Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

Turtwig wrote: »

Given current rise in hospitalisation I can't see how non Covid care will be able function effectively if the rate continues. This is no longer just about covid cases in hospital it's also about maintaining non covid care and that looks in an increasingly precarious position.

Probably do what they did at the start stop electives and consults unless important.

thelad95 wrote: »

Large numbers of people at "beauty spots" seems to have been a sore point for people from day one of this but I'm just wondering is there actually evidence of any sort of cluster related to say an outing at Glendalough due to people having had to brush past someone on a narrow path for approximately one tenth of a second?

The 5km limit is nonsense and very few European countries have tried to have such Draconian limits on movement. I think it would do a lot for people's health to be able to explore the country a little bit at the weekends or even during the week for the 100,000 plus about to be sat on their arse again for the next few weeks.

As long as they dont head all for the same few beauty spots and put locals under severe pressure as happened earlier in the year. OPW need to take a leading role here and publicize guidelines... and pointers to good websites with the 1000s of diffferent outdoor nature spots and people if a small rural beauty spot place is buzy stay in their car and drive elsewhere etc.
Have a checklist including but not exclusive too
Weather can turn bad quickly in Ireland so prepare
Dont stay if too buzy
Bring home your rubbish especially masks.. etc
Avoid peak times
Dont block local roads
Bring your own food
Dont hang around chatting near other peoples cars
Avoid touching farm gates
Dont put yourself at risk up hills or swimming. we dont need to clog up emergency services.
Many of you are new to being out in nature at this time of year so wecome.. but learn how to thread lightly, safely and responsibly etc etc

Anhyhow ye get the drift of my suggestion..

bennyl10 wrote: »

That completely contradicts what the documentation’s actually says though!

Messaging has been a joke throughout this.

(That being said I’m limerick due to return to Dublin so I’m
Not complaining, it’s just madness on clarity!)

If you really want some fun. Read the NPHET letters. Then read the mashed up remix that is published government guidelines. Then watch some politican interviews where they provide their own flavourings.

The guidance is quite clearly analogous to the Pirate Code from Pirates of the Caribbean.

Hubertj wrote: »

Ah some trumped up self important union rep is now also a public health expert again? I thought tjey were put in their place earlier in the year. Teachers unions are there to argue with government and hold parents to ransom, nothing else.

I see they have already rejected their next proposed pay rise on grounds that teachers deserve more than everyone else.

This on top of their demand for extra holidays pre Christmas because of the stress they suffered since their last holiday in November.

KrustyUCC wrote: »

True but if you change schedule at all the unions will try to find ways to keep schools closed again

It won't just be a delay of a week or two

'Look numbers are still increasing it's not safe' etc

Don't know where you are getting this. The vast majority of teachers are happy to be working. There are issues regarding the reporting in school, what constitutes a close contact, a revocation of the 40% cut in PPE allowances and the frustration that the Government refuse to say that schools have an impact on growth of rates. If these things were sorted we would have no issue. Teachers in general have ZERO interest in any prolonged period of time out of classroom setting

KrustyUCC wrote: »

True but if you change schedule at all the unions will try to find ways to keep schools closed again

It won't just be a delay of a week or two

'Look numbers are still increasing it's not safe' etc

And this is one of the reasons the U.K. are wondering about how to reopen the schools once they shut.

If they close, (even by delaying the reopening for a week), every time they move to reopen them the teachers unions will be out in force demanding they be shut again.

An odd country. Schoolteachers upset because they have work to go to. Bar staff, hairdressers upset becuse they have no work to go to.

It’s also ironic that those who want to work are on PUP. Those who dont want to work will get paid regardless.................

Does anyone know what time approx should we expect to be enlightened on the latest restrictions?

SusanC10 wrote: »

Does anyone know what time approx should we expect to be enlightened on the latest restrictions?

I would imagine unofficially about 3.30, officially about 6 pm.

giveitholly wrote: »

Would this be the reason for such a dramatic rise in hospital admissions

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1344226682425782272?s=19

When you read hospital admission in the context of covid. The obvious interpretation is that people have presented to hospital with covid symptoms and were admitted because they required hospitalisation due to said symptoms. But this is not the case. My wife is a doctor in a main Dublin hospital that has been primarily dealing with covid patients and she does not understand the figures in these HSE reports.

From what she understands, the term admission does not necessarily mean someone has presented with covid symptoms. Nor does it mean someone has just presented to hospital for the first time. They may already be in the hospital or returning for follow up. And they have tested positive without any complaints of covid like symptoms. A lot are asymptomatic. Of course some are presenting specifically with covid like symptoms. But a lot are not. For example, there are 2 covid admissions in her hospital but the reported figures are much higher. That is 2 specifically admitted with breathing difficulties etc. Similarly, her understanding of discharge does not necessarily mean the person has left the hospital. They are just no longer counted as a covid patient in hospital. They may be physically discharged or they may be moved back to a non covid ward for the original purpose of hospital admittance.

If a doctor working day in and day out in a hospital in which the HSE are reporting on can't fully wrap their head around the figures. Then there has to be some clarity nd context missing in what is being reported.

is_that_so wrote: »

They've just released the unsurprising agenda. Closing non-essential retail and the return of the 5km limit is about the extent of it. Logically they should leave the exercise and sports but gyms and leisure centres may also take a hit. The only question is for how long and whether the Jan 12 review is pushed back to say the end of January.

It’s highly likely to last till after paddy’s day.

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Yeah it is looking like elective procedures, out-patient appointments and screening services could be severely restricted yet again. It's a terrible decision to have to take considering it simply will lead to lives being lost as a result of delayed and missed diagnosis and so on.

It's astonishing that people still cannot understand, even at this late stage in the pandemic, the need to suppress the virus to prevent decisions such as the above having to be taken. The UK are about to have to start prioritising and rationing critical care services in their hospitals. Critical care patients who end up in hospital for non-Covid reasons will die when they would ordinarily survive.

What's even more doubly astonishing is that a lot of the same people will rage against restrictions and attempts to suppress the disease on the grounds that they're thinking about the people not receiving treatment in hospital - and they completely miss the point that if you don't suppress the disease in the community first and foremost there's even less chance of non-Covid care continuing and less chance of non-Covid patients receiving the level of care required. The complete illogic of that argument is always frustrating to read. People who require hospital treatment aren't helped by increasing levels of Covid.

And some of them - not all, but some - downplay rising case numbers and hospital admittences as being only to do with outbreaks in hospitals, which is false to begin with, but is equally galling because that's then used to justify a blithe attitude towards the levels of risk for the general puplic and to downplay the seriousness of the situation and to rail against the efforts to suppress the disease.

Less restrictions, equals more Covid, which equals less hospital treatments and patient care across the board.

jackboy wrote: »

It’s highly likely to last till after paddy’s day.

I think they may announce 6-8 weeks, but 4 weeks for sure. Paddy's Day is too far away to have any reasonable compliance with a 5km restriction plus we should be well into the initial groups by March, certainly the first 5 groups.