The UK COVID variant

Kermit.de.frog · 20-12-2020 3:41am #1

This is getting considerably worse than bad PR for the UK.

The Dutch have already banned flights tonight and say they will consult more widely on further measures from other EU countries in tandem

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1340465651962540033

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1340466718964117504

Will Ireland be among them - and due to the common travel area are we vulnerable to decision contagion from the EU (pardon the pun) here?

Atlantic Dawn · 20-12-2020 4:25am

It was looking recently that the virus was not up to a whole lot on healthy people, this change was badly needed to corruptly justify the billions in money and suicides this has costed.

Could they add a new clause where it damages Western Europeans who drink tea after 6pm of an evening? And for those fearing the shopping element of infection could they explain why there has not been a single death in staff of the entire retail sector in Ireland?

Wanderer78 · 20-12-2020 6:48am

Atlantic Dawn wrote:

It was looking recently that the virus was not up to a whole lot on healthy people, this change was badly needed to corruptly justify the billions in money and suicides this has costed.

Wtf!

suicide_circus · 20-12-2020 8:51am

Meanwhile by my count we have 27 flights arriving from the UK into Dublin Airport today alone. And an open border to the north of course. Be a miracle if this new strain is not already here.

embraer170 · 20-12-2020 9:01am

With 10s of thousands of Irish coming home for Christmas from the U.K. in the coming days, it will be too late to do anything.

ZX7R · 20-12-2020 9:01am

It appears that the flight ban has been issued due to the report released by the uk is contradicting and the Dutch want more time to study the information.

screamer · 20-12-2020 9:11am

Ah shure we couldn’t be doing that at all at all now. Irish coming home for Christmas is more important than anything else...... we’ll be in level 6 lockdown yet, and we’ll see who comes to help us....

average_runner · 20-12-2020 9:12am

embraer170 wrote: »

With 10s of thousands of Irish coming home for Christmas from the U.K. in the coming days, it will be too late to do anything.

Anyone I know in the uk that was travelling home, have cancelled their trip. ITS the right thing to do now

is_that_so · 20-12-2020 10:36am

embraer170 wrote: »

With 10s of thousands of Irish coming home for Christmas from the U.K. in the coming days, it will be too late to do anything.

So far we don't have that variant here. The same guidance applies anyway to controlling it.

mean gene · 20-12-2020 10:38am

is_that_so wrote: »

So far we don't have that variant here. The same guidance applies anyway to controlling it.

it is here cmon ffs

20-12-2020 10:39am

is_that_so wrote: »

So far we don't have that variant here. The same guidance applies anyway to controlling it.

Is it not suspected in that mass outbreak in wexford?

is_that_so · 20-12-2020 10:42am

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it not suspected in that mass outbreak in wexford?

It could be but I'm going on what DeGascun has said recently.

ancapailldorcha · 20-12-2020 10:43am

I'm probably going to have to cancel my flights home tomorrow. They need to do this by the end of today at the latest IMO. In a pandemic, timing is everything.

is_that_so · 20-12-2020 10:44am

mean gene wrote: »

it is here cmon ffs

Dogs in the street know, eh?

average_runner · 20-12-2020 10:44am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Is it not suspected in that mass outbreak in wexford?

Considering the guy that travelled was from the south of England

jam_mac_jam · 20-12-2020 10:46am

is_that_so wrote: »

Dogs in the street know, eh?

No. Nobody knows one way or the other if it's here. Which also means that we can't say its not.

Only that it hasn't been found.

is_that_so · 20-12-2020 11:05am

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

No. Nobody knows one way or the other if it's here. Which also means that we can't say its not.

Only that it hasn't been found.

I don't think it matters anyway unless it is found to undo what the vaccines will do. If you are following the guidelines then you are reducing the risk.

utyh2ikcq9z76b · 20-12-2020 11:10am

embraer170 wrote: »

With 10s of thousands of Irish coming home for Christmas from the U.K. in the coming days, it will be too late to do anything.

Mainland Europe should just ban flights from Ireland as well. It's here, loads came home this weekend. Had family members come back already, wouldn't listen to my objections

wally1990 · 20-12-2020 11:56am

Do they know if the vaccines made work on this strain as normal and just needs to be rolled out

or

is it too early to say and studies need to be done to confirm if the vaccines treat this strain?

I couldn't find any info

average_runner · 20-12-2020 11:58am

wally1990 wrote: »

Do they know if the vaccines made work on this strain as normal and just needs to be rolled out

or

is it too early to say and studies need to be done to confirm if the vaccines treat this strain?

I couldn't find any info

Yep it will. So before covid came along, scientists were closed to having a foundation that can tackle all viruses. They finished it during covid and then added in the covid part. Going forward we are stronger than ever for tackling viruses. Massive and an amazing milestone

ancapailldorcha · 20-12-2020 12:06pm

wally1990 wrote: »

Do they know if the vaccines made work on this strain as normal and just needs to be rolled out

or

is it too early to say and studies need to be done to confirm if the vaccines treat this strain?

I couldn't find any info

They're examining the sera of vaccinees at the DSTL in Porton Down now to investigate that.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-12-2020 1:10pm

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1340613568098660352

kevcos · 20-12-2020 1:15pm

If this variant was detected in the UK as far back as April and is actually as contiguous as reported why has it taken 8 months to become rampant ?

I'm struggling to understand that.

Atlantic Dawn · 20-12-2020 1:19pm

kevcos wrote: »

If this variant was detected in the UK as far back as April and is actually as contiguous as reported why has it taken 8 months to become rampant ?

I'm struggling to understand that.

Stop asking sensible questions.

is_that_so · 20-12-2020 1:20pm

kevcos wrote: »

If this variant was detected in the UK as far back as April and is actually as contiguous as reported why has it taken 8 months to become rampant ?

I'm struggling to understand that.

Because it now seems to be a more dominant strain in the SE of England. The UK hasn't exactly been a paragon of anything during this!

landofthetree · 20-12-2020 1:20pm

kevcos wrote: »

If this variant was detected in the UK as far back as April and is actually as contiguous as reported why has it taken 8 months to become rampant ?

I'm struggling to understand that.

It's possible that all strains of Covid are highly contagious.

Studies in Korea have produced evidence that it can travel 6m.

A high-school student in South Korea became infected with COVID-19 within just five minutes of sitting 20 feet away from an infected person, a new study found.
The epidemiological team behind the study used cellphone data, video footage, genome sequencing, and even a re-creation of the situation to come to their conclusion.

Maybe this is why flu season has been practically eliminated by lockdown measures but Covid hasn't.

jam_mac_jam · 20-12-2020 1:23pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Stop asking sensible questions.

It wasn't in the UK in April. It's September.

So maybe not so sensible.

GarIT · 20-12-2020 1:26pm

landofthetree wrote: »

It's possible that all strains of Covid are highly contagious.

Studies in Korea have produced evidence that it can travel 6m.

Maybe this is why flu season has been practically eliminated by lockdown measures but Covid hasn't.

The reason COVID-19 is dangerous is because it is highly contagious, not because of lethality. Some report said this strain could be up to 70% more contagious.

Valhallapt · 20-12-2020 1:29pm

Time to stop flights. It won’t stop everyone travelling, but it’ll easy reduce the amount of new strain virus entering the country, and that will leave us better prepared to stop it spreading

GarIT · 20-12-2020 1:33pm

We should have stopped flights to the UK in march, or back when planes were invented, but the other than the missed opportunities in the past the second best time is now.

Dyr · 20-12-2020 1:36pm

The one thing I've learned from NPHET, the government, the Irish media and their cheerleaders is that we could all be confined to barracks 24/7 to prevent the spread and the planes will still be landing without any mention of us doing otherwise.

twinytwo · 20-12-2020 1:37pm

Valhallapt wrote: »

Time to stop flights. It won’t stop everyone travelling, but it’ll easy reduce the amount of new strain virus entering the country, and that will leave us better prepared to stop it spreading

Wont ever happen, Martin couldn't make a decision if his life depended on it

ZX7R · 20-12-2020 1:40pm

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

It wasn't in the UK in April. It's September.

So maybe not so sensible.

The first recorded case in the uk is in September.
The strain itself has been in existence since April.

Call me Al · 20-12-2020 1:45pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Stop asking sensible questions.

One of the slides yesterday at the SAGE press conference showed that this variant occurred in the UK in September. Not March.
So no, it's not a sensible question.

Atlantic Dawn · 20-12-2020 1:48pm

Call me Al wrote: »

One of the slides yesterday at the SAGE press conference showed that this variant occurred in the UK in September. Not March.
So no, it's not a sensible question.

Well September then, also known as 3 months ago.

Call me Al · 20-12-2020 1:53pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Well September then, also known as 3 months ago.

Exactly. 3 months is all it has taken to become the dominant strain running through the UK.

Hence their 534 reported deaths yesterday.

ZX7R · 20-12-2020 1:56pm

Call me Al wrote: »

Exactly. 3 months is all it has taken to become the dominant strain running through the UK.

Hence their 534 reported deaths yesterday.

So the 534 deaths yesterday are linked directly to the different variant.
Can you back that claim up

Kermit.de.frog · 20-12-2020 2:01pm

Germany considering a ban. France to make decision on air travel and trains later today.

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1340620100060278789

I take it the Common Travel Area will be just too sacrosanct for us as usual.

Call me Al · 20-12-2020 2:01pm

ZX7R wrote: »

So the 534 deaths yesterday are linked directly to the different variant.
Can you back that claim up

I'm not going to waste my time arguing nonsense with anyone.
Maybe take a look at the sage press conference from yesterday.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-12-2020 2:13pm

Italy...(and Israel)

https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1340639629188411393

Sir Oxman · 20-12-2020 2:15pm

Ireland need to ban those flights/ferries now.

ZX7R · 20-12-2020 2:16pm

Call me Al wrote: »

I'm not going to waste my time arguing nonsense with anyone.
Maybe take a look at the sage press conference from yesterday.

I did watch it Al
And nowhere do they directly link all the deaths to the new variant.
If you want to look at a country
In relation to the new variant look at south Africa where it is more widespread than the uk there death rate with the new variant is no worse than the rate of deaths before it was recorded

Storm 10 · 20-12-2020 2:17pm

Irish government to make a statement today on travel to the UK

GarIT · 20-12-2020 2:19pm

ZX7R wrote: »

I did watch it Al
And nowhere do they directly link all the deaths to the new variant.
If you want to look at a country
In relation to the new variant look at south Africa where it is more widespread than the uk there death rate with the new variant is no worse than the rate of deaths before it was recorded

But more people catch it.

j4vier · 20-12-2020 2:22pm

Storm 10 wrote: »

Irish government to make a statement today on travel to the UK

What's interesting is that the Irish government always acts after everyone else has acted.

They shouldn't have to wait to see Europe's response to decide what is best to do to protect Ireland

xhomelezz · 20-12-2020 2:26pm

j4vier wrote: »

What's interesting is that the Irish government always acts after everyone else has acted.

They shouldn't have to wait to see Europe's response to decide what is best to do to protect Ireland

I have a funny feeling we'll just get another advice, nothing more will be done.

Kermit.de.frog · 20-12-2020 2:30pm

Donnelly says north will be working more closely this time. I suspect a flight ban possible.

Valhallapt · 20-12-2020 2:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Just fcuking bribe arlene foster and get stormont on.board....whatever it costs,will be a fraction of what another lockdown will be

Even if Dublin flights were cancelled and Belfast was left open this would still reduce the amount of virus coming in.

We should say we can’t stop flights because of Belfast ... don’t make good the enemy of perfect

Sir Oxman · 20-12-2020 2:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Just fcuking bribe arlene foster and get stormont on.board....whatever it costs,will be a fraction of what another lockdown will be

When I say Ireland, I mean the whole of Ireland

drunkmonkey · 20-12-2020 2:47pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Donnelly says north will be working more closely this time. I suspect a flight ban possible.

Headline says strong advice, secret code for do nothing. It's a bit too late anyway, most people I know came last week.

secondrowgal · 20-12-2020 2:57pm

ZX7R wrote: »

I did watch it Al
And nowhere do they directly link all the deaths to the new variant.
If you want to look at a country
In relation to the new variant look at south Africa where it is more widespread than the uk there death rate with the new variant is no worse than the rate of deaths before it was recorded

It's not the same variant according to this SA doctor.

https://twitter.com/firefoxx66/status/1340359989395861506

The UK COVID variant

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