certain what is and isn't safe at the moment. Hence the difference in what is and isn't open in different countries.

    Agreed.

    Every human interaction is unsafe.

    The key issue is relative safety. Which is why they should say that schools are relatively safe.


  • #2974
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    No, I said you should have known better.

    Exactly why should I have known better? We went out early evening to well spaced out places to eat/drink, and we're home 90 minutes later

    This was within the guidelines and we chose to not have any visitors to our home at all over Christmas

    So please tell me why I should have known better?


  • #2975
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    speckle wrote: »
    I think what happened was a combination of one or more founder/s effects at same time as behaviour changed in the Uk and the new varient got lucky and took off piggybacking on that... what it means here ... I am try to follow kilkennys and kerrys december numbers to see if they follow through into hospitalizations after a lag.. no hugh jump so far yet... kilkenny has the uk varient sequenced as being their kerry not. numbers up re positive cases in both. Dont have time to do a city... maybe ACE could keep an eye on cork... need someone to do dublin... spookwoman keeps an eye down south east.

    I agree with your last point if they atribute it wrongly this time what happens if a varient is really more virulent and highly transmissable next time.
    caveat even if not more virulent too many postives overall lead to that tiny % needing critical care to be larger numericaly.

    Yes exactly, some kind of founder effect is plausible along with other things happening at the same time.
    I guess my point is that the messaging is off and not in sync with scientific findings.

    But politics and science are different things, and what's needed now is a strong message.


  • #2976
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    This post is complete nonsense. It's like you want to 'punish' the Government for allowing Christmas to go ahead in some shape or form. What did you want? Level 5 indefinitely? Gabriel Scally's suggestion of Christmas at the end of June?

    The fact is, a new variant came from the U.K., which even NPHET in their own highly questionable over eager modelling forecasts didn't predict. Hence the unexpected increase in cases. We've no evidence as yet at all to suggest this variant is more dangerous, and plenty to suggest it isn't.

    No, we have a vaccine. This was never going to go on indefinitely. We could have made the time before the vaccine gets things under control more comfortable and certain for everyone but instead choose to ensure misery and hardship for the majority in the coming months. We deviated away from what was the expert advice. It was a clear choice.


  • Advertisement
  • #2977
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Stheno wrote: »
    Exactly why should I have known better? We went out early evening to well spaced out places to eat/drink, and we're home 90 minutes later

    This was within the guidelines and we chose to not have any visitors to our home at all over Christmas

    So please tell me why I should have known better?

    Because you knew the experts advised against it because it was unsafe.


  • #2978
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Some posters here sound like they are just out of the creche.


  • #2979
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Will Yam wrote: »
    Agreed.

    Every human interaction is unsafe.

    The key issue is relative safety. Which is why they should say that schools are relatively safe.

    That is one of many issues with the schools that have to be sorted. Another I hope they row back on will be slashing the ppe budget which will effect buying cleaning products and disinfectant and hand sanitisers.
    They also have to be consistent in identifying close contacts, instigate rapid testing among other things.


  • #2980
    Spanish Eyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Stheno wrote: »
    Exactly why should I have known better? We went out early evening to well spaced out places to eat/drink, and we're home 90 minutes later

    This was within the guidelines and we chose to not have any visitors to our home at all over Christmas

    So please tell me why I should have known better?

    Because you should have ordered a takeaway and not left your house at all ;)


  • #2981
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,656 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I don't blame the general public. I blame the government.

    But if you've spent hours upon hours discussing covid on a forum like this, you absolutely should've known better than to visit pubs and restaurants of late.
    And anyone who suggests it was a price worth paying is just a complete and utter moron.

    I'm sorry, you've spent the day blaming everyone on this thread!
    No point in backtracking now.

    So why did the Government and NPHET open the restaurants in December? Why did they say we could go to gastropubs and go shopping, and visit family over Christmas? Why is anyone who did any of the above being called a moron by you? Nobody was breaking any rules. We did EXACTLY was the Government said we could do :confused:

    Are we all fools and morons and idiots because a new strain of Covid 19 arrived here that NOBODY predicted, out of the blue..... and has resulted in a huge spike in numbers of new cases. So somehow "the public" is to blame for this??


  • Advertisement
  • #2982
    Fade Into You
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43 ✭Fade Into You


    https://twitter.com/RTENews/status/1229252548440064


  • #2983
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I'm sorry, you've spent the day blaming everyone on this thread!
    No point in backtracking now.

    So why did the Government and NPHET open the restaurants in December? Why did they say we could go to gastropubs and go shopping, and visit family over Christmas? Why is anyone who did any of the above being called a moron by you? Nobody was breaking any rules. We did EXACTLY was the Government said we could do :confused:

    Thats a satirical account. Complete wind up merchant named after Tony holohan.


  • #2984
    WhiteMemento9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭WhiteMemento9


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I think some posts on this forum reflect a general movement away from reality, Covid and the threat it presents, and this post above demonstrates that. It's hard not to be swept up in the multiple hype building tweets, George Lee 'reopening is so scary in June with 4 cases', and the various 'Professors' who don't care about you or me, and just themselves and their careers. But most notably, there are some posters on here who actually think they've the right to dictate to and 'punish' others living their lives. The long term societal damage from Covid restrictions could be the elephant in the room when all this is over.

    I think you live outside reality because our Government has managed to control the virus so well and you have no actual concept of what things would look like had that not happened. All the while mocking and disparaging the job they have done.


  • #2985
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Some posters here sound like they are just out of the creche.

    How dare you.

    The cohort of posters we have on this forum are the shining light of the Irish intellect.
    It's widely known that NPHET themselves consult this forum for just that reason.


  • #2986
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm sorry, you've spent the day blaming everyone on this thread!
    No point in backtracking now.

    So why did the Government and NPHET open the restaurants in December? Why did they say we could go to gastropubs and go shopping, and visit family over Christmas? Why is anyone who did any of the above being called a moron by you? Nobody was breaking any rules. :confused:

    NPHET advised against all of that. The government went against their advice.

    As you were unaware of this, I don't think you should have known better necessarily. You were adhering to official gov advice.


  • #2987
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    Because you knew the experts advised against it because it was unsafe.

    Incorrect.

    NPHET advised the government that they could open up hospitality OR allow household visits.

    The government allowed both, and for people from up to three households to meet up

    I went for some meals with my Oh, did not meet up with other households apart from meeting his son outside twice, and have had no visitors to my home since July when I'd to get an issue with my Internet fixed.

    So please tell me where exactly I didn't follow not only government advice, but the stricter NPHET advice??


  • #2988
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Stheno wrote: »
    Exactly why should I have known better? We went out early evening to well spaced out places to eat/drink, and we're home 90 minutes later

    This was within the guidelines and we chose to not have any visitors to our home at all over Christmas

    So please tell me why I should have known better?
    You don’t have to justify yourself, you did nothing wrong.


  • #2989
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,160 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You could always go back to comments from early December on this thread and read the acceptance by many posters that restrictions would be reapplied. As I said staying in lockdown to avoid lockdown is a stupid position to hold. It’s not feasible to think you will get compliance for a long period of time. Thinking you could keep the country locked down over the most social time of the year was wishful thinking.

    Many people accepted that there was an inevitability to lockdown or at least enhanced restrictions in January. Obviously, we all accepted that numbers were going to increase to some extent, but there is a difference between being at even something like where we were in October and where we are right now. Both of those situations were ones of rising numbers and eventual lockdown, but one is far worse than the other. This is a far worse situation. There was acceptance, but not many envisioned things becoming quite so bad. I don't think acceptance would have been quite so forthcoming if people could have seen where we would end up.

    Staying in lockdown to avoid lockdown? I've never said that, people have never said that, that's been a deliberate pithy misinterpretation that's been parroted about again and again.

    I've never argued that we should stay in level five for an indefinite period of time to avoid lockdown Never. Not once. You can check.

    What I did argue, in the case of December, was that level 5 should have been applied for at least another week to ten days, that retail should have been allowed open at that stage, but hospitality should have remained shut to any business that wasn't take away. I think we may have had a reasonable, perhaps outside chance of avoiding another massive surge. At the very least we'd able to get on top of it hopefully a bit quicker and it wouldn't be quite as overwhelming.


  • #2990
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You don’t have to justify yourself, you did nothing wrong.

    I know but I'm getting seriously ****ed off with sanctimonious posters on here labelling people who took advice seriously as morons who should have known better and I want to know how they rationalise this which is why I'm asking for an explanation


  • #2991
    Necro
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 56,355 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    NPHET advised against all of that. The government went against their advice.

    As you were unaware of this, I don't think you should have known better necessarily. You were adhering to official gov advice.

    Mod:

    Drop this now or I'll threadban you - you are not the Gardai holding an inquistion on any poster and their actions

    Moderator: Current Affairs/IMHO, Soccer, Pro Wrestling



  • Advertisement
  • #2992
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Stheno wrote: »
    I know but I'm getting seriously ****ed off with sanctimonious posters on here labelling people who took advice seriously as morons who should have known better and I want to know how they rationalise this which is why I'm asking for an explanation

    Do what I do don’t respond to him no matter the provocation, to annoy you is his goal. I suspect based on his behaviour his time may be getting limited here.


  • #2993
    Will Yam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭Will Yam


    khalessi wrote: »
    Up to parents to sort this. It is not the schools responsibility to curtail people's kids

    No it’s not. And you are right about schools responsibility.

    But from a public health perspective, if kids are going to congregate in shopping centres, or be at school, the school option is far safer


  • #2994
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,248 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    D.Q wrote: »
    Thats a satirical account. Complete wind up merchant named after Tony holohan.

    Satire is amusing , winding people up is not . I think a lot of people are on edge today and don’t need posters deliberately winding them up


  • #2995
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    So you still think it was safe. Despite everything we see today.

    You sat here every day watching rising case numbers. You know about aerosol transmission. You know it wasn't very safe.

    You should've known better. Fair play to you for staying safe in other ways, but still.

    People were trying to live. The vast majority of people stayed within the Government guidance (the elected Government).


  • #2996
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    tom1ie wrote: »
    I haven’t a beach within 5k but I’m lucky to have tickknock close, so that’ll help.

    Great idea thanks Tom!


  • #2997
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    I apologise. I was going down a route there that I was regretting more and more by the minute.

    I, like a lot of you I suspect, am having a bad day.


  • #2998
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »

    Staying in lockdown to avoid lockdown? I've never said that, people have never said that, that's been a deliberate pithy misinterpretation that's been parroted about again and again.

    I've never argued that we should stay in level five for an indefinite period of time to avoid lockdown Never. Not once. You can check.
    .

    I asked you did you subscribe to the logic of staying locked down to avoid lockdown, your answer is I take it from the above a ‘no’ That’s fine thanks.


  • #2999
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    So I assume that whoever ordered a new car for January will have to wait until February?

    I'd say collecting your car will come under essential. Click and collect!


  • #3000
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    The Crazy Cat Lady wrote: »
    anyone hear if adult day services will close (like the schools)?

    comes under this?

    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/c9158-essential-services/#human-health-and-social-work-activities

    Human health and social work activities

    15. The following services relating to human health and social work activities:

    hospital services
    therapy services provided by a member of a designated profession within the meaning of section 3 of the Health and Social Care Professionals Act 2005 (No. 27 of 2005)
    services relating to public health, including services relating to:

    (i) the identification, tracing and contacting of persons who have been in contact with persons who have been diagnosed, or are suspected of having been infected, with COVID-19

    and

    (ii) the testing of persons for COVID-19

    laboratory services
    drug treatment and addiction services
    hospice services
    pharmacy services
    primary care and general and specialist medical practice activities
    dental services
    blood donation and related services
    tissue or organ donation and related services
    residential care services (including nursing care, mental health and substance abuse services, services for elderly persons and persons with disabilities) and children’s residential services
    homecare, home help and other health services in the community
    social work and social care services, (including disability services, mental health services, child protection and welfare services, domestic, sexual and gender-based violence services) and homeless services including homeless outreach services
    paramedical, ambulance and pre-hospital care services
    services provided by minor injury units
    maternity services
    health and social work services
    food safety and environmental services
    childcare services
    anti-doping services in accordance with Part 4 of the Sport Ireland Act 2015 (No. 15 of 2015)


  • Advertisement
  • #3001
    RobbingBandit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,391 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    :
    The Crazy Cat Lady wrote: »
    anyone hear if adult day services will close (like the schools)?

    Most of the admin for day services are on leave until Monday maybe send the key worker for the adult affected a text asking for an update I'd say they're as lost about what's going to happen next as you or I are my service won't be contactable until Monday morning but try tomorrow morning yourself.


This discussion has been closed.
Advertisement