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Covid 19 Part XXX-113,332 ROI(2,282 deaths) 81,251 NI (1,384 deaths) (05/01) Read OP

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  • #2162
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    awec wrote: »
    It is better that you can work properly from 9-2 than not work during the day at all.

    The schools are open because the government need as many people as possible working, so that they can afford to give PUP to those who really cannot work, so that mortgages are paid, loans are paid, essential supply chains maintained, essential manufacturing maintained.

    Closing schools has an enormous knock on and detrimental effect. Despite what you read on here it is not about optics. As was proven from September -> December it is entirely possible to open schools and maintain control.

    Well made points. I think the risk now (and maybe why a short delay to reopening could be merited) is that case numbers, the R0 rate and the community positive rate are far higher than they were in September. But this will only work if there is a general acceptance of the need to stay at home.


  • #2163
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,032 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The 5km thing is a low hanging fruit policy that reduces risk and costs nothing. Reduces the chances of an outbreak in Dublin making it to Wicklow or Kildare for example.

    It sucks for people who live in areas that have nothing interesting to do outdoors.


  • #2164
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,790 ✭✭✭Benimar


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    True but if you change schedule at all the unions will try to find ways to keep schools closed again

    It won't just be a delay of a week or two

    'Look numbers are still increasing it's not safe' etc

    I’m not a teacher but am in one of the unions. This is the only time I’ve heard mention of them requesting a closure/delay. It’s not an unreasonable request in fairness.


  • #2165
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,093 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Yes. I had thought of that. But I do think the starter pack idea has some validity. I do a lot of bread baking and I think of the virus in terms of yeast! :) Too little and it takes ages to rise something but just enough and the rising is really fast. We had too much residual virus left circulating when we opened up in December for it not to rise quite quickly. There is the lotus doubling on the pond metaphor too...at first is slow and then very fast.

    Edit South Africa would also call into question seasonality (?maybe)

    If I remember correctly cases were already starting to rise before they opened up officially.
    I still wonder how many people are going around unknowingly with the virus, possibly never knowing they had it.


  • #2166
    chicorytip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,344 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Have you never had a vaccine before ?
    Most vaccines have the same base / or are diluted with saline which is dilute salty water , so if you had previous reactions a vaccine medium before you would know and be able to forewarn those administering the vaccine .
    Reactions are not usually fatal but you could get a sore arm or a headache for a few days . These reactions would be mild and the most common.
    Severer reactions are very very rare but still people do not die as those administering vaccines are trained in procedures to deal with adverse events that 'may occur ' .
    Some vaccines like MMR have proven to be harmful and others like Flu simply ineffective - in a minority percentage, I admit. China is experiencing a new surge of infections even among those previously vaccinated. At the outbreak of the pandemic informed scientific opinion was that it would take more than two years to develop an unquestionably effective vaccine yet after less than twelve months here we are with this supposed cure-all. There is much further research required on the subject.


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  • #2167
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Why have you not seen your parent in 9 months, travel is permitted for compassionate reasons? Sorry but you not seeing your parent as harsh as it sounds is entirely down to you

    They are in the UK, and travel has been "not recommended" for a long time, and they were required to cocoon for most of the summer, due to the UK rules being different. We could get TO the UK now, but getting back would be a mess, due to the travel ban from the UK, and given they are both over 90, we'd be less than happy about the risk of taking Covid with us, as it's pretty much impossible to travel without coming into contact with potential risks.

    Yes, it's our call, but with the advice from both Governments, we decided that the risks were just too high.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #2168
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    thelad95 wrote: »
    Large numbers of people at "beauty spots" seems to have been a sore point for people from day one of this but I'm just wondering is there actually evidence of any sort of cluster related to say an outing at Glendalough due to people having had to brush past someone on a narrow path for approximately one tenth of a second?
    Not that I am aware of from very brief contact e.g. passing someone. I think it's a mistake personally to block people going to places for recreation, but I understand there are other issues that need to be considered - e.g. people car-pooling, people visiting local shops, people congregating in general too close together. There's been an awareness & education gap - too much emphasis on wiping down surfaces etc, and not enough emphasis on ventilation & not breathing in other people's air.
    The 5km limit is nonsense and very few European countries have tried to have such Draconian limits on movement. I think it would do a lot for people's health to be able to explore the country a little bit at the weekends or even during the week for the 100,000 plus about to be sat on their arse again for the next few weeks.
    France currently has a curfew after 8pm, they are proposing to reduce it to 6pm, and dealing with a French policeman will be very different to meeting a Guard. We've no idea what "draconian" means.


  • #2169
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    chicorytip wrote: »
    China is experiencing a new surge of infections even among those previously vaccinated.

    Link or source? Hadn't heard this.


  • #2170
    embraer170
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭embraer170


    thelad95 wrote: »
    Large numbers of people at "beauty spots" seems to have been a sore point for people from day one of this but I'm just wondering is there actually evidence of any sort of cluster related to say an outing at Glendalough due to people having had to brush past someone on a narrow path for approximately one tenth of a second?

    The 5km limit is nonsense and very few European countries have tried to have such Draconian limits on movement. I think it would do a lot for people's health to be able to explore the country a little bit at the weekends or even during the week for the 100,000 plus about to be sat on their arse again for the next few weeks.

    France had a 1km limit. Fill in a form every time you leave home including to bring your kids to school.


  • #2171
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Irish Steve wrote: »
    They are in the UK, and travel has been "not recommended" for a long time, and they were required to cocoon for most of the summer, due to the UK rules being different. We could get TO the UK now, but getting back would be a mess, due to the travel ban from the UK, and given they are both over 90, we'd be less than happy about the risk of taking Covid with us, as it's pretty much impossible to travel without coming into contact with potential risks.

    Yes, it's our call, but with the advice from both Governments, we decided that the risks were just too high.

    There is EU agreement( the UK is still in the EU) that people can travel for compassionate reasons, I have work colleagues who travelled for those reasons . You made your choice not to do so , no one else or group deserves your contempt. Again sorry for being harsh but do not use others to justify your choice. I will leave it at that.


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  • #2172
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    No inter county is already in place but you can return to your residence at any time.

    As the other poster said if you usually work and live in Dublin for example but went to Galway for Christmas you can return at any time, there isn't a cut off date.

    It specifies
    27th December no travel except to return home

    1st January
    No intercounty travel


    Seems fairly clear that you can’t remain past that date


  • #2173
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    embraer170 wrote: »
    France had a 1km limit. Fill in a form every time you leave home including to bring your kids to school.

    Something along these lines is desperately needed here. Too many with a sense of self entitlement ruining it for everyone.


  • #2174
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    It specifies
    27th December no travel except to return home

    1st January
    No intercounty travel


    Seems fairly clear that you can’t remain past that date

    Governments Ministers were specifically asked on this question - if you are travelling back for work then it is essential purposes.


  • #2175
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    It specifies
    27th December no travel except to return home

    1st January
    No intercounty travel


    Seems fairly clear that you can’t remain past that date
    Its no new journeys, if your already somewhere you can return home. i.e if you went to galway from dublin(where you usually live for work) for Christmas you can return back to Dublin say on the 4th when your due back in work (essential travel)

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1344200682207911937?s=19

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1341338008709160966?s=19


  • #2176
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Something along these lines is desperately needed here. Too many with a sense of self entitlement ruining it for everyone.

    Enforced by whom ? AGS don’t have the numbers


  • #2177
    NetChat101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭NetChat101


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Absolutely. They opened things up to prevent us from going completely mad.


    And I bet those saying things should have stayed closed, used the pubs, restaurants and gyms while they were open.

    I'm the opposite of what you describe. I wanted things open, to give even an air of "normality" to Christmas - but I didn't go to a pub/restaurant/gym at all. I just didn't bargain on the complete lack of cop on by so many people, going out to pubs/restaurants a few times each week and meeting different groups of friends each time.


  • #2178
    bennyl10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Its no new journeys, if your already somewhere you can return home. i.e if you went to galway from dublin(where you usually live for work) for Christmas you can return back to Dublin say on the 4th when your due back in work (essential travel)

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1344200682207911937?s=19

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1341338008709160966?s=19

    That completely contradicts what the documentation’s actually says though!

    Messaging has been a joke throughout this.

    (That being said I’m limerick due to return to Dublin so I’m
    Not complaining, it’s just madness on clarity!)


  • #2179
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    thelad95 wrote: »
    Large numbers of people at "beauty spots" seems to have been a sore point for people from day one of this but I'm just wondering is there actually evidence of any sort of cluster related to say an outing at Glendalough due to people having had to brush past someone on a narrow path for approximately one tenth of a second?

    The 5km limit is nonsense and very few European countries have tried to have such Draconian limits on movement. I think it would do a lot for people's health to be able to explore the country a little bit at the weekends or even during the week for the 100,000 plus about to be sat on their arse again for the next few weeks.

    There's no evidence but I think it's more focused on preventing people from leaving their homes in general since they have nothing to do outside. The risks are more from using public transport to travel there, using a public toilet while there or congregating outside a takeaway on your way home.

    Ideally they'd treat the public like adults and explain that reasoning but it seems we're not trusted with that so they'd rather keep the message simple. Maybe they're right and the public can't be trusted to act responsibly with all the information at hand but it's frustrating we've never been given the opportunity.


  • #2180
    sporina
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,127 ✭✭✭sporina


    Query for those of you who are in the know...

    What 5 dates since the start of the virus in Ireland, have had the highest number of new cases per day? I believe yesterday was the highest so far - so just wondering..


  • #2181
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    That completely contradicts what the documentation’s actually says though!

    Messaging has been a joke throughout this.

    (That being said I’m limerick due to return to Dublin so I’m
    Not complaining, it’s just madness on clarity!)

    The lack of clarity has been a running theme with this gov since they came in to power last summer.


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  • #2182
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    Sorry if this has been asked a few times, does anybody know will places like chadwicks b and q etc be closed, construction...

    Level 5 has been tweaked so much that Im not sure


  • #2183
    Mimon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,473 ✭✭✭Mimon


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Link or source? Hadn't heard this.

    He probably means people who were previously infected.


  • #2184
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    AdamD wrote: »
    I'm guessing the housing crisis doesn't effect you so?

    Lets just deal with the crisis that bothers you, but no no, its everyone else who is selfish.

    The housing "crisis" effects some people, the pandemic is effecting everyone.


  • #2185
    ElJeffe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ElJeffe


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Enforced by whom ? AGS don’t have the numbers

    They've had months to figure that out. As you keep saying there are hundreds of thousands out of work.

    Amazing the way their is an obstacle in the way of everything you don't agree with though.


  • #2186
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,666 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Something along these lines is desperately needed here. Too many with a sense of self entitlement ruining it for everyone.

    Without strict enforcement it'd just be yet another barrier for the responsible majority to worry about while the irresponsible minority ignore with no consequence.

    But honestly I think the "rule breakers" being the major problem is just a scapegoat to distract us from what's happening in the schools, direct provision and meat factories. I'd wager the overwhelming majority of positive cases are from people acting within the guidelines.


  • #2187
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    They've had months to figure that out. As you keep saying there are hundreds of thousands out of work.

    Amazing the way their is an obstacle in the way of everything you don't agree with though.

    Have you anything sensible to say at all? You seem to have an issue when facts are pointed out to you that are not to your liking?


  • #2188
    awec
    Administrators Posts: 55,032 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    They've had months to figure that out. As you keep saying there are hundreds of thousands out of work.

    Amazing the way their is an obstacle in the way of everything you don't agree with though.

    You have genuinely jumped the shark if you are now implying that the unemployed be given powers to enforce a lockdown.


  • #2189
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ElJeffe wrote: »
    The housing "crisis" effects some people, the pandemic is effecting everyone.

    Wow. You are infinitely worse than the people you love to give out about


  • #2190
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Given current rise in hospitalisation I can't see how non Covid care will be able function effectively if the rate continues. This is no longer just about covid cases in hospital it's also about maintaining non covid care and that looks in an increasingly precarious position.


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  • #2191
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    I will gladly be paid to break lockdown rules to make sure no one else is breaking lockdown rules. Gonna need some way to identify my self though, maybe a nice dark uniform...... Black or brown could work.


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