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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

fortwilliam

Aaaaaaaah ballax!

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0715/1153499-politics-cabinet/

I get it, I really do, but why the focus on pubs?
I got a haircut today in the Grafton Barber where a nice barber cut my hair with no social distancing (Completely within guidance)
I just don't get the focus on the boozer...

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LuasSimon

showpony1 wrote: »

They are reducing the time the pubs will be open from 7th January - therefore absolutely everywhere will just be packed out there door for the next two weeks.

Do well to get 2 weeks out of it .... how soon after Christmas Day will everything shut down seems to be the question now !
Christmas Day is a Friday , Stephens day Saturday , finish up on Sunday and close everything down Monday 28th seems favourite

[Deleted User]

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

It is another reason I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them. For those of you who doubt NPHET has an agenda against pubs, why are Holohan's opinions on foreign travel (the biggest driver of infection by far) little more than tacit disapproval but pubs are essentially death row?

Exactly, it was estimated that more than 60% of cases after July originated from a Spanish strain of Covid. Now it didn't sprout wing and target Ireland, this was brought back by a tourist who didn't have to self-isolate. Lax protocol there versus a handful of socially distanced punters in a local presenting imminent danger, collapse of the HSE among other uninformed hyperbole. An all too obvious double-standard becomes apparent to the lay observer. As others have pointed out, another few months of this repressive cycle will finish off many a traditional pub. Holohan and his aggressive anti-alcohol stance has no grasp of the economic fallout in rural Ireland, a lot of these essential social hubs won't survive until March. On the other hand, people can still travel from Covid hotspots importing fresh and more virulent mutations. The mind boggles.

fin12

LuasSimon wrote: »

Do well to get 2 weeks out of it .... how soon after Christmas Day will everything shut down seems to be the question now !
Christmas Day is a Friday , Stephens day Saturday , finish up on Sunday and close everything down Monday 28th seems favourite

They usually shut is down before a weekend. Like we only got one bank holiday weekend this year. They always take them away from us. I think we will be very lucky and I hope to get that weekend.

Chaoticawk

We may riot.

LuasSimon

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly, it was estimated that more than 60% of cases after July originated from a Spanish strain of Covid. Now it didn't sprout wing and target Ireland, this was brought back by a tourist who didn't have to self-isolate. Lax protocol there versus a handful of socially distanced punters in a local presenting imminent danger, collapse of the HSE among other uninformed hyperbole. An all too obvious double-standard becomes apparent to the lay observer. As others have pointed out, another few months of this repressive cycle will finish off many a traditional pub. Holohan and his aggressive anti-alcohol stance has no grasp of the economic fallout in rural Ireland, a lot of these essential social hubs won't survive until March. On the other hand, people can still travel from Covid hotspots importing fresh and more virulent mutations. The mind boggles.

The Government will only be delighted if theres an economic fallout in rural Ireland .....Governments over the last twenty years have been doing all in their power to drive people especially the young out of rural ireland creating no jobs and closing most services....

doublejobbing 2

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly, it was estimated that more than 60% of cases after July originated from a Spanish strain of Covid. Now it didn't sprout wing and target Ireland, this was brought back by a tourist who didn't have to self-isolate. Lax protocol there versus a handful of socially distanced punters in a local presenting imminent danger, collapse of the HSE among other uninformed hyperbole. An all too obvious double-standard becomes apparent to the lay observer. As others have pointed out, another few months of this repressive cycle will finish off many a traditional pub. Holohan and his aggressive anti-alcohol stance has no grasp of the economic fallout in rural Ireland, a lot of these essential social hubs won't survive until March. On the other hand, people can still travel from Covid hotspots importing fresh and more virulent mutations. The mind boggles.

I became seriously COVID skeptic* off the back of the bare faced lie in August/ September that foreign travel accounts for only 2 percent of cases. We did not organically get from 7 cases a day in July to 2000 per day in October- we got there when a few hundred people attended weddings in Romania and holiday homes in Andorra and came back infected.

When Sorcha came back from Provence to Foxrock, and spread it to her hairdresser, who then spread it to her sister, who brought it to the nursing home she worked in, the 25 patients in the nursing home were not treated as having been travel related. Only Sorcha was.

When the government is spinning lies and half truths like the above example you really do question what this whole thing is really about.

*- I fully believe Covid exists and that vulnerable people should be protected. I do, however, believe that deaths with Covid in the body are being misrepresented as deaths from Covid as a primary cause, that the government is being deliberately obtuse about what percentage of the dead were already on deaths door in the coming weeks/ months and had no quality of life left, that the risk to the general population has been exaggerated wildly, that the media have scared us to death with stories of the handful of fit young people having long lasting after effects (something that happens EVERY YEAR with flu) and that various state bodies have been taking advantage of the emergency for their own interests.

What sums it up for me is- the amount of professional athletes on these isles who had Covid must be near a four figure amount by now. Hundreds of footballers, rugby players, GAA players, golfers.

Yet of all those hundreds the only one who was sick enough to actually miss game time was Jack Byrne of Rovers. Everyone else seems to simply test positive and isolate. Even a lazy sicknote like Paul Pogba was back fit as a fiddle after a fortnight.

I don't recall a single manager three months down the line saying player X is still too croaked up to return.

Something stinks.

timeToLive

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

When Sorcha came back from Provence to Foxrock, and spread it to her hairdresser, who then spread it to her sister, who brought it to the nursing home she worked in, the 25 patients in the nursing home were not treated as having been travel related. Only Sorcha was.

we can see that chip on your shoulder :pac:

doublejobbing 2

timeToLive wrote: »

we can see that chip on your shoulder :pac:

It was generally this type of entitled gobshiet that seemed to give off the "I simply MUST go" vibe. Those of us more inclined to 7 nights on the lash in Benalmadena knew full well it would be no craic and had no intention of going.

That and the Romanian clown at Dublin airport on RTE news happily telling of how he was off home to his son's wedding.

But no. It's Larry Goodman's fault it kicked off in meat plants. Couldn't be for a second anything to do with the behavior of the staff.

hynesie08

If they announce on Tuesday (the 22nd) that pubs and resteraunts have to close from the 28th, that will give them 1 day to cancel orders, cancel bookings, change rosters, you're also potentially leaving staff with no income until the pup is processed, which could be a couple of weeks with the bank holidays..........

I don't believe there's an anti alcohol agenda, but I do believe that the government is so out of touch that literally none of this has occurred to them.....

saabsaab

Travel was and is a huge factor. Just watch the figures soar after the New Year with all that moving about.

Zebra3

hynesie08 wrote: »

If they announce on Tuesday (the 22nd) that pubs and resteraunts have to close from the 28th, that will give them 1 day to cancel orders, cancel bookings, change rosters, you're also potentially leaving staff with no income until the pup is processed, which could be a couple of weeks with the bank holidays..........

I don't believe there's an anti alcohol agenda, but I do believe that the government is so out of touch that literally none of this has occurred to them.....

Out of touch idiots on six figures a year, a large number whom put their PS jobs on hold to get on another taxpayer funded gravy train, have no understanding of the problems of people in the real world.

John O.Groats

Chaoticawk wrote: »

We may riot.

No we won`t.

ShineOn7

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

What sums it up for me is- the amount of professional athletes on these isles who had Covid must be near a four figure amount by now. Hundreds of footballers, rugby players, GAA players, golfers.

Yet of all those hundreds the only one who was sick enough to actually miss game time was Jack Byrne of Rovers. Everyone else seems to simply test positive and isolate. Even a lazy sicknote like Paul Pogba was back fit as a fiddle after a fortnight.

I don't recall a single manager three months down the line saying player X is still too croaked up to return.

Something stinks.

Are ... are you really comparing trained athletes to the average Joe and Jane? And then thinking it's a conspiracy? ("something stinks")

Ok so

This is now my new fav unintentional comedy thread

weldoninhio

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Are ... are you really comparing trained athletes to the average Joe and Jane? And then thinking it's a conspiracy? ("something stinks")

Ok so

This is now my new fav unintentional comedy thread

Average Joe I work with has tested positive. 2 weeks house arrest. Only symptom he has is extreme boredom.

ShineOn7

weldoninhio wrote: »

Average Joe I work with has tested positive. 2 weeks house arrest. Only symptom he has is extreme boredom.

He's lucky so

Others haven't been

PTH2009

A way of life (pub life) is being destroyed (not for a certain group but all that is pushed under the carpet). December is a time for party/reflection and togetherness but were all been thrown with restrictions which very much limits the public aspect of what December should be. Obv some bad things are associated with it (12 Pubs) but for a few it was an escape and a time to enjoy the festivities.

KaneToad

weldoninhio wrote: »

Average Joe I work with has tested positive. 2 weeks house arrest. Only symptom he has is extreme boredom.

Average Joe I work with was similar. But another average Joe in an adjacent office ended up in ICU.

ShineOn7

KaneToad wrote: »

Average Joe I work with was similar. But another average Joe in an adjacent office ended up in ICU.

Is he ok now?

ShineOn7

PTH2009 wrote: »

December is a time for party/reflection and togetherness

Yeah, that's nice and all

But this isn't a normal December or a normal year

Not sure what it is that people don't understand about this

weldoninhio

ShineOn7 wrote: »

He's lucky so

Others haven't been

Not lucky. He’s in the vast, vast, vast majority of people who have tested positive and had zero symptoms or side effects. He’d have been extremely, extremely unlucky to have gotten sick from it.

Richard Hillman

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Are ... are you really comparing trained athletes to the average Joe and Jane? And then thinking it's a conspiracy? ("something stinks")

Ok so

This is now my new fav unintentional comedy thread

Pro athletes are the perfect testing ground for such theories as Long Covid. Their breathing and VO2 max are well recorded and logged over their lifetimes. If there was any sort of down effect it would show easily

2ndcoming

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Pro athletes are the perfect testing ground for such theories as Long Covid. Their breathing and VO2 max are well recorded and logged over their lifetimes. If there was any sort of down effect it would show easily

Pro athletes resting heart beat is 40bpm. Pro athletes have <5% body fat.

Comparing the average person to a pro athlete is like comparing a 1986 Corolla with a brand new Merc.

PTH2009

2ndcoming wrote: »

Pro athletes resting heart beat is 40bpm. Pro athletes have <5% body fat.

Comparing the average person to a pro athlete is like comparing a 1986 Corolla with a brand new Merc.

'sure if it wasn't for the drink id play county'

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

A way of life (pub life) is being destroyed (not for a certain group but all that is pushed under the carpet).

Please elaborate what you mean by this......... Cause it's going to be hilarious

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

Please elaborate what you mean by this......... Cause it's going to be hilarious

There name starts with a 'T' and all through the lockdowns a large number of their heritage they have been breaking rules doing as they please and shoulders shrugged

Hope you got your laugh

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

There name starts with a 'T' and all through the lockdowns a large number of their heritage they have been breaking rules doing as they please and shoulders shrugged

Hope you got your laugh

Teachers?
Tourists?
Teenagers?

ShineOn7

weldoninhio wrote: »

Not lucky. He’s in the vast, vast, vast majority of people who have tested positive and had zero symptoms or side effects. He’d have been extremely, extremely unlucky to have gotten sick from it.

The latest asymptomatic % is at 18% (source: king of analysts; John Campbell). That isn't the vast, vast, vast majority

People need to stop dribbling out this "but 99.87654% are ok!" nonsense

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

Teachers?
Tourists?
Teenagers?

pretty close, not all bad but a few much it

ShineOn7

hynesie08 wrote: »

Please elaborate what you mean by this......... Cause it's going to be hilarious

His life was destroyed because the pubs are closed

Let the man speak ffs ;-)

Big Back Clock

ShineOn7 wrote: »

His life was destroyed because the pubs are closed

Let the man speak ffs ;-)

There were spikes during lockdown periods where no gastropubs or cafe/restaurants were open.

It’s because people are going about their normal lives. As will happen in January even with everything closed.

As if young people aren’t going to congregate . House gatherings etc are happening and will continue to.

I can see it already today, everyone now knows that in the north / down here New Years eve is very likely going to be spent at home.

So the roll out of makeshift bars in peoples’ homes and garages has begun, the buying of kegs, mass buying of alcohol.

You can’t stop human nature.

To be honest I’d side with those who say the restaurants and gastropubs are more controlled. God knows how many “spikes” there will be all across the country because of mass gatherings at private residences and holiday homes from now until the new year.

I was in Dublin city centre last weekend in one gastropub on Saturday evening followed by another restaurant/pub. Very very controlled and all rules adhered to. People wearing masks when they left their tables.

It’s all absolute nonsense. It’s like the lad with his finger in the dam trying to stop the leak