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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #2282
    eigrod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,959 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Between vaccinations and infections, NI must be well on the road to herd immunity.


  • #2283
    Antares35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,845 ✭✭✭Antares35


    speckle wrote: »
    As long as they dont head all for the same few beauty spots and put locals under severe pressure as happened earlier in the year. OPW need to take a leading role here and publicize guidelines... and pointers to good websites with the 1000s of diffferent outdoor nature spots and people if a small rural beauty spot place is buzy stay in their car and drive elsewhere etc.
    Have a checklist including but not exclusive too
    Weather can turn bad quickly in Ireland so prepare
    Dont stay if too buzy
    Bring home your rubbish especially masks.. etc
    Avoid peak times
    Dont block local roads
    Bring your own food
    Dont hang around chatting near other peoples cars
    Avoid touching farm gates
    Dont put yourself at risk up hills or swimming. we dont need to clog up emergency services.
    Many of you are new to being out in nature at this time of year so wecome.. but learn how to thread lightly, safely and responsibly etc etc

    Anhyhow ye get the drift of my suggestion..

    Exactly. The problem has been everyone has the same idea. The world and its mother descended on the hellfire club during the last lockdown. You couldn't get up or down the road because of illegal parking. There were ice cream vans, coffee vans etc. Lots of dumping, traffic and generally just no consideration for people living and working in the area. We used to go to parks in the suburbs because we couldn't access forestry walks within our 5km. It would be fine if people spread out but they don't. Massy's too was one of my favourite places, but I only go there midweek now, and during a lockdown I wouldn't even bother midweek because it's mental and I don't fancy pushing a buggy out around illegally parked cars on a rural road so I can get to it!


  • #2284
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Numbers in NI are extremely bad

    https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1344283507879780352


  • #2285
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,229 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Fecking hell https://twitter.com/sharon_utv/status/1344282729060380672?s=19

    The north must be closing in on Herd Immunity


  • #2286
    TonyMaloney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭TonyMaloney


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It’s not boggling at all, families needed to be allowed time together, retail needed an opportunity to make some revenue. Restrictions were mooted before the last 6 week period ended.

    It was one of the stupidest and possibly most consequential decisions in the history of the state. That you still don't get it no longer surprises


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  • #2287
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    HSE briefing

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1344283637622181890?s=19


  • #2288
    Kermit.de.frog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,109 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It’s not boggling at all, families needed to be allowed time together, retail needed an opportunity to make some revenue. Restrictions were mooted before the last 6 week period ended.

    You are entitled to that opinion.

    I respect it and know the dreadful uncertainties and difficulties for everyone. But I don't agree with it.

    The reality today is that we now find ourselves in the most serious situation since this began and what has been propelled in the last 4 weeks, and now has momentum we had managed to avoid, is going to take a hell of a lot of getting over.


  • #2289
    Sardonicat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    RGARDINR wrote: »
    So if level 5 restrictions brought in n would it be from midnight tonight? So they can stop people from having new year's eve parties etc?

    I dont think anyone planning a NYE party now would let Level 5 restrictions stop them, do you?


  • #2290
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    Yea I see that but grooming services are 7 cases!!! 7! Seems totally unnecessary to have them closed as they pose almost no risk at all!

    Not commenting on grooming services in particular, but an outbreak is 2 or more cases.

    I don't think contact tracing works well enough that we actually know the source of a lot of infections, so it's difficult to draw too many conclusions from the list.


  • #2291
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The north must be closing in on Herd Immunity

    They're getting closer... Just give it a few years and assume no other deviation. It's unclear whether natural herd immunity is possible for covid.


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  • #2292
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,156 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    seamus wrote: »
    Hospitalisations are surging because large amounts of people would have done anything to avoid going to hospital over Xmas. So they tough it out until it's unbearable, and suddenly we have 40/50 Covid admissions per day.

    I'd expect to see this continue through to Sunday before we know where we are.

    The majority of these will get a couple of days on oxygen and be fine. We'll see high discharge numbers come next week.

    Still a concern, but numbers are still in a chaotic state due to Xmas, so we don't know if this is a mini peak or a sign of things to come.

    I hope your optimistic explanation /prediction is correct, but I don't think it is.

    I hope to have egg on my face in two weeks time.


  • #2293
    KerryConnor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 149 ✭✭KerryConnor


    I personally know 5 teachers who contracted covid in recent months - all of whom thought school was probably where they contracted it. However all were recorded as community/household outbreaks.

    The only cases recorded under 'school' are those who test positive when tested as close contact of a classmate/colleague . This is limited as close contacts is such a narrow group (if a child/teacher hasn't been in school for previous 48 hrs they automatically have no close contacts.. or teachers usually have no close contacts as they are wearing masks)
    is_that_so wrote: »
    At about 5% of household outbreaks. Cases were always expected.


  • #2294
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,599 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Sammy2012 wrote: »
    Yea I see that but grooming services are 7 cases!!! 7! Seems totally unnecessary to have them closed as they pose almost no risk at all!

    How many cases are unexplained?

    If there's is a significant number of cases under the heading unexplained community transmission then restrictions fall on categories that it's hard to classify as coming from.


  • #2295
    bb1234567
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    2,143 cases up North this afternoon


  • #2296
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Turtwig wrote: »
    They're getting closer... Just give it a few years and assume no other deviation. It's unclear whether natural herd immunity is possible for covid.

    They'd be the first place in the world to confirm whether it's possible!


  • #2297
    William Faithful Deer
    Posts: 0 ✭ William Faithful Deer


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Numbers in NI are extremely bad

    https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1344283507879780352

    All island approach needed. **** the DUP and their knuckle dragging.


  • #2298
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    normanoffside wrote: »
    The north must be closing in on Herd Immunity

    Wouldn't like to bet on it.

    https://twitter.com/JeremyFarrar/status/1343629118538178560?s=20


  • #2299
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    TonyMaloney wrote: »
    It was one of the stupidest and possibly most consequential decisions in the history of the state. That you still don't get it no longer surprises

    Opening up has been a ****ing disaster. No two ways about it.

    The frustrating thing is that it was entirely predictable. And the majority, the people who have obeyed restrictions all along, that had the common sense to listen to nphet and not indulge in hospitality or indoor household visits are paying the price -yet again!- for a stupid and shortsighted government decision.


  • #2300
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    2,143 cases up North this afternoon

    What would that be the equivalent of here? 6000 odd cases?

    We need to stop the thousands of construction workers from coming down here every day somehow if the government haven't for the sands to close construction themselves.


  • #2301
    oldtimeyfella
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 382 ✭✭oldtimeyfella


    Anyone else been out and about today? Was on my way home from work there a short while ago and the roads areabsolutely packed.


    Went to stop off at Aldi and did a u-turn because there were maybe 4 or 5 empty parking spaces. Very little at home in the freezer because i was avoiding the pre-christmas madness in the supermarkets :(


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  • #2302
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,031 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    Anyone else been out and about today? Was on my way home from work there a short while ago and the roads areabsolutely packed.


    Went to stop off at Aldi and did a u-turn because there were maybe 4 or 5 empty parking spaces. Very little at home in the freezer because i was avoiding the pre-christmas madness in the supermarkets :(

    Was in our local Aldi half an hour ago.

    Roads completely empty, store no busier than any other weekday afternoon, i.e. fairly quiet.


  • #2303
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Some posters don't seem to be taking this into account at all. Once we get sufficient supplies we should start to see some indicators, even from February.

    There's a possible complication to look at that's not been mentioned here yet, as far as I know, it seems that the Oxford vaccine has been approved in the UK, but with a possibly significant change, which is that the second dose, which is designed to reinforce the effect of the vaccine is now not after 2 weeks, it's being pushed out to up to 12, yes twelve weeks.

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-second-dose-of-covid-vaccines-to-be-given-later-after-guidelines-change-12175456

    The first dose gives some immunity, but it's now being stated as 3 weeks before it's effective.

    So, if it's the end of January before the Oxford vaccine is approved by the EU regulators, and they go with the same rules as the UK, and it's then up to 12 weeks between doses, that's a potential big game changer, given that the Oxford vaccine is the more likely one to be used for mass vaccinations, as it's easier to store and transport, and cheaper to purchase.

    On that basis, it will be the end of April before people start getting the second shot of the Oxford vaccine, and the end of February before the Oxford vaccine starts to be effective, so the suggestions of Paddy's day before things start reopening could be a lot closer to the truth than may be comfortable for many.

    At the risk of being shouted at, we could be in for a very difficult 3 months if there's not much Pfizer vaccine available, and there's already doubts about the supply chain of the Pfizer vaccine.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #2304
    ElJeffe
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    Arghus wrote: »
    I hope your optimistic explanation /prediction is correct, but I don't think it is.

    I hope to have egg on my face in two weeks time.

    That poster has been way off the mark for the last few weeks, I see no reason for that to change now.


  • #2305
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    3 week sweep for nursing homes says Reid, starting on Monday.


  • #2306
    Tpcl20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Tpcl20


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It’s not boggling at all, families needed to be allowed time together, retail needed an opportunity to make some revenue. Restrictions were mooted before the last 6 week period ended.
    Anyone with a grain of intelligence didn't inflict themselves riskily on their families, or flock mindlessly to the shops like lemmings to a height, just because they felt entitled to.

    I know instances of those who did as they felt they "deserved" who are paying a high price already, so being reckless with family contact patently isn't some sacred entitlement.

    The economic situation will disimprove as we impose more stringent restrictions due to increased transmission, so the argument about retail is completely invalid also.


  • #2307
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,031 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    is_that_so wrote: »
    3 week sweep for nursing homes says Reid, starting on Monday.

    What does sweep mean?


  • #2308
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    Opening up has been a ****ing disaster. No two ways about it.

    The frustrating thing is that it was entirely predictable. And the majority, the people who have obeyed restrictions all along, that had the common sense to listen to nphet and not indulge in hospitality or indoor household visits are paying the price -yet again!- for a stupid and shortsighted government decision.

    Your post makes no sense, you think opening up was a disaster but now think you are paying the price by restrictions being imposed again?


  • #2309
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    There's a possible complication to look at that's not been mentioned here yet, as far as I know, it seems that the Oxford vaccine has been approved in the UK, but with a possibly significant change, which is that the second dose, which is designed to reinforce the effect of the vaccine is now not after 2 weeks, it's being pushed out to up to 12, yes twelve weeks.

    https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-second-dose-of-covid-vaccines-to-be-given-later-after-guidelines-change-12175456

    The first dose gives some immunity, but it's now being stated as 3 weeks before it's effective.

    So, if it's the end of January before the Oxford vaccine is approved by the EU regulators, and they go with the same rules as the UK, and it's then up to 12 weeks between doses, that's a potential big game changer, given that the Oxford vaccine is the more likely one to be used for mass vaccinations, as it's easier to store and transport, and cheaper to purchase.

    On that basis, it will be the end of April before people start getting the second shot of the Oxford vaccine, and the end of February before the Oxford vaccine starts to be effective, so the suggestions of Paddy's day before things start reopening could be a lot closer to the truth than may be comfortable for many.

    At the risk of being shouted at, we could be in for a very difficult 3 months if there's not much Pfizer vaccine available, and there's already doubts about the supply chain of the Pfizer vaccine.
    Reid says they are looking at 40K a week from Pfizer, possibly more if they can get it. Moderna will be from next week but probably about half that again. That's still about 100K a month fully vaccinated.


  • #2310
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    awec wrote: »
    What does sweep mean?
    All of them. Apparently they've done the data forms. Then they'll do a second sweep to fully vaccinate.


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  • #2311
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    oldtimeyfella wrote: »
    Anyone else been out and about today? Was on my way home from work there a short while ago and the roads areabsolutely packed.


    Went to stop off at Aldi and did a u-turn because there were maybe 4 or 5 empty parking spaces. Very little at home in the freezer because i was avoiding the pre-christmas madness in the supermarkets :(

    Was out jogging for a couple of hours this morning. Not that many about walking, running or cycling, not too many out driving either.

    Went to Dunnes then after and no queue to get in, not anyway busy inside.


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