Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

JDD · 11-12-2020 08:12PM

I wonder how many parents will send their children in on Monday. Not many. Probably only those that really need to send them in because of work commitments. At least if there's only four or five kids per class the chances of the teachers catching anything plummets - which is half the reason the principal closed the school I expect. The teachers have no choice but to go in if the school is open.

spookwoman · 11-12-2020 08:14PM

Jim_Hodge · 11-12-2020 08:32PM

eagle eye wrote: »

There's a lot of trials, the information is available for review.

You just don't seem to accept that the trials were small and limited and not what is required in Europe for licencing a change in usage. And, again, it will take time. More time than you eluded to previously when asserting there's no need for the vaccine and that the kids can now safely go to school. Those posts all disappeared but we do recall the content.

The CDC is irrelevant to our licencing.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 08:38PM

Jim_Hodge wrote:

You just don't seem to accept that the trials were small and limited and not what is required in Europe for licencing a change in usage. And, again, it will take time. More time than you eluded to previously when asserting there's no need for the vaccine and that the kids can now safely go to school. Those posts all disappeared but we do recall the content.

What is required in Europe? How many trials were there on the German/Pfizer vaccine?

bodhrandude · 11-12-2020 08:38PM

is_that_so wrote: »

That Mayo school has been told to reopen on Monday.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1211/1183847-mayo-school-to-close-for-christmas-amid-covid-concerns/

I hope the school defies their order.

pjohnson · 11-12-2020 08:39PM

Ah christ is it back to the expert brother curing covid again ffs.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 08:42PM

pjohnson wrote:

Ah christ is it back to the expert brother curing covid again ffs.

Nobody ever made that claim.

polesheep · 11-12-2020 08:53PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Nobody ever made that claim.

If anyone could cure Covid it would be 'The brother'. ;-)

niallo27 · 11-12-2020 08:54PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Nobody ever made that claim.

You said the pandemic was over few days ago because of this drug.

speckle · 11-12-2020 08:57PM

So I had a look on the US gov clinical trial info site and found 5 clinical trials with over 1000 participants in different countrys for anyones preusal.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=ivermectin&cond=Covid19&recrs=e&age_548%20v=&gndr=&type=&rslt=With&Search=Apply

Regarding the solidarity trials they were a first time wonder born of necessity and still continue with new treatments being added but trials in many ways by the looks of it are going back to the olde normal plodding.. sometimes thankless detailed research. Though I hope the freedom access to data continues.. that would be a good thing to come out of this year.

Now I have to go and relax as this, following paper which you can download as a pdf made my headache while trying to read it. Its on genetic links regarding severe covid.. peer reviewed passed dec 11th. Be my guest and have a gawk if that is up you tree of interest

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03065-y

pjohnson · 11-12-2020 09:06PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Nobody ever made that claim.

You were claiming the pandemic was over and kids were back to school Monday.

Charles Babbage · 11-12-2020 09:18PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

If you read the quotes in the post you quoted.

Nisra.

Euromomo doesn't seem to quite capture this, not sure what is going on there.

However, it is a bit dramatic to describe NI as one of the worst in the world. It is less than Scotland or England, which in turn is less than the likes of Belgium and excess deaths are much higher in some other countries where Covid record keeping is not good.

Polar101 · 11-12-2020 09:18PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Now that Listowel is under control, Kerry has the second-lowest incidence, behind only Leitrim

What happened in Listowel?

podgeandrodge · 11-12-2020 09:19PM

Renjit wrote: »

I will skip on mayo this week. Ketchup it is now.

I thanked your post. But I want to be clear that it was a sympathy thanks!

ShyMets · 11-12-2020 09:29PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Nobody ever made that claim.

You said the Pandemic was over. You've being called out for posting nonsense and you can't even admit it

Jim_Hodge · 11-12-2020 09:42PM

speckle wrote: »

So I had a look on the US gov clinical trial info site and found 5 clinical trials with over 1000 participants in different countrys for anyones preusal.

https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=ivermectin&cond=Covid19&recrs=e&age_548%20v=&gndr=&type=&rslt=With&Search=Apply

Regarding the solidarity trials they were a first time wonder born of necessity and still continue with new treatments being added but trials in many ways by the looks of it are going back to the olde normal plodding.. sometimes thankless detailed research. Though I hope the freedom access to data continues.. that would be a good thing to come out of this year.

Now I have to go and relax as this, following paper which you can download as a pdf made my headache while trying to read it. Its on genetic links regarding severe covid.. peer reviewed passed dec 11th. Be my guest and have a gawk if that is up you tree of interest

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03065-y

I got tired rereading those so give up on the third one, but they were ranging from 135 to 400 participants. Not nearly enough.

Jim_Hodge · 11-12-2020 09:44PM

eagle eye wrote: »

What is required in Europe? How many trials were there on the German/Pfizer vaccine?

Have a read up on the Pfizer trials. The brother should be able to tell you as he's so informed.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 09:47PM

ShyMets wrote:

You said the Pandemic was over. You've being called out for posting nonsense and you can't even admit it

What nonsense did I post? I'm happy that it's going to be at an end very shortly. This drug works, there's multiple clinical trials showing that it works, I've posted links from different countries all claiming it works.
It's all about getting it approved for use now. With the state a lot of countries and the high number of deaths in many it has to be given special approval. Everybody that dies today, tomorrow and going forward could possibly have been saved if they were given the choice to take this treatment.
If I contract the virus and have any problems I'll be taking it.

Jim_Hodge · 11-12-2020 10:05PM

eagle eye wrote: »

What nonsense did I post? I'm happy that it's going to be at an end very shortly. This drug works, there's multiple clinical trials showing that it works, I've posted links from different countries all claiming it works.
It's all about getting it approved for use now. With the state a lot of countries and the high number of deaths in many it has to be given special approval. Everybody that dies today, tomorrow and going forward could possibly have been saved if they were given the choice to take this treatment.
If I contract the virus and have any problems I'll be taking it.

You won't be taking it under any legal medical supervision. It's actually quite absurd to just state you'll take it.

Unfortunately your claims for this drug, last night, are all mysteriously wiped so your claims can be denied, but we do have recall on our side.
The Bangladeshi and Argentinian tests in particular are on a tiny number of patients and with little or no previous underlying issues and the Iraqi trials are suspect at best.

11-12-2020 10:18PM

This is just bonkers. I can't see Ivermectin approved for use in this country anytime soon. Surely if there was even a hint of that possibility we'd have heard of it.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 10:42PM

Jim_Hodge wrote:

Have a read up on the Pfizer trials. The brother should be able to tell you as he's so informed.

I asked you seeing as you are putting yourself forward as an expert on what it takes for a drug to get approved.

Jim_Hodge · 11-12-2020 10:46PM

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eagle eye wrote: »

I asked you seeing as you are putting yourself forward as an expert on what it takes for a drug to get approved.

Look, don't try turning it around by not answering the simple questions put to you first. You know rightly tests take time but YOU said this drug was imminent.
It's pointless engaging with you as you just ignore what doesn't suit you, pick what does suit, blindly assume without any facts and deny clear statements you made when caught out in them.

I'm done

#IGNORE.

seamus · 11-12-2020 10:48PM

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32506-6/fulltext

It looks like the short answer is if that someone appears at the GP with a cough and is prescribed Ivermectin, it might help prevent the symptoms getting worse. If you're in hospital or ICU, forget about it.

*might*

If it pulls through, it's certainly good if people go to the GP, but it's very far from game over.

caveat emptor · 11-12-2020 11:09PM

Well what about sweden? If only we opened up.......
https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1337415391493017600?s=20

pjohnson · 11-12-2020 11:13PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You won't be taking it under any legal medical supervision. It's actually quite absurd to just state you'll take it.

Unfortunately your claims for this drug, last night, are all mysteriously wiped so your claims can be denied, but we do have recall on our side.
The Bangladeshi and Argentinian tests in particular are on a tiny number of patients and with little or no previous underlying issues and the Iraqi trials are suspect at best.

Ah now he said he'll DEMAND it

majcos · 11-12-2020 11:30PM

HSE operations report 11/12 as of 8pm

187 Covid cases hospitalised - decrease from 198

34 ICU Covid cases decrease from 35
Ventilated - 18 - unchanged.
Available ICU beds 29
1 death in ICU last 24 hours

Zebra3 · 12-12-2020 12:51AM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Well what about sweden? If only we opened up.......
https://twitter.com/zorinaq/status/1337415391493017600?s=20

This may come as a surprise to you, but large areas of our nation are not based within the Arctic Circle where it's below zero all day.

Aside from that, how happier are Swedes that they didn't have to put up with our nonsense here when the weather was good, and how much have they borrowed compared to us this year?

MM claimed on 15 September that we would be living with the virus. This hasn't happened.

political analyst · 12-12-2020 12:53AM

This short article was published on 27 September 1996.

https://www.nytimes.com/1996/09/27/us/new-flu-strain-is-out.html

A much more dangerous strain of the flu virus than those seen last year will be circulating this flu season, Federal health officials said today.

The Type A-Wuhan virus, which can lead to deadly complications in the elderly, is the most dangerous of three viruses expected around the nation. The others are Type A-Texas and Type B, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said today.

The current flu vaccine counteracts all three.

How bad the flu season will be is hard to predict, said Nancy Arden of the National Center for Infectious Diseases at the centers. But Ms. Arden warned, ''The more viruses like Wuhan, the more people die.''

Ficheall · 12-12-2020 01:14AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Aside from that, how happier are Swedes that they didn't have to put up with our nonsense here when the weather was good, and how much have they borrowed compared to us this year?

They've had about as many deaths as we've had cases in the last month, though. I can't believe people are still pushing the "But look at Sweden.." shtick.

podgeandrodge · 12-12-2020 01:34AM

eagle eye wrote: »

What nonsense did I post? I'm happy that it's going to be at an end very shortly. This drug works, there's multiple clinical trials showing that it works, I've posted links from different countries all claiming it works.
It's all about getting it approved for use now. With the state a lot of countries and the high number of deaths in many it has to be given special approval. Everybody that dies today, tomorrow and going forward could possibly have been saved if they were given the choice to take this treatment.
If I contract the virus and have any problems I'll be taking it.

But it isn't there to take. I really don't understand how you are treating this as if a new product has just become available. If it works great, but you are changing your actions today based on something that is not available today?

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You won't be taking it under any legal medical supervision. It's actually quite absurd to just state you'll take it.

Unfortunately your claims for this drug, last night, are all mysteriously wiped so your claims can be denied, but we do have recall on our side.

How did the posts all go? Completely side issue but you can't delete your own posts can you? And Eagle is not in any way trying to pretend he didn't say anything in those posts, so how did they disappear?

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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