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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #2942
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I’m shocked and disgusted at the smug, judgemental attitude on here. Do people on this thread seriously believe that only those breaking restrictions contract Covid? So someone on a wide open beach outside 5km will contract it? Someone who went to a nice meal in December in a well run restaurant are somehow at fault?
    Meanwhile all those who religiously wear their masks, and shop in a packed non socially distanced supermarket are the beacons of Covid containment in society today.

    The reason they are stopping people from going over 5 KM is to stop too many people from going to those places to limit contacts.

    Look I hate it also the only reason I be for it was because the way hospital/ICU admissions were going


  • #2943
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Humberto Salazar wrote: »
    But it's not a lockdown is it? Same as November. Roads were busy, schools open. Supermarkets and pharmacies open. Don't know how this will bring numbers down. I doubt it will.

    It is for the people who actually abided by those 6 week restrictions

    Try telling people who can't travel to see friends, family, partners inside and outside their own counties that it's not a lockdown


  • #2944
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    As much as possible, yes.

    Yes.

    We did it in March when there was no end in sight.
    And now that there is a finishing line in view, it's all too much of an ask?

    I met outside for a coffee with the one friend that I have seen since March today.
    It was busier than I expected it to be in town.

    I had also planned to meet my parents for a walk tomorrow, but have just texted them to cancel.
    I think my going out today and meeting my parents tomorrow is a risk I think is better avoided.

    But everyone has their own gauge.
    For now, mine will be tuned to the max.


  • #2945
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I’m shocked and disgusted at the smug, judgemental attitude on here. Do people on this thread seriously believe that only those breaking restrictions contract Covid? So someone on a wide open beach outside 5km will contract it? Someone who went to a nice meal in December in a well run restaurant are somehow at fault?
    Meanwhile all those who religiously wear their masks, and shop in a packed non socially distanced supermarket are the beacons of Covid containment in society today.

    I don't blame the general public. I blame the government.

    But if you've spent hours upon hours discussing covid on a forum like this, you absolutely should've known better than to visit pubs and restaurants of late.
    And anyone who suggests it was a price worth paying is just a complete and utter moron.


  • #2946
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    It brought them down from about a 1000 to 250 whereupon they lashed back up again as soon as the leash was off because enough seeding was left.
    Now we have about 2500-3000 cases really, maybe more, and given that almost everyone (bar direct hospitality) is deemed an essential worker, except maybe if you make plastic gnomes for cats, I doubt L5 lite is going to get a handle on the present numbers, to be honest. It will just annoy people in the end.

    Maybe it will be different this time if people know a vaccine is coming. There's light at the end of the tunnel etc so it might make compliance easier because we know it's a short (ish) haul? Don't know.


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  • #2947
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Arghus wrote: »
    It was a false choice and a bad gamble.

    Lives and livelihoods are not any better off now facing into another level 5 for at least another month. It's a bogus argument.

    We'll pay a heavy price now, heavier than it had to be and, while, maybe, the government couldn't foresee everything, it shouldn't have gone out of its way to make the least desirous outcome the most likely.

    This post is complete nonsense. It's like you want to 'punish' the Government for allowing Christmas to go ahead in some shape or form. What did you want? Level 5 indefinitely? Gabriel Scally's suggestion of Christmas at the end of June?

    The fact is, a new variant came from the U.K., which even NPHET in their own highly questionable over eager modelling forecasts didn't predict. Hence the unexpected increase in cases. We've no evidence as yet at all to suggest this variant is more dangerous, and plenty to suggest it isn't.


  • #2948
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,367 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Yes.

    We did it in March when there was no end in sight.
    And now that there is a finishing line in view, it's all too much of an ask?

    I met outside for a coffee with the one friend that I have seen since March today.
    It was busier than I expected it to be in town.

    I had also planned to meet my parents for a walk tomorrow, but have just texted them to cancel.
    I think my going out today and meeting my parents tomorrow is a risk I think is better avoided.

    But everyone has their own gauge.
    For now, mine will be tuned to the max.


    So if the announcement was made tomorrow, your plans would have went ahead.


  • #2949
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »
    No I don't think everyone should agree with me. Is that all you can hide behind when I put facts to you that you can't dispute, distort or whatabout?

    You could always go back to comments from early December on this thread and read the acceptance by many posters that restrictions would be reapplied. As I said staying in lockdown to avoid lockdown is a stupid position to hold. It’s not feasible to think you will get compliance for a long period of time. Thinking you could keep the country locked down over the most social time of the year was wishful thinking.


  • #2950
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    It brought them down from about a 1000 to 250 whereupon they lashed back up again as soon as the leash was off because enough seeding was left.
    Now we have about 2500-3000 cases really, maybe more, and given that almost everyone (bar direct hospitality) is deemed an essential worker, except maybe if you make plastic gnomes for cats, I doubt L5 lite is going to get a handle on the present numbers, to be honest. It will just annoy people in the end.

    Interesting maths there. So now we’re at 2x the official numbers almost but back in Oct we were at less than official numbers? Restrictions work regardless of the starting point, they just take a bit longer if they’re not as strict.


  • #2951
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Eh it brought down numbers in November ?
    Level 3 and 5 together. Level 3 did most of the work, Level 5 was supposed to get us down to 50-100 cases a day.


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  • #2952
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Thelonious Monk wrote: »
    Yeah but they can't make different rules for people depending on how rural or urban they are etc or no one would understand what the hell is going on

    Fully agree but the limit rurally was ignored as it will be again.


  • #2953
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    martingriff wrote: »
    The reason they are stopping people from going over 5 KM is to stop too many people from going to those places to limit contacts.

    Look I hate it also the only reason I be for it was because the way hospital/ICU admissions were going

    I disagree, all the local parks and outdoor spaces are going to be massively overcrowded now, while countryside spots remain empty. It's baffling and non-sensical.


  • #2954
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    mcburns07 wrote: »
    Interesting maths there. So now we’re at 2x the official numbers almost but back in Oct we were at less than official numbers? Restrictions work regardless of the starting point, they just take a bit longer if they’re not as strict.

    That's the point. It takes longer. Maybe right now we don't have longer. Look at what is happening in other countries and their hospitals.
    (And we had 2800 swabs todays so my numbers are not that off).


  • #2955
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,342 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    I suppose the government doing the necessary work to bolster our capacity is out the question ? That’s my main issue along with the awful communication of the Michael Martin lead government in explaining the easing and tightening of restrictions. As a group the government have done a poor job. I do think we as a country do want to get past this, but the government and heads of the HSE need to actually do their part also. That’s why there’s been slippage IMO. It’s because we do our part and there isn’t a reciprocal action by the government.

    Definitely needed and needs to be done. Unfortunately has not been so have to work with what we have.


  • #2956
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I disagree, all the local parks and outdoor spaces are going to be massively overcrowded now, while countryside spots remain empty. It's baffling and non-sensical.
    December! Freezing weather!


  • #2957
    Storm 10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    Just checking what can remain open almost everything will be open as normal, Garages, Hardware etc its not the same level as last March


  • #2958
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    https://twitter.com/CMOIreland/status/1344353083283931136?s=20


  • #2959
    The Crazy Cat Lady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,996 ✭✭✭The Crazy Cat Lady


    anyone hear if adult day services will close (like the schools)?


  • #2960
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,282 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Fully agree but the limit rurally was ignored as it will be again.

    Yeah but maybe rural people are less likely to go to Dublin etc if there's a 5km limit and vice versa, this eliminates spread


  • #2961
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I don't blame the general public. I blame the government.

    But if you've spent hours upon hours discussing covid on a forum like this, you absolutely should've known better than to visit pubs and restaurants of late.
    And anyone who suggests it was a price worth paying is just a complete and utter moron.

    So because I.went out for a few meals with my oh whom I live with I'm an utter moron?


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  • #2962
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    So if the announcement was made tomorrow, your plans would have went ahead.

    Oh absolutely not related to the announcement at all.
    I had arranged to meet my parents yesterday, but got a call and met with my friend today.

    It's because of that, and how busy I felt my surroundings were today that I revised my plans to meet with my parents tomorrow.
    They understand.
    And I got to meet them on Christmas day too.

    I'm just giving an example of my current mindset and judgement of risk..

    I also respect that other people's judgement of risk can be different.


  • #2963
    Thespoofer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,113 ✭✭✭Thespoofer


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I heard on here from someone who works in a service station that a lot of builders say they don't wear masks in petrol stations because they have asthma. That in itself is a hidden public health crisis and should be looked at....never mind the covid.

    I'll tell you something about construction thats a hidden health crisis in the industry ( and rarely gets spoken about ) is Dust.

    I spoke to a safety officer couple of years back and the damage dust exposure does to the lungs will ( and is ) leaving damage from aspeztus dwarfed in comparison.


  • #2964
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭alentejo


    When does the 5k limit kick in? At midnight tonight or tomorrow midnight 01/01/21?


  • #2965
    speckle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,251 ✭✭✭speckle


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    It may very well be that the variant is more transmissible.
    It may also be the case that the variant is contributing significantly to the recent surge.

    But the evidence for that possibility in the Irish context has not been presented.
    Yet here we see the government and media presenting the case as established fact.
    That really is my only point.

    (The embedded quote here is going to be messed up, isn't it)

    I think what happened was a combination of one or more founder/s effects at same time as behaviour changed in the Uk and the new varient got lucky and took off piggybacking on that... what it means here ... I am try to follow kilkennys and kerrys december numbers to see if they follow through into hospitalizations after a lag.. no hugh jump so far yet... kilkenny has the uk varient sequenced as being their kerry not. numbers up re positive cases in both. Dont have time to do a city... maybe ACE could keep an eye on cork... need someone to do dublin... spookwoman keeps an eye down south east.

    I agree with your last point if they atribute it wrongly this time what happens if a varient is really more virulent and highly transmissable next time.
    caveat even if not more virulent too many postives overall lead to that tiny % needing critical care to be larger numericaly.


  • #2966
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Arghus wrote: »
    It was a false choice and a bad gamble.

    Lives and livelihoods are not any better off now facing into another level 5 for at least another month. It's a bogus argument.

    We'll pay a heavy price now, heavier than it had to be and, while, maybe, the government couldn't foresee everything, it shouldn't have gone out of its way to make the least desirous outcome the most likely.

    You are not necessarily right on this one. If hospitality had not opened do you think people would not have met up more in private settings? I have no doubt they would have. I was in three establishments over the three weeks and each of them felt reasonably safe (clean, social distancing, space) - would it have been safer in a house?

    I go back to the example of a family member who tested positive and had 5 close contacts who she met for a family occasion in a restaurant - none of these tested positive. I am fairly sure that would not have been the case had there been a ‘do’ in the house.

    Perhaps it may have been better to open non essential retail on 1 December and wait for the rest but still.


  • #2967
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    I don't blame the general public. I blame the government.

    But if you've spent hours upon hours discussing covid on a forum like this, you absolutely should've known better than to visit pubs and restaurants of late.
    And anyone who suggests it was a price worth paying is just a complete and utter moron.

    I think some posts on this forum reflect a general movement away from reality, Covid and the threat it presents, and this post above demonstrates that. It's hard not to be swept up in the multiple hype building tweets, George Lee 'reopening is so scary in June with 4 cases', and the various 'Professors' who don't care about you or me, and just themselves and their careers. But most notably, there are some posters on here who actually think they've the right to dictate to and 'punish' others living their lives. The long term societal damage from Covid restrictions could be the elephant in the room when all this is over.


  • #2968
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    It's almost as if these people are only thinking about themselves :eek:

    The same could be said of you, or anybody really.


  • #2969
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Stheno wrote: »
    So because I.went out for a few meals with my oh whom I live with I'm an utter moron?

    No, I said you should have known better.


  • #2970
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Thespoofer wrote: »
    I'll tell you something about construction thats a hidden health crisis in the industry ( and rarely gets spoken about ) is Dust.

    I spoke to a safety officer couple of years back and the damage dust exposure does to the lungs will ( and is ) leaving damage from aspeztus dwarfed in comparison.

    Yeah I'd say so. It's a good idea to wear a mask in a dusty environment for that reason.


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  • #2971
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I’m shocked and disgusted at the smug, judgemental attitude on here. Do people on this thread seriously believe that only those breaking restrictions contract Covid? So someone on a wide open beach outside 5km will contract it? Someone who went to a nice meal in December in a well run restaurant are somehow at fault?
    Meanwhile all those who religiously wear their masks, and shop in a packed non socially distanced supermarket are the beacons of Covid containment in society today.

    Haven’t been for a pint since February last, and that was at a friends wedding on the 10th. Brought herself for a meal the Monday before Christmas, no pints or wine have said here that nonessential is more important than a meal or a pint. Some seem to be handling this very badly and wish to lash out constantly and make up stuff I don’t bother to reply to him or his buddy anymore.


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