Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

is_that_so · 11-12-2020 06:43PM

speckle wrote: »

Well as a drug it has a good historical base to start from the australian one didnot. HCQ is another kettle of mixed results and some flawed trials but yet may still be of a minority use. So you are not comparing like with like. But yes you are correct alot of things can happen on the road to aprroval but it is absolutely too early to knock it on its head as the trial data is looking good so far.

Alot of people understandbly are very happy with the good news part regarding vaccines but we cannot lose sight of searching for even more effective treatments as the vaccines may not cover all eventualitys. I look ahead always how about you?

Should we loose sight of those who are vaccine non responders or those who cannot take them due to their immune systems or pregnancy status at the moment or older people who may mount a good enough response?

Nobody has knocked it on the head. At best they have said do proper clinical trials to see.

DOCARCH · 11-12-2020 06:45PM

313 new cases.

3 additional deaths.

is_that_so · 11-12-2020 06:49PM

70 of the cases were in Dublin, 31 were in Mayo, 21 were in Kilkenny, 19 were in Donegal, 18 were in Laois and the remaining 154 cases are spread across 19 other counties.
Mayo is new to bigger numbers, what's happening there?

brisan · 11-12-2020 06:49PM

DOCARCH wrote: »

313 new cases.

3 additional deaths.

Were the deaths in the last 24hrs or the last 24 days

is_that_so · 11-12-2020 06:52PM

brisan wrote: »

Were the deaths in the last 24hrs or the last 24 days

They were notified in the last 24 hours, as they always are. When they occurred often comes later.

Stheno · 11-12-2020 06:56PM

is_that_so wrote: »

70 of the cases were in Dublin, 31 were in Mayo, 21 were in Kilkenny, 19 were in Donegal, 18 were in Laois and the remaining 154 cases are spread across 19 other counties.
Mayo is new to bigger numbers, what's happening there?

Outbreaks in a school in Laois and Mayo both of which closed today

12 out of 125 students in the school in Mayotested positive

ElJeffe · 11-12-2020 06:56PM

brisan wrote: »

Were the deaths in the last 24hrs or the last 24 days

What difference does that make?

R.I.P to them all

An Ciarraioch · 11-12-2020 06:57PM

is_that_so wrote: »

70 of the cases were in Dublin, 31 were in Mayo, 21 were in Kilkenny, 19 were in Donegal, 18 were in Laois and the remaining 154 cases are spread across 19 other counties.
Mayo is new to bigger numbers, what's happening there?

Now that Listowel is under control, Kerry has the second-lowest incidence, behind only Leitrim:

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/2069d-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-friday-11-december/

speckle · 11-12-2020 06:58PM

For those who would like to peruse some of the early trial data on Ivermectin and see what they think good or bad. Some links

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32506-6/fulltext

https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-100956/v1

Some news
https://www.healio.com/news/primary-care/20201208/this-was-a-gift-to-us-ivermectin-effective-for-covid19-prophylaxis-treatment

And a review of data so far.. click on pdf and read through for links to other studys... note as they say themselves some studys still preprints

THE THERAPEUTIC POTENTIAL OF IVERMECTIN FOR COVID-19: A SYSTEMATIC REVIEW OF MECHANISMS AND EVIDENCE

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.30.20236570v1

Jim_Hodge · 11-12-2020 07:00PM

eagle eye wrote: »

As I mentioned earlier, Lorry claims to have 20 different studies including more than 10 randomised controlled clinical trials.

I truly believe they'll get a compassionate use authorisation in the US in a matter of weeks. Things are horrendous over there right now, they can't just ignore this.
If they do get authorisation over there it won't be long before it's an option everywhere.

The authorisation in the US would have no bearing whatsoever on it's licencing here.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 07:01PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

The authorisation in the US would have no bearing whatsoever on it's licencing here.

If it's proven to be working it would.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 07:02PM

I don't know if this was posted, may have missed it. The Mayo publican with the rapid testing was arrested.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/mayo-publican-arrested-for-alleged-breach-of-rules-after-rapid-covid-19-test-1.4434145%3fmode=amp

vienne86 · 11-12-2020 07:02PM

Anybody got a link to the county breakdown?

Jim_Hodge · 11-12-2020 07:03PM

vienne86 wrote: »

Anybody got a link to the county breakdown?

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/2069d-statement-from-the-national-public-health-emergency-team-friday-11-december/

Zebra3 · 11-12-2020 07:04PM

Enjoy the weekend pints, folks.

Be careful though!!!

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Jim_Hodge · 11-12-2020 07:07PM

eagle eye wrote: »

If it's proven to be working it would.

No it would not. Only after large scale clinical tests and proper licencing applications would it even be considered. Tests to date were far too small.

You can assume all you like but it has to go through proper channels.

manofwisdom · 11-12-2020 07:22PM

Hospitalisations fall under 200 for the first time since 10th of October.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 07:23PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

No it would not. Only after large scale clinical tests and proper licencing applications would it even be considered. Tests to date were far too small.

You can assume all you like but it has to go through proper channels.

This is an old drug, 40 years old with FTA approval for both animal and human use.
We have vaccines using substances never used before which have been approved very quickly.
I don't think it would take very long.

How many trials are enough in your estimation?

is_that_so · 11-12-2020 07:24PM

Stheno wrote: »

Outbreaks in a school in Laois and Mayo both of which closed today

12 out of 125 students in the school in Mayotested positive

That Mayo school has been told to reopen on Monday.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1211/1183847-mayo-school-to-close-for-christmas-amid-covid-concerns/

Jim_Hodge · 11-12-2020 07:26PM

eagle eye wrote: »

This is an old drug, 40 years old with FTA approval for both animal and human use.
We have vaccines using substances never used before which have been approved very quickly.
I don't think it would take very long.

You think and don't think plenty but the fact remains that it has to be properly tested and approved for particular use. It's current approval is very specific for very Good reasons.
You can keep harping in about it being quick but, while it could be quicker than of old, it will still take time. It won't be approved before your kids are back at school and not before the vaccine licencing.

Stheno · 11-12-2020 07:27PM

is_that_so wrote: »

That Mayo school has been told to reopen on Monday.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1211/1183847-mayo-school-to-close-for-christmas-amid-covid-concerns/

With a 10 percent positivity rate and high rates per 100k in the community thats bananas

is_that_so · 11-12-2020 07:27PM

eagle eye wrote: »

This is an old drug, 40 years old with FTA approval for both animal and human use.
We have vaccines using substances never used before which have been approved very quickly.
I don't think it would take very long.

How many trials are enough in your estimation?

It is safe but approved for certain uses. Trials are needed to show that it can be recommended for effective COVID treatment.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 07:31PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

You think and don't think plenty but the fact remains that it has to be properly tested and approved for particular use. It's current approval is very specific for very Good reasons.
You can keep harping in about it being quick but, while it could be quicker than of old, it will still take time. It won't be approved before your kids are back at school and not before the vaccine licencing.

You are talking in very general terms there and not pointing out how many trials are required or giving an estimation of how long you think it will take.
What's proper testing? CDC not good enough? This is what they are looking for now. They want them to review all the trials and hopefully then move forward.

eagle eye · 11-12-2020 07:32PM

is_that_so wrote: »

It is safe but approved for certain uses. Trials are needed to show that it can be recommended for effective COVID treatment.

There's a lot of trials, the information is available for review.

is_that_so · 11-12-2020 07:38PM

eagle eye wrote: »

There's a lot of trials, the information is available for review.

Not from what I've read. No large scale trials like they did with the Solidarity Trial. That's really what you need to see. I find it interesting that a lot of these claims come out of the US where they have been less than useless in dealing with this, they really look like Hail Marys and they seem desperate to try anything. Now if it is shown to work and done in the correct way, that will be good news but we're not there yet!

podgeandrodge · 11-12-2020 07:48PM

eagle eye wrote: »

There's a lot of trials, the information is available for review.

But surely you accept that it is simply impossible that it will be available for you by the time your kids go back to school next week?

On that basis, why are you taking this risk? (I say this as you've been clear in the past that you see this as an unacceptable risk to you)

11-12-2020 07:49PM

Stheno wrote: »

With a 10 percent positivity rate and high rates per 100k in the community thats bananas

It’s f***ing insane. It’s just because the department don’t want to set a precedent and they’re prepared to put health at risk to do so

ShyMets · 11-12-2020 07:51PM

eagle eye wrote: »

There's a lot of trials, the information is available for review.

But what does your Brother, the Scientist, who told you of this miracle drug, think. Enquiring minds want to know

prunudo · 11-12-2020 07:53PM

Stheno wrote: »

With a 10 percent positivity rate and high rates per 100k in the community thats bananas

I wonder will many parents keep their children home next week. I know I would be giving it serious consideration.

Renjit · 11-12-2020 07:56PM

is_that_so wrote: »

That Mayo school has been told to reopen on Monday.

https://www.rte.ie/news/education/2020/1211/1183847-mayo-school-to-close-for-christmas-amid-covid-concerns/

I will skip on mayo this week. Ketchup it is now.

Covid 19 Part XXIX-85,394 ROI(2,200 deaths) 62,723 NI (1,240 deaths) (26/12) Read OP

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