Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Dickie10

my neighbour local publican, asked him in passing when he thinks it might open again , he said VFI head man from Summerhill said wont be anything opened til mid May at the least. id say they will wait to get june bank holiday over before green light

stephenjmcd

Dickie10 wrote: »

my neighbour local publican, asked him in passing when he thinks it might open again , he said VFI head man from Summerhill said wont be anything opened til mid May at the least. id say they will wait to get june bank holiday over before green light

And like everyone else their guessing. VFI & LVA haven't a clue, they just get told by government.

Let's see how vaccine rollout goes, looking like we'll have 3 in January so that'll have a huge impact

Dickie10

Dickie10 wrote: »

my neighbour local publican, asked him in passing when he thinks it might open again , he said VFI head man from Summerhill said wont be anything opened til mid May at the least. id say they will wait to get june bank holiday over before green light

I live in the midwest, and the traditional pubs are already falling like dominoes in rural areas. The death knell is near for numerous others, five/six months down the line is miles too late. What Tony Holohan the reformed case (my opinion, sue me) is doing to thousands of livelihoods is criminal, not to mention those people that frequent these establishments for their social outlet. It's an absolute disgrace, the VFI might as well be stuffed dummies for all their influence.

Dickie10

i have asked this numerous times without answer, but surely young people , the "Club 18-30" are present and much same all over europe/western world in that they love parties, sesh and antics, like i see massive raves and clubs in the med. and germany, holland and belgium,sweden. so do the irish really behave any different to British and european with alcohol or achol consumption? do other countries seem as obssesseed about drink as irish medics etc?

redarmy

RTÉ News
@rtenews
People will be permitted to travel between counties until 7 January under plans being considered by the Government. RTÉ News understands that restaurants and bars serving food will be allowed to continue trading up until 30 December

hynesie08

redarmy wrote: »

RTÉ News
@rtenews
People will be permitted to travel between counties until 7 January under plans being considered by the Government. RTÉ News understands that restaurants and bars serving food will be allowed to continue trading up until 30 December

Midnight or close of business........

Eric Cartman

MadYaker wrote: »

What magical properties do you think pubs have that stop the virus from spreading?

Well the government seems to think that they have magical powers that exponentially make the virus spread more than christmas shopping or a school does.

Drifter50

cityboyjim wrote: »

Back in the day there was a law for the hospitality trade while stated that people OUTSIDE a three mile radius could drink all night in Pubs, but people living inside three miles had to observe closing time .On entering most Garda stations one will still see the local map on the wall with a circle outlining the three mile radius .
A way to open rural Pubs would be to allow people living INSIDE that three mile radius visit the local Bar and socialize in a responsible manner with proper guidelines in place .
The HSE should publish the location of all Covid cases .
Once a case shows with the three mile radius the Bar closes until its clear again .
It should be in the Publicans interest to police this with also daily visits from the Gardai .There should be instant closure if a Publican is found to have somebody from outside the area on the Premises .
Drinking permits should be issued to locals inside the area.
This means that people living on their own could at last have an hour of companionship .
One thing we have learned is that social interaction is just so important .Especially in rural Ireland .For town and Cities we will have to leave it to 15 per outlet indoors in a safe environment .This should have been done weeks into this .Thanks for reading .

This makes way too much sense for NPHET or the Gubberment to consider recommending this. Something like this is workable, anyone can see that except those who sit behind screens and dole out "rules"

cityboyjim

The Revenue generated would more than pay for the implementation and bring a couple of jobs back .

boombang

Just hearing from my in-laws from Letterkenny. They went out for meal in the pub with some friends on Friday evening. The had the table booked, but on arrival they found the place packed, staff not wearing any sort of mask, tables of 12, loads of people milling about. They decided it was no good and turned around and walked out despite the manager's efforts. They said no wonder Donegal is in a state if people think that's a way to run a pub at the minute.

Eric Cartman

boombang wrote: »

Just hearing from my in-laws from Letterkenny. They went out for meal in the pub with some friends on Friday evening. The had the table booked, but on arrival they found the place packed, staff not wearing any sort of mask, tables of 12, loads of people milling about. They decided it was no good and turned around and walked out despite the manager's efforts. They said no wonder Donegal is in a state if people think that's a way to run a pub at the minute.

The border counties are all behaving like that. Up the north you can tell whose southern or northern in the buttercrane centre by the mask wearing. Just dont give a fiddlers up there and in the surrounding counties here

boombang

boombang wrote: »

Just hearing from my in-laws from Letterkenny. They went out for meal in the pub with some friends on Friday evening. The had the table booked, but on arrival they found the place packed, staff not wearing any sort of mask, tables of 12, loads of people milling about. They decided it was no good and turned around and walked out despite the manager's efforts. They said no wonder Donegal is in a state if people think that's a way to run a pub at the minute.

Foul odour emanating off this post. Reminds me of your declaration the other week that people were sitting on each others' laps, all loved up in the local. You take artistic licence with the truth, hate to break it to you very few of us are buying your thinly-disguised agenda.

Eric Cartman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Foul odour emanating off this post. Reminds me of your declaration the other week that people were sitting on each others' laps, all loved up in the local. You take artistic licence with the truth, hate to break it to you very few of us are buying your thinly-disguised agenda.

If he said it was any other part of the country id agree but up there id believe it, although this ‘decided not to stay despite the manager pleading’ craic probably isnt correct.

That said those pubs sound like great craic and I thoroughly miss just being able to have a pint and not even lie about wanting food

boombang

Deleted User wrote: »

Foul odour emanating off this post. Reminds me of your declaration the other week that people were sitting on each others' laps, all loved up in the local. You take artistic licence with the truth, hate to break it to you very few of us are buying your thinly-disguised agenda.

Tell me all about my thinly veiled agenda, please. What is it?

Furthermore, I was accused of lying the other week, so in response I sent a photo of the busy pub the next evening in PM to one of my doubters. He didn't have the good grace to confirm what the photo showed.

You can deny all you like.

boombang

boombang wrote: »

Tell me all about my thinly veiled agenda, please. What is it?

Stevie Wonder could see it. Your contempt for pubs and those who frequent them is pristine clear.

boombang

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If he said it was any other part of the country id agree but up there id believe it, although this ‘decided not to stay despite the manager pleading’ craic probably isnt correct.

That said those pubs sound like great craic and I thoroughly miss just being able to have a pint and not even lie about wanting food

I am honestly not gilding the lily, that story is 100% exactly as heard over my shoulder 20 minutes ago.

boombang

Deleted User wrote: »

Stevie Wonder could see it. Your contempt for pubs and those who frequent them is pristine clear.

I'm really struggling not to be uncivil in my response. I really hate hearing somebody telling me I have contempt for my own in laws. You don't know me, you don't know my attitudes to people enjoying themselves the way they want to.

I'm posting here to disrupt the circle jerk of denial about this disease and the need to be careful. I'm not here for abuse.

doublejobbing 2

Dickie10 wrote: »

i have asked this numerous times without answer, but surely young people , the "Club 18-30" are present and much same all over europe/western world in that they love parties, sesh and antics, like i see massive raves and clubs in the med. and germany, holland and belgium,sweden. so do the irish really behave any different to British and european with alcohol or achol consumption? do other countries seem as obssesseed about drink as irish medics etc?

It's a confusing one.

According to one survey I read Spain has higher rates of cocaine and ecstasy use than we do.

Germany has Europe's most renowned clubbing city (Berlin), the Love Parade event, Oktoberfest etc.

Yet it confuses me. Most Spaniards I've come across here would be fairly refined and would find the sesh habits of the Irish quite uncouth. The idea of them sinking 14 pints in a pub all afternoon is unthinkable to me.

As for Germans, most of those I encountered in my one year spent in Australia were tight as a nun. Wouldn't buy more than two drinks on a night out. I know Berlin is good value for money but these lads, and in particular ladies, seemed far removed from doing anything fun that would cost you more than a tenner.

Perhaps they just have a higher percentage of dry ****es.

boombang

boombang wrote: »

I'm really struggling not to be uncivil in my response. I really hate hearing somebody telling me I have contempt for my own in laws. You don't know me, you don't know my attitudes to people enjoying themselves the way they want to.

I'm posting here to disrupt the circle jerk of denial about this disease and the need to be careful. I'm not here for abuse.

There you go twisting my words, where did I chastise your in-laws. A dishonest and manipulative tactic to attract mod intervention. You know all too well I'm referring to your posting history on this thread. And your "attitudes" as you describe them have been laid bare from day one here.

doublejobbing 2

Xtrail14 wrote: »

Wet pubs won’t be able to serve a pint till Easter at least.

True. I said it before the lift this time that they wouldn't allow us Paddy's Day or the closely following Easter BH.

We will be lucky to get it by Tuesday April 6th even if cases are dramatically down.

13 whole weekends. I think I'll start getting the overtime in again, feck all else to do

Eric Cartman

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

It's a confusing one.

According to one survey I read Spain has higher rates of cocaine and ecstasy use than we do.

Germany has Europe's most renowned clubbing city (Berlin), the Love Parade event, Oktoberfest etc.

Yet it confuses me. Most Spaniards I've come across here would be fairly refined and would find the sesh habits of the Irish quite uncouth. The idea of them sinking 14 pints in a pub all afternoon is unthinkable to me.

As for Germans, most of those I encountered in my one year spent in Australia were tight as a nun. Wouldn't buy more than two drinks on a night out. I know Berlin is good value for money but these lads, and in particular ladies, seemed far removed from doing anything fun that would cost you more than a tenner.

Perhaps they just have a higher percentage of dry ****es.

Ive met lots of boozy germans, go to any country where drink is cheaper for them and youll find them sh*tfaced 24/7 , they just wont spend a penny above home prices for anything. Met a german in brussels who gave up smoking for 2 weeks because the cigarettes were so expensive.

boombang

Deleted User wrote: »

There you go twisting my words, where did I chastise your in-laws. A dishonest and manipulative tactic to attract mod intervention. You know all too well I'm referring to your posting history on this thread. And your "attitudes" as you describe them have been laid bare from day one here.

It's not at all a twisting of your words in the least. You're telling me I have contempt for the people who frequent pubs, which clearly from the story includes my in-laws.

ShamNNspace

I found a lot of Germans especially the northerners would never entertain the spontaneity of a chance session, everything had to be planned in advance, there wouldn't be much "waiting on for a few" when the allotted time had elapsed, the Bavarians were a bit more relaxed timewise imv... The chance unplanned session can be a thing of great beauty and these are the ones we remember as we grow older

PTH2009

Publicans and restraunters really need to stand up for themselves and demand they be allowed open.

There been singled out this time more than ever while shopping centres, entertainment venues and churches are been left stay open.

Thats me

PTH2009 wrote: »

Publicans and restraunters really need to stand up for themselves and demand they be allowed open.

LOL

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Publicans and restraunters really need to stand up for themselves and demand they be allowed open

There been singled out this time more than ever while shopping centres, entertainment venues and churches are been left stay open.

And when they're told no???

Richard Hillman

Non essential retail looks to be left open whilst pubs shut down.

I work in a large non essential retail establishment which has been very busy over the last month and will be in January too. Social distancing is impossible. They cannot possibly tell me that pubs are worse than this. They cannot possibly tell us that there isn't an ulterior motive.

Zebra3

Richard Hillman wrote: »

They cannot possibly tell us that there isn't an ulterior motive.

They can and they will.

Dickie10

ShamNNspace wrote: »

I found a lot of Germans especially the northerners would never entertain the spontaneity of a chance session, everything had to be planned in advance, there wouldn't be much "waiting on for a few" when the allotted time had elapsed, the Bavarians were a bit more relaxed timewise imv... The chance unplanned session can be a thing of great beauty and these are the ones we remember as we grow older

yea very strange , you would think someone must be going to keep clubs and festivals going in those countries. I would imagine British people are similar to irish in drinking habits? eastern europe prob totally different? so begs the question are european medics as puritan about drink as out gang?

Is there more to it? are our medics kind of nerd types who wouldnt have been the popular kids in school so they get there revenge in now. You always get the idea theres a certain cohort of 17-25 who dont ever have the social skills to enjoy imrpomtu sesh or sit in a pub drinking pints and putting the world to rights of a an evening. As a teacher Im always fascinated with the varying social skills of students when the get into 16-17 age bracket. Some are really quiet and withdrawn others could say mass!

boombang

I know some vehemently disagree, but I think many will look on this comparison and conclude Tony and co took us down the right path.