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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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  • #7832
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    mikekerry wrote: »
    They'll be nothing left to open in March

    Probably a few Wetherspoons i'd say..


    Stock up on booze folks: https://www.lidl.ie/en/p/big-brand-super-savers/budweiser-bulmers/p57706


  • #7833
    doublejobbing 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭doublejobbing 2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Trust me they will. They have done it every time the numbers have risen. Blaming the pubs,restaurants etc for the rise in cases when havent actually backed it up with numbers

    You know what always confuses me?

    MMR skeptics are always told by the medical establishment "correlation doesn't equal causation".

    Yet when it comes to pubs and NPHET, all they do is justify their diktats with hyperbolic pseudoscience that shows the vaguest of links between pubs reopening and cases increasing. The exact same graphs MMR skeptics use to show an alleged link between the vaccine and autism.

    It is another reason I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them. For those of you who doubt NPHET has an agenda against pubs, why are Holohan's opinions on foreign travel (the biggest driver of infection by far) little more than tacit disapproval but pubs are essentially death row?


  • #7834
    Ted_YNWA
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,802 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    fin12 wrote: »
    Looks like the pubs might be shut again before January . Tony Hulahoop wants the restrictions to come back in again before 6 January.


    Mod

    Can we avoid going down the name calling route again.

    By all means attack the advise he is providing, just don't personalise it.


  • #7835
    ShooterSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,824 ✭✭✭ShooterSF


    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    Other reports said NPHET was also after retail.

    The crowds, or lack of, in the run up to Christmas rush this year is nothing short of scary when you think of

    a- the economic hole this has already put us in

    b- the lack of tax income from Christmas shopping being scaled back this year

    I was in Blanch centre on Saturday last and there were dozens, actually dozens, of free spaces down by Liberty Insurance.

    In normal times you'd struggle to get a space on a Tuesday night that close to Christmas.

    Mehole got roasted over his bank bailout comments, surely we must be approaching a good percentage of similar debt from this already.

    I don't think you can necessarily conflate the two. I have probably spent more this xmas than the last few but all the presents I bought were online, most from Irish stores, some from the UK. A global pandemic and a restriction stopping me from going to Blanch as I live in Meath means people like myself won't be parked in Blanch when I normally would.


  • #7836
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,101 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Well folks, enjoy a few beers and some food being served up to you before Christmas...

    ...Could be March again before you'll get to go out and dine with friends...



    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/christmas-reopening-to-be-short-lived-as-nphet-seek-new-clampdown-on-home-visits-and-pubs-39875917.html

    Utterly vile reporting from the Indo's "journalists".
    The cabinet is to meet Tuesday to discuss the latest Nphet recommendations and Mr Martin added that the government would “seriously consider” the crackdown on pubs, restaurants and household visits before New Year’s Eve.

    Crackdown.

    A term used on organised crime.


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  • #7837
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    showpony1 wrote: »
    They are reducing the time the pubs will be open from 7th January - therefore absolutely everywhere will just be packed out there door for the next two weeks.

    Do well to get 2 weeks out of it .... how soon after Christmas Day will everything shut down seems to be the question now !
    Christmas Day is a Friday , Stephens day Saturday , finish up on Sunday and close everything down Monday 28th seems favourite


  • #7838
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    It is another reason I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them. For those of you who doubt NPHET has an agenda against pubs, why are Holohan's opinions on foreign travel (the biggest driver of infection by far) little more than tacit disapproval but pubs are essentially death row?

    Exactly, it was estimated that more than 60% of cases after July originated from a Spanish strain of Covid. Now it didn't sprout wing and target Ireland, this was brought back by a tourist who didn't have to self-isolate. Lax protocol there versus a handful of socially distanced punters in a local presenting imminent danger, collapse of the HSE among other uninformed hyperbole. An all too obvious double-standard becomes apparent to the lay observer. As others have pointed out, another few months of this repressive cycle will finish off many a traditional pub. Holohan and his aggressive anti-alcohol stance has no grasp of the economic fallout in rural Ireland, a lot of these essential social hubs won't survive until March. On the other hand, people can still travel from Covid hotspots importing fresh and more virulent mutations. The mind boggles.


  • #7839
    fin12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,934 ✭✭✭✭fin12


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Do well to get 2 weeks out of it .... how soon after Christmas Day will everything shut down seems to be the question now !
    Christmas Day is a Friday , Stephens day Saturday , finish up on Sunday and close everything down Monday 28th seems favourite

    They usually shut is down before a weekend. Like we only got one bank holiday weekend this year. They always take them away from us. I think we will be very lucky and I hope to get that weekend.


  • #7840
    Chaoticawk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20 ✭Chaoticawk


    We may riot.


  • #7841
    LuasSimon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Exactly, it was estimated that more than 60% of cases after July originated from a Spanish strain of Covid. Now it didn't sprout wing and target Ireland, this was brought back by a tourist who didn't have to self-isolate. Lax protocol there versus a handful of socially distanced punters in a local presenting imminent danger, collapse of the HSE among other uninformed hyperbole. An all too obvious double-standard becomes apparent to the lay observer. As others have pointed out, another few months of this repressive cycle will finish off many a traditional pub. Holohan and his aggressive anti-alcohol stance has no grasp of the economic fallout in rural Ireland, a lot of these essential social hubs won't survive until March. On the other hand, people can still travel from Covid hotspots importing fresh and more virulent mutations. The mind boggles.

    The Government will only be delighted if theres an economic fallout in rural Ireland .....Governments over the last twenty years have been doing all in their power to drive people especially the young out of rural ireland creating no jobs and closing most services....


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  • #7842
    doublejobbing 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭doublejobbing 2


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Exactly, it was estimated that more than 60% of cases after July originated from a Spanish strain of Covid. Now it didn't sprout wing and target Ireland, this was brought back by a tourist who didn't have to self-isolate. Lax protocol there versus a handful of socially distanced punters in a local presenting imminent danger, collapse of the HSE among other uninformed hyperbole. An all too obvious double-standard becomes apparent to the lay observer. As others have pointed out, another few months of this repressive cycle will finish off many a traditional pub. Holohan and his aggressive anti-alcohol stance has no grasp of the economic fallout in rural Ireland, a lot of these essential social hubs won't survive until March. On the other hand, people can still travel from Covid hotspots importing fresh and more virulent mutations. The mind boggles.

    I became seriously COVID skeptic* off the back of the bare faced lie in August/ September that foreign travel accounts for only 2 percent of cases. We did not organically get from 7 cases a day in July to 2000 per day in October- we got there when a few hundred people attended weddings in Romania and holiday homes in Andorra and came back infected.

    When Sorcha came back from Provence to Foxrock, and spread it to her hairdresser, who then spread it to her sister, who brought it to the nursing home she worked in, the 25 patients in the nursing home were not treated as having been travel related. Only Sorcha was.

    When the government is spinning lies and half truths like the above example you really do question what this whole thing is really about.


    *- I fully believe Covid exists and that vulnerable people should be protected. I do, however, believe that deaths with Covid in the body are being misrepresented as deaths from Covid as a primary cause, that the government is being deliberately obtuse about what percentage of the dead were already on deaths door in the coming weeks/ months and had no quality of life left, that the risk to the general population has been exaggerated wildly, that the media have scared us to death with stories of the handful of fit young people having long lasting after effects (something that happens EVERY YEAR with flu) and that various state bodies have been taking advantage of the emergency for their own interests.

    What sums it up for me is- the amount of professional athletes on these isles who had Covid must be near a four figure amount by now. Hundreds of footballers, rugby players, GAA players, golfers.

    Yet of all those hundreds the only one who was sick enough to actually miss game time was Jack Byrne of Rovers. Everyone else seems to simply test positive and isolate. Even a lazy sicknote like Paul Pogba was back fit as a fiddle after a fortnight.

    I don't recall a single manager three months down the line saying player X is still too croaked up to return.

    Something stinks.


  • #7843
    timeToLive
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭timeToLive


    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    When Sorcha came back from Provence to Foxrock, and spread it to her hairdresser, who then spread it to her sister, who brought it to the nursing home she worked in, the 25 patients in the nursing home were not treated as having been travel related. Only Sorcha was.


    we can see that chip on your shoulder :pac:


  • #7844
    doublejobbing 2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭doublejobbing 2


    timeToLive wrote: »
    we can see that chip on your shoulder :pac:

    It was generally this type of entitled gobshiet that seemed to give off the "I simply MUST go" vibe. Those of us more inclined to 7 nights on the lash in Benalmadena knew full well it would be no craic and had no intention of going.

    That and the Romanian clown at Dublin airport on RTE news happily telling of how he was off home to his son's wedding.

    But no. It's Larry Goodman's fault it kicked off in meat plants. Couldn't be for a second anything to do with the behavior of the staff.


  • #7845
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,249 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    If they announce on Tuesday (the 22nd) that pubs and resteraunts have to close from the 28th, that will give them 1 day to cancel orders, cancel bookings, change rosters, you're also potentially leaving staff with no income until the pup is processed, which could be a couple of weeks with the bank holidays..........

    I don't believe there's an anti alcohol agenda, but I do believe that the government is so out of touch that literally none of this has occurred to them.....


  • #7846
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,727 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Travel was and is a huge factor. Just watch the figures soar after the New Year with all that moving about.


  • #7847
    Zebra3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,101 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    If they announce on Tuesday (the 22nd) that pubs and resteraunts have to close from the 28th, that will give them 1 day to cancel orders, cancel bookings, change rosters, you're also potentially leaving staff with no income until the pup is processed, which could be a couple of weeks with the bank holidays..........

    I don't believe there's an anti alcohol agenda, but I do believe that the government is so out of touch that literally none of this has occurred to them.....

    Out of touch idiots on six figures a year, a large number whom put their PS jobs on hold to get on another taxpayer funded gravy train, have no understanding of the problems of people in the real world.


  • #7848
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Chaoticawk wrote: »
    We may riot.

    No we won`t.


  • #7849
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

    What sums it up for me is- the amount of professional athletes on these isles who had Covid must be near a four figure amount by now. Hundreds of footballers, rugby players, GAA players, golfers.

    Yet of all those hundreds the only one who was sick enough to actually miss game time was Jack Byrne of Rovers. Everyone else seems to simply test positive and isolate. Even a lazy sicknote like Paul Pogba was back fit as a fiddle after a fortnight.

    I don't recall a single manager three months down the line saying player X is still too croaked up to return.

    Something stinks.


    Are ... are you really comparing trained athletes to the average Joe and Jane? And then thinking it's a conspiracy? ("something stinks")

    Ok so

    This is now my new fav unintentional comedy thread


    tenor.gif


  • #7850
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Are ... are you really comparing trained athletes to the average Joe and Jane? And then thinking it's a conspiracy? ("something stinks")

    Ok so

    This is now my new fav unintentional comedy thread


    tenor.gif

    Average Joe I work with has tested positive. 2 weeks house arrest. Only symptom he has is extreme boredom.


  • #7851
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Average Joe I work with has tested positive. 2 weeks house arrest. Only symptom he has is extreme boredom.


    He's lucky so

    Others haven't been


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  • #7852
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,300 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    A way of life (pub life) is being destroyed (not for a certain group but all that is pushed under the carpet). December is a time for party/reflection and togetherness but were all been thrown with restrictions which very much limits the public aspect of what December should be. Obv some bad things are associated with it (12 Pubs) but for a few it was an escape and a time to enjoy the festivities.


  • #7853
    KaneToad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,698 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Average Joe I work with has tested positive. 2 weeks house arrest. Only symptom he has is extreme boredom.

    Average Joe I work with was similar. But another average Joe in an adjacent office ended up in ICU.


  • #7854
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    KaneToad wrote: »
    Average Joe I work with was similar. But another average Joe in an adjacent office ended up in ICU.


    Is he ok now?


  • #7855
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    December is a time for party/reflection and togetherness


    Yeah, that's nice and all

    But this isn't a normal December or a normal year


    Not sure what it is that people don't understand about this


  • #7856
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    He's lucky so

    Others haven't been

    Not lucky. He’s in the vast, vast, vast majority of people who have tested positive and had zero symptoms or side effects. He’d have been extremely, extremely unlucky to have gotten sick from it.


  • #7857
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Are ... are you really comparing trained athletes to the average Joe and Jane? And then thinking it's a conspiracy? ("something stinks")

    Ok so

    This is now my new fav unintentional comedy thread


    tenor.gif
    Pro athletes are the perfect testing ground for such theories as Long Covid. Their breathing and VO2 max are well recorded and logged over their lifetimes. If there was any sort of down effect it would show easily


  • #7858
    2ndcoming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭2ndcoming


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Pro athletes are the perfect testing ground for such theories as Long Covid. Their breathing and VO2 max are well recorded and logged over their lifetimes. If there was any sort of down effect it would show easily

    Pro athletes resting heart beat is 40bpm. Pro athletes have <5% body fat.

    Comparing the average person to a pro athlete is like comparing a 1986 Corolla with a brand new Merc.


  • #7859
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,300 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    2ndcoming wrote: »
    Pro athletes resting heart beat is 40bpm. Pro athletes have <5% body fat.

    Comparing the average person to a pro athlete is like comparing a 1986 Corolla with a brand new Merc.

    'sure if it wasn't for the drink id play county'


  • #7860
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,249 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    A way of life (pub life) is being destroyed (not for a certain group but all that is pushed under the carpet).

    Please elaborate what you mean by this......... Cause it's going to be hilarious


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  • #7861
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,300 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    Please elaborate what you mean by this......... Cause it's going to be hilarious

    There name starts with a 'T' and all through the lockdowns a large number of their heritage they have been breaking rules doing as they please and shoulders shrugged

    Hope you got your laugh


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